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No. But nowhere in the book does it say it's unacceptable either.One question.
By definition does normal mean good and acceptable?
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No. But nowhere in the book does it say it's unacceptable either.One question.
By definition does normal mean good and acceptable?
That is the trouble....the author didn't say......she stated what I quoted (and it posted strange)...then ended the chapter saying, ""God did create him like this. And He said His creation was good."One question.
By definition does normal mean good and acceptable?
Again, nowhere does it say that urge is WRONG! Is the urge to kill someone wrong? Is the urge to have an affair wrong? YES!!! If we want our me to step up and become Christlike, how about asking God to take that urge from you instead of say "I'm made that way"????
No. But nowhere in the book does it say it's unacceptable either.
That is the trouble....the author didn't say......she stated what I quoted (and it posted strange)...then ended the chapter saying, ""God did create him like this. And He said His creation was good."
And the "this" was all that I quoted....so...what I am saying is by writing it that way....she IS linking the two together that what is "normal" for men is "good"...and "created by God".
But how many times have women heard 'if you just...he would'...I have heard it more times than I care to count. Do you know how many times I've read that men don't step up cause of feminism or the feminism of the church??? That imo is men blaming women.EXACTLY. Now I know by agreeing with that I'm likely to get accused of blaming women for men's failures. So be it. Not the first time, won't be the last.
A problem is that many men are choosing to not "step up". That choice is 100% their responsibility. See, 100% their own responsibility so I'm not blaming anyone else. But as I've said before, the efforts of the church in this area for the last 30 or more years have basically amounted to just repeatedly saying "men step up". Nothing wrong with that message. It's true, it does need to happen. But 30 or more years of saying it over and over is having little to no effect. Maybe, just maybe it's time to try something else. Not instead of, but in addition to the men step up message.
But how many times have women heard 'if you just...he would'...I have heard it more times than I care to count. Do you know how many times I've read that men don't step up cause of feminism or the feminism of the church??? That imo is men blaming women.
She left a LOT of room for filling in the blanks though....that is my exact issue. It leaves room for misunderstanding. A person should not write a book and leave huge gaps like that.......it wasn't as if she were talking with a friend and didn't explain herself well....this is a book...sold to many. It is like how legal contracts are written...they are ambiguous and can be taken either way.You inferr much, as usual.
Like I challenged Lyndie, go ahead and e-mail her directly and see what she says. But like I said, I doubt it will happen since the meaning you've constructed is so comfortable for you. That and it ties in nicely with your underlying anti-male attitude too.
But how many times have women heard 'if you just...he would'...I have heard it more times than I care to count. Do you know how many times I've read that men don't step up cause of feminism or the feminism of the church??? That imo is men blaming women.
I just read thru the except, and what I got from it is information & encouragement.
'Men are like this, and they have to struggle against the natural tendency, and this is how you can help them.'
I didn't see excuses, just a reassuring note that your husband/guy does look, but where he goes from there is up to him, and is helped by his relationship with God, and church and perhaps an accountability partner.
And yes, if I'm going to gender-generalize, I do remember past hurts. I try to keep them in the past, but sometimes they get back out.
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She left a LOT of room for filling in the blanks though....that is my exact issue. It leaves room for misunderstanding. A person should not write a book and leave huge gaps like that.......it wasn't as if she were talking with a friend and didn't explain herself well....this is a book...sold to many. It is like how legal contracts are written...they are ambiguous and can be taken either way.
That is the trouble...there are confusing messages out there that lead to justifying sin. Not that the author is actually justifying the sin....but. the door is opened for men to do that.
The meaning I have "constructed" is FAR from comfortable to me....AND....take your own advice and start believing me when I say "I do NOT have an anti-male attiitude....just an anti-coddling sin attitude."
I'm confused.....That's what I thought MK and and the others were saying too.
I'm confused.....That's what I thought MK and and the others were saying too.
That's what we were saying . . . . . but by pointing out that dwelling on these images, storing them up and "using" them later, and actively seeking out these experiences (ie following women in store aisles, etc so that you can get additional viewing time) is sin, we somehow demonized the male sex drive.
I have read the book, it does tend to give men almost an "excuse" by pointing out how HARD it is for them not to sin . . . . and that we should give them a bit of an "out" if they choose to sin in this manner. Once again, I've read the book . . . . .
Something else . . . like biblical discipleship, perhaps?EXACTLY. Now I know by agreeing with that I'm likely to get accused of blaming women for men's failures. So be it. Not the first time, won't be the last.
A problem is that many men are choosing to not "step up". That choice is 100% their responsibility. See, 100% their own responsibility so I'm not blaming anyone else. But as I've said before, the efforts of the church in this area for the last 30 or more years have basically amounted to just repeatedly saying "men step up". Nothing wrong with that message. It's true, it does need to happen. But 30 or more years of saying it over and over is having little to no effect. Maybe, just maybe it's time to try something else. Not instead of, but in addition to the men step up message.
Something else . . . like biblical discipleship, perhaps?
Rachel