New and old covenant here

Fireinfolding · Oct 26, 2010

I thought I'd create a freindly thread to dicuss the two covenants. Or heck, one over the over, however we are led here. A thread where our combined learning can show (either or) forth more clearly through scripture to gain a better understanding, even through types and figures (whichever)

I'd like to keep this as a freindly thread investigative type thread. Having fun while we learn is definately welcome here

Whether in part or more fully please share, I'm very interested, I love studying these things and growing in my understanding

Some threads go bad but I really want this one to be a decent thread to learn from the scriptures and enjoy one another (for once) ^_^

Anyone have tids and bits to share?

pilgrimage · Oct 26, 2010

Jeremiah 31:
36 "Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,"
declares the LORD,
"will the descendants of Israel ever cease
to be a nation before me."
37 This is what the LORD says:
"Only if the heavens above can be measured
and the foundations of the earth below be searched out
will I reject all the descendants of Israel
because of all they have done,"
declares the LORD.

What does God want to reject the descendents of Israel for?
And why would He think that the heavens and foundations can be measured?
Is there other scripture to make it clearer?

Big Drew · Oct 26, 2010

Nobody liked what I had to say in the other one, so I'll just sit back and enjoy my popcorn.

Son of Israel · Oct 26, 2010

The OP doesn't say anything about your post Pilgrimage. But in any case, God doesn't reject the descendents of Israel. There's always been a remnant. They have as much chance to accept Jesus as anyone else. All are of one blood now.

Those of us who receive the Messiah Jesus the Christ, are of the True Israel Bride in the New Marriage Covenant.
I think that is what the OP is about? The New Marriage Covenant verses the Old?

Fireinfolding · Oct 26, 2010

Big Drew said:
Nobody liked what I had to say in the other one, so I'll just sit back and enjoy my popcorn.

You too?

I started this one, so you can speak here Big Drew ^_^

You can put down your popcorn and partcipate if ya like lol

I dont bite, some do (obviously) ^_^

pilgrimage · Oct 26, 2010

Son of Israel said:
The OP doesn't say anything about your post Pilgrimage. But in any case, God doesn't reject the descendents of Israel. There's always been a remnant. They have as much chance to accept Jesus as anyone else. All are of one blood now.

Those of us who receive the Messiah Jesus the Christ, are of the True Israel Bride in the New Marriage Covenant.
I think that is what the OP is about? The New Marriage Covenant verses the Old?

Yes, your right. And the marraige covenents would be more interesting.

Jeremiah 31:36-37
36If those ordinances depart from before me, saith Jehovah, the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37Thus saith Jehovah: If the heavens above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off the whole seed of Israel, for all that they have done, saith Jehovah.
　
Psalm 148:6
6And he established them for ever and ever; he made [for them] a statute which shall not pass.
　
Jeremiah 33:25
25Thus saith Jehovah: If my covenant of day and night [stand] not, if I have not appointed the ordinances of the heavens and the earth,
　
Genesis 8:22
22Henceforth, all the days of the earth, seed [time] and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night, shall not cease.
　
Isaiah 14:1
1For Jehovah will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in rest in their own land; and the stranger shall be united to them, and they shall be joined to the house of Jacob.
　
Jeremiah 31:20
20Is Ephraim a dear son unto me? is he a child of delights? For whilst I have been speaking against him, I do constantly remember him still. Therefore my bowels are troubled for him: I will certainly have mercy upon him, saith Jehovah.
　
Zechariah 10:8
8I will hiss for them, and gather them; for I have redeemed them: and they shall multiply as they used to multiply.
　

Big Drew · Oct 26, 2010

Fireinfolding said:
You too?

I started this one, so you can speak here Big Drew

You can put down your popcorn and partcipate if ya like lol

I dont bite, some do (obviously)

In that case I'll chime in as needed.

Fireinfolding · Oct 26, 2010

Son of Israel said:
The OP doesn't say anything about your post Pilgrimage. But in any case, God doesn't reject the descendents of Israel. There's always been a remnant. They have as much chance to accept Jesus as anyone else. All are of one blood now.

