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Ramy Louis · Oct 17, 2010

Responsibility

What makes you responsible?
Is really marriage, president seat or promises are enough to make you responsible?

I doubt that because I found out that many people nowadays have no responsibility partly or completely of what they are supposed to take care of.
And some times they seem totally hostile towards their responsibilities

For example
I knew parents who were jealous of their sons!;
I also noticed an increasingly irresponsible directors all over fields, and that kind of problem was not existed before, those directors and managers must be happy to get jobs done but they don’t be happy and they even scold their employees,

The same thing for some presidents don’t really care what their people need or if their dignity and welfare are in danger or whether they will continue ruling or not, they care about nothing indeed!
Also I would like to tell you how irresponsible I became, but it’s too embarrassing for me right now to talk about it.
Let alone irresponsible police men and doctors who don’t care about any thing even their own safety, it’s very usual here for a police man to take a bribe and in public! Or smoke drugs even while wearing the uniform! Things weren’t like that before

I was wondering if it’s a global phenomenon or it’s just here or it’s not a phenomenon at all and it’s all my imagination?

Also I really want to ask what does it take for a man to feel his or her responsibility?
And is it an important issue to talk about responsibility or responsibility is a trifle term with no effect in our lives and it’ll be a waste of time to talk about such a thing?

What do you think?

FallenPaladin · Oct 17, 2010

Some people are responsible by order of birth, others by personality predisposition, and still others by guilt or a sense of duty instilled at a young age.

Robinsegg · Oct 17, 2010

FallenPaladin said:
Some people are responsible by order of birth, others by personality predisposition, and still others by guilt or a sense of duty instilled at a young age.

I tend to agree with this.

Responsibility is the fulfilling of obligations. Those obligations are often chosen, but not always (for instance, the responsibility of being a parent when no child was planned).

Responsibility is also the act of refusing to add another job when you're already too busy/tired/sick/etc as it is.

Rachel

Ramy Louis · Oct 18, 2010

Thank you for the replies, so we can conclude from Fallen paladin reply that reponsibility depends on conscience and conclude from Robinsegg reply that responsibility depends on self motive

and if in some societies those two factors are hurt for any reasons then we will be experiencing a lack of resposibility problem.
So if I feel that others or me are irresponsible in some activities, that means we suffer lack of conscious and a weak or no self motive
Right I totally agree, thank you for sharing and interesting.

Gecko King · Oct 18, 2010

Irresponsibility tends to take root when there is no direct negative consequence of it, and little in the form of social pressure. Some people can act responsible without those things, but not everyone.

Ramy Louis · Oct 18, 2010

Yes Gecko king some people don't need any motive or pressure to feel responsible, and I thought this is the only way to feel responsibility, I thought it's like an instinct or it's an instinct

and like you say people take into consideration of their reponsibility the consequences and the social pressure like a tribal responsibility on a tribe chief, the only reason here for the responsibility is the tribal society pressure

but I found out that I was wrong to think that because maybe in some
Dictator societies where every thing is turning into a monster from the families to huge organizations, Monsters that suppress and kill it’s individuals;
There will be no need for a social pressure or any kind of thinking in consequences because the society in it’s usual form simply doesn’t exist; Thereat it can’t be called a society; Maybe a community or a gathering but not a society.

Hence Afghanistan, Iraq, or even here in Egypt for instance are not complete societies since they accept to have dictatorship and this is why there is lack of conscious and self motive to be responsible for anything.
So may I believe that to make someone feel his or her responsibilities, you must make an impartial and democratic environment and then somehow there will be a conscious as self motive towards responsibility.

So what would it be like for a dictator society without conscious?
Of course, no responsibility.

Robinsegg · Oct 18, 2010

Ramy Louis said:
Yes Gecko king some people don't need any motive or pressure to feel responsible, and I thought this is the only way to feel responsibility, I thought it's like an instinct or it's an instinct

and like you say people take into consideration of their reponsibility the consequences and the social pressure like a tribal responsibility on a tribe chief, the only reason here for the responsibility is the tribal society pressure

but I found out that I was wrong to think that because maybe in some
Dictator societies where every thing is turning into a monster from the families to huge organizations, Monsters that suppress and kill its individuals;
There will be no need for a social pressure or any kind of thinking in consequences because the society in its usual form simply doesnt exist; Thereat it cant be called a society; Maybe a community or a gathering but not a society.

Hence Afghanistan, Iraq, or even here in Egypt for instance are not complete societies since they accept to have dictatorship and this is why there is lack of conscious and self motive to be responsible for anything.
So may I believe that to make someone feel his or her responsibilities, you must make an impartial and democratic environment and then somehow there will be a conscious as self motive towards responsibility.

So what would it be like for a dictator society without conscious?
Of course, no responsibility.

To be honest, I'm not certain that quite follows, historically. Democracy has only recently become an idea that people around the world embraced all at once. Dictatorship has been quite prevalent throughout history. But even in those societies, there were responsible people (otherwise, nothing would ever have gotten done). I think those were probably situations in which there may have been 2 other incentives:
1. Family
2. Money
1. In many cultures, family honor or the continuance of the family is more important than anything the individual person may want/need. Thus, responsibility is taught from a very early age.
2. Some people are *very* motivated by money. Therefore, even with little to say in his life, a man (or woman) might take on responsibility and perform it well for the reward of having more money. That's what capitalism is all about: allowing a person to see benefit from their own work.

