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Originally posted by rollinTHUNDER
Sometimes I think it's funny, knowing that the bible says that we are not appointed to wrath, but yet many christians believe that we will go through God's wrath in the coming tribulation, ...
Originally posted by rollinTHUNDER
Faithful1,
Some people won't know truth unless it hits them right in the face.
I'm not going to argue with you about it,
I hope you enjoy your tribulation. After all, it's what you really want isn't it??
Hi, Thunder. Your understanding is that there's a verse which makes the quoted statement. Which verse woud that be? 1Thess5:9? "For God has not appointed us to wrath, but for obtaining salvation through Jesus." Can't be this one---this is constructe "THESIS / ANTITHESIS". The thesis WRATH compliments the anti-thesis, SALVATION.Sometimes I think it's funny, knowing that the bible says that we are not appointed to wrath, but yet many christians believe that we will go through ...the coming tribulation, ...
Hi, Thunder. I explained this in post #8. What Webster says isn't really the question---but rather, how it is used in Scripture.Sorry guy, I don't see any connection between wrath and hell. Cheers!!
Originally posted by Faithful1
This is a serious error and a very common misconception among new Christians and those unfamiliar with the meaning of "tribulation".
The word 'tribulation' is NEVER used in New Testament to mean 'wrath' . In fact, the greek word used for 'tribulation' is Thlipsis; and it is never translated 'Wrath'.
Faithful1
Originally posted by armothe
I have to side with Faithful1 on this issue. The bible does indeed state Christians would go through the tribulation:
Matthew 24:9 - (Christ to His disciples) then they shall deliver you up to tribulation, and shall kill you, and ye shall be hated by all the nations because of my name.
Acts 11:19 - Those, indeed, therefore, having been scattered abroad, from the tribulation that came after Stephen, went through unto Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, speaking the word to none except to Jews only;
2 Cor 1:8 - For we do not wish you to be ignorant, brethren, of our tribulation that happened to us in Asia
1 Thess 3:4 - for even when we were with you, we said to you beforehand, that we are about to suffer tribulation, as also it did come to pass, and ye have known it.
and my personal favorite....
Revelation 1:9 - I, John, who also am your brother, and fellow-partner in the tribulation, and in the reign and endurance, of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, because of the word of God.
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Originally posted by celtic_crusader
Hi THUNDER,
I hope we can finish our war against Islam before we all get taken away. We Gotta get ride of these maniacs before the rapture or the world will become Moslem
Shorly god doesn't want that
Celtic
Originally posted by Ben johnson
If what you say is true, that the SAVED are not destined for TRIBULATION, then what of those who are saved DURING the Tribulation? If SAVED are not destined for wrath