Those of us who receive the Messiah Jesus the Christ, are of the True Israel Bride in the New Marriage Covenant.
I think that is what the OP is about? The New Marriage Covenant verses the Old?

I missed you lol

I wasnt sure to be honest, maybe Pilgrimage can further clarify? but yes, marraige covenant would work fine, anyway it can be shown, you are pretty good at the covenants too your insight would be welcome.

I do know you are limited at the computer but I always enjoy your insights bro

Fireinfolding · Oct 26, 2010

Big Drew said:
In that case I'll chime in as needed.

Please do, we all catch these things according to various paterns, similtitudes and types so feel free to share whatever ya got, we grow that way, I havent gotten every type down but I sure love to look and learn

pilgrimage · Oct 26, 2010

Fireinfolding said:
I missed you lol

I wasnt sure to be honest, maybe Pilgrimage can further clarify? but yes, marraige covenant would work fine, anyway it can be shown, you are pretty good at the covenants too your insight would be welcome.

I do know you are limited at the computer but I always enjoy your insights bro

I'm popping the corn and seeing where the threads going also

Fireinfolding · Oct 26, 2010

pilgrimage said:
I'm popping the corn and seeing where the threads going also

Im eating a fudge ice cream sandwich myself

Whoever wants to share on something we can all learn from and see more of Jesus in I'm all for it

I too hope this one doesnt go like the other, more freindly not folks jumping all over folks in this one upsmanship "I'm in control around here" ^_^

Fireinfolding · Oct 26, 2010

I edited this out of the other thread so I can post it here (so as not to create duplicate posts). I'll post what I catch in various ways as I see how He speaks and we can all add what we see and accumulate them here.

Jerm 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Jerm 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, althoug hI was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

The similitude of an husband to them as in here...

Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress:but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married **to** another man.

Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye **also** are become dead to **the law** by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even **to** him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. Whereupon neither the first testament dedicated without blood.

Love that one.

Heres the other I edited out to post here as wll

You can sorta catch a simlitude of it here as well, given the Ark contained the book of the law and the tables of testimony as the ark kept these as Jesus kept His Fathers commandments, as the second set of tables were places in the ark (tables like the first ones they brake) although he was an husband to them speaking of the dying to the law through the body of Christ through the same similitude. As these are shown as abolished in His flesh

Ephes 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

While were were yet eneimies (in our minds) Christ died

Jerm 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

2Cr 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Letters as letter killeth is written in ink

2Cr 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Jerm 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Fireinfolding · Oct 26, 2010

You can sorta see it this way too, I sorta try to catch these things in various ways to prove it out

Psalm 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Jerm 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Jerm 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

John 1:29... Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Jerm 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

1John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away **the first**, that he may establish **the second**

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Ezek 36:26 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Zech 8:16 These are the things that ye shall do; Speak ye every man the truth to his neighbour; execute the judgment of truth and peace in your gates

Zech 7:9 Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother:

Luke 6:36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Romans 6:4 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Psalm 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Kool how His words can show a thing

pilgrimage · Oct 26, 2010

The promises in this verse got me to thinking what are the promises mentioned. 2 Cor 7:1 says the promises are these, Sorry to post the whole chapter but I think it applies.

Gal 3:21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law
2 Corinthians 6

1But [as] fellow-workmen, we also beseech that ye receive not the grace of God in vain:
2(for he says, I have listened to thee in an accepted time, and I have helped thee in a day of salvation: behold, now [is the] well-accepted time; behold, now [the] day of salvation