Rachel

Ramy Louis · Oct 18, 2010

Robinsegg said:
To be honest, I'm not certain that quite follows, historically. Democracy has only recently become an idea that people around the world embraced all at once. Dictatorship has been quite prevalent throughout history. But even in those societies, there were responsible people (otherwise, nothing would ever have gotten done). I think those were probably situations in which there may have been 2 other incentives:
1. Family
2. Money
1. In many cultures, family honor or the continuance of the family is more important than anything the individual person may want/need. Thus, responsibility is taught from a very early age.
2. Some people are *very* motivated by money. Therefore, even with little to say in his life, a man (or woman) might take on responsibility and perform it well for the reward of having more money. That's what capitalism is all about: allowing a person to see benefit from their own work.

Rachel

Yes, I thought that too, but things aren't like that now, and it's clear for me that there is a relationship between dictatorships and responsibility feelings even on a family levels.
because as you can see through history all dictatorships died out forever and only the democrat Rome empire continued, till they started to lose their republic system, then they became irresponsible, then they disappeared.

For Israel God worned them not to choose a king or they will be his slaves but they didn't listen and a few decades later they lost independence for 3000 years till 1948
Now they learned the lesson, Now they are a democrat country, actually the only democrat country in the middle east, now they feel responsibility towards their people and they are not slaves to their learders.

We in Egypt used to worship the irresponsible sick Pharoas who thought themselves as Gods, We built a kingdom for them but they let us down and now we are an arabian country!

Egypt didn't learn the lesson, Many countries didn't learn the lesson.

And for families things are much worse

Naguib Mahfouze is an Egyptian author who won Noble prize in the nineties as I remember
He got the prize for many stories and one of them is dicussing the changes on a rich family whose father is practicing complete dictatorship on the family members as reflaction from the dictatorship action of the government on that time

the story name is (Cee seid), it means Master Seid (and even the name Seid means the Master!)
that family father and members were completely irresponsible and the family was ended badly.
That family was not just a sample of Egyptian families but also a sample of Middle east families.
I believe that dictatorship is a stupid monster, and it's the reason of creating so many irresponsible Pharoas, it creates people without conscious or self motive for caring and feeling responsibility.

salida · Oct 18, 2010

What drives me concerning responsibility is that I'm accountable to God for what I do with my life. One does their best in the circumstances they have been given.

Ramy Louis · Oct 18, 2010

Yes, concerning God in all our actions would be the best answer to our behaviours but for some people they think they don't need God unless in showy public speechs

They show off with God as if they own God!

So having the right of surveillance and criticizing those who are in responsibility is the only guarantee against false consciousness and showy religious appearances.

That democratic ambience can generate responsible people even if they don't have a religious life because they will be thinking they are monitored by strong society which can punish exactly like you believe that you are monitored by God who can punish.

But if I don't have the right to monitor some people then those people if they aren't religious people can deviate to a very serious levels of crime.

So Democratic climate is the only guarantee to have a society and then to build a more reliable, responsible and a long life civilization.

Beanieboy · Oct 18, 2010

Wow. Deep questions.

I feel that I am responsible when I promise to do something, and I fulfill my promise. If the person trusts me because I have proven it, I am responsible and trustworthy.

Does this mean that I am always responsible? By no means. I have gone out with friends before and had to go teach with a slight hangover. That was irresponsible. Why did I do it? Because I was enjoying my friend's company, didn't want it to end, stopped counting beers, and only thought about the time when I was there, and not the implications for the next day.

It happens to all of us. It is often unintentional, but I say this to my students on the first day: Mistakes are good. That's because it is through mistakes that we learn. If we repeat our mistake over and over, we will continue to do so until we learn to change our behavior.

I watched a disturbing doc last night called Taxi into Darkness. It was about the torture and murder of an innocent Afghani taxi driver who was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. He was killed under the US army in 2002, which began to bring techiques like waterboarding under scrutiny and condemnation of War Crimes. It was disturbing, like watching the Nazi tortures of the Jews during the Holocaust.

President George W. Bush pardoned himself so that he would never be able to be charged with crimes he authorized. Those who ordered the Muslim men to strip, to be naked before female soldiers, sleep deprivation, beatings, forced standing for up to 40 hours at a time, did not step forward and take responsibility, but rather blamed those under them who carried ou the orders. This was also irresponsible.

And the result of this irresponsibility will affect us all. There were probably be more attacks on the US, and would anyone blame them? One man interviewed was tortured, and finally released after British pressure was put on them. He said, "I was no terrorist when I went in, and never told what crime I was being accused of the entire time I was there. However, those who leave, after being tortured so cruelly, humiliated, disrespected so grossly, would surely have cause to join.

Of the 84,000 detainees, the doc stated, only 4 have been brought to trial.

Irresponsibility has some serious consequences, and not simply for those who commit the act.

Ramy Louis · Oct 18, 2010

Right, so in the absence of law we start to act according to what Anton Chekhov Writer of novel of Uncle Vanya calls (our genius destruction instinct)
And this kind of creative instinct that we have makes us without a consciousness and without a motive and in one word irresponsible.
In the absence of law things depend on how destructive we are and for sure how intelligent we are.

So if Im not a peaceful human then Ill have a criminal sense and if Im intelligent enough to do my worst, then in the absence of law and democrat environment to apply this law, Ill be another osama Ben Laden.
That kind of criminals that cant be revised or asked for his actions.
Or Ill be a father or a mother who can really hurt their kids
Or maybe I can become a destructive person to the nature in the forests where law and consciousness are less important

So can we say that seeing homeless weak children and people that no one cares about in a society is a sign of a irresponsibility and a sign of dictatorship of that society.
And if that conclusion is true then this kind of societies will sooner or later produces its own dictator leader but what is really much worse it will produce its own dictator irresponsible families.

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