A
aniello
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We do not encounter Paul until Acts 7. By that time the earliest of the congregations had been established with believing Jews and some gentiles.
So, what did these folks believe and were their beliefs salvific? Pre-Pauline, please, pretty puhleeze. As Jews what did these first of the first Messianic congregations believe and was it saving belief?
We need to know, from your alls colligated knowledge base, what the very earliest expression of faith was and their practices, their orthodoxy and orthopraxy, if indeed they had any.
My wife and I still visit the MJ congregation we were part of establishing 32 years ago, but, being Jews we have returned to a more traditional Jewish Shul fellowship, sort of "ConservOdox", as the nearest actual modern Orthodox Shul is around 100 miles away. Our old MJ church and the 3 or 4 breakaways from it have become mired down in basically what we view as gentile originated caricaturization of what they think is Jewish. Sad. There are few actual Jews in any of them anymore. In our ConservoDox group there are others who are from the original MJ church as well as some traditional Jews who have become believers in Yeshua also.
We need to know so as to have more than just our own mere opinions on what and how to discuss things.
Also, on Sundays, my wife and I share the Word with some of my native relatives on a reservation north of here. They have come out of RCC and we have had to deconstruct the Augustin, Constantine back to Ignatius of Antioch-ism to get them back to a Bible based faith. Sola scriptura? Because of the wreckage that CatholoProtestant-ism has wraught upon these people you have to eradicate the deadly disease. I was raised Catholic, reservation style. My father was native, my mother was Jewish. Marriage was arranged by the 2 crafty, finagling, business dealing fathers of my 2 parents. Go figger.
We, the wife and I, want to present worthwhile material to both sets of our relatives and friends on something better than our own limited abilities and perceptions and/or opinions.
So, what did these folks believe and were their beliefs salvific? Pre-Pauline, please, pretty puhleeze. As Jews what did these first of the first Messianic congregations believe and was it saving belief?
We need to know, from your alls colligated knowledge base, what the very earliest expression of faith was and their practices, their orthodoxy and orthopraxy, if indeed they had any.
My wife and I still visit the MJ congregation we were part of establishing 32 years ago, but, being Jews we have returned to a more traditional Jewish Shul fellowship, sort of "ConservOdox", as the nearest actual modern Orthodox Shul is around 100 miles away. Our old MJ church and the 3 or 4 breakaways from it have become mired down in basically what we view as gentile originated caricaturization of what they think is Jewish. Sad. There are few actual Jews in any of them anymore. In our ConservoDox group there are others who are from the original MJ church as well as some traditional Jews who have become believers in Yeshua also.
We need to know so as to have more than just our own mere opinions on what and how to discuss things.
Also, on Sundays, my wife and I share the Word with some of my native relatives on a reservation north of here. They have come out of RCC and we have had to deconstruct the Augustin, Constantine back to Ignatius of Antioch-ism to get them back to a Bible based faith. Sola scriptura? Because of the wreckage that CatholoProtestant-ism has wraught upon these people you have to eradicate the deadly disease. I was raised Catholic, reservation style. My father was native, my mother was Jewish. Marriage was arranged by the 2 crafty, finagling, business dealing fathers of my 2 parents. Go figger.
We, the wife and I, want to present worthwhile material to both sets of our relatives and friends on something better than our own limited abilities and perceptions and/or opinions.