3giving no manner of offence in anything, that the ministry be not blamed;
4but in everything commending ourselves as God's ministers, in much endurance, in afflictions, in necessities, in straits,
5in stripes, in prisons, in riots, in labours, in watchings, in fastings,
6in pureness, in knowledge, in longsuffering, in kindness, in [the] Holy Spirit, in love unfeigned,
7in [the] word of truth, in [the] power of God; through the arms of righteousness on the right hand and left,
8through glory and dishonour, through evil report and good report: as deceivers, and true;
9as unknown, and well known; as dying, and behold, we live; as disciplined, and not put to death;
10as grieved, but always rejoicing; as poor, but enriching many; as having nothing, and possessing all things.
11Our mouth is opened to you, Corinthians, our heart is expanded.
12Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your affections;
13but for an answering recompense, (I speak as to children,) let *your* heart also expand itself.
14Be not diversely yoked with unbelievers; for what participation [is there] between righteousness and lawlessness? or what fellowship of light with darkness?
15and what consent of Christ with Beliar, or what part for a believer along with an unbeliever?
16and what agreement of God's temple with idols? for *ye* are [the] living God's temple; according as God has said, I will dwell among them, and walk among [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be to me a people.
17Wherefore come out from the midst of them, and be separated, saith [the] Lord, and touch not [what is] unclean, and *I* will receive you;
18and I will be to you for a Father, and ye shall be to me for sons and daughters, saith [the] Lord Almighty.

2 Corinthians 7

1Having therefore these promises, beloved, let us purify ourselves from every pollution of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in God's fear.

Fireinfolding · Oct 26, 2010

Completely Kool Pilgrimage!

PROPHECYKID · Oct 26, 2010

So I made an agreement with my son. He had to build my house according to my orders and I would pay him very generously. He finished building the house so the contract come to an end. Does it mean I don't want my house anymore? Not at all. Later I enter into another agreement with my son. This time he's going to repaint and redecorate my house but I'm not going to write down orders for him. Based on what he knows I like being my son, he will know what to do. If he chooses the wrong paint no problem. I buy the right one and tell him try again. Regardless of how he works, I will pay him very generously at the end.

A covenant is an agreement. The old covenant had things in it that were just shadows. Hebrews 8 - 10 tells us about those. In the new covenant we get the real deal.

PROPHECYKID · Oct 26, 2010

Fireinfolding said:
Im eating a fudge ice cream sandwich myself

So am the only one fasting?

pilgrimage · Oct 26, 2010

PROPHECYKID said:
So am the only one fasting?

Lots here are rejoicing in His Presence

Maranatha

Fireinfolding · Oct 26, 2010

PROPHECYKID said:
So am the only one fasting?

Today yes ya want ot call what Im not doing "that" lol

Im off my diet, means I eat once a day (and my ice cream sandwich for desert). I (more often then not) live one eating once a day, till I diet then its seven times a day weird but it works

I have an extra sandwich I'd be glad to share it you if you were here lol I hope soon they develope food transporters so I can tempt the fasters ^_^

Fireinfolding · Oct 26, 2010

PROPHECYKID said:
So I made an agreement with my son. He had to build my house according to my orders and I would pay him very generously. He finished building the house so the contract come to an end. Does it mean I don't want my house anymore? Not at all. Later I enter into another agreement with my son. This time he's going to repaint and redecorate my house but I'm not going to write down orders for him. Based on what he knows I like being my son, he will know what to do. If he chooses the wrong paint no problem. I buy the right one and tell him try again. Regardless of how he works, I will pay him very generously at the end.

A covenant is an agreement. The old covenant had things in it that were just shadows. Hebrews 8 - 10 tells us about those. In the new covenant we get the real deal.

Thanks for sharing this PROPHECY Kid, curious, I was looking at something a few weeks ago, and where it takes us to in its comparisons, and I thought, wow kool I hadnt noticed this before, well I had but not this way. MAybe you can help me with some insight on this, dont feel on the spot or anything I'm sorta asking everyong for their thoughts on this.

I edited this out of the other thread I was on, figuring we could discuss it, fat chance ofcourse ^_^

But what would you make of these comparisons here, notice where they direct us to here

Exodus 32:6 And they rose up early on the morrow, and offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.

1Cr 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

1Cr 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

The same confirmed here...

Acts 7:41 And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.

Which is speaking of here...

Exodus 32:8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.

Which again Paul says...

1Cr 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

1Cr 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

Now how can be properly convey the NC with reference to this in a way that can make understanding more probrable for all here, any clue?

Or anyone?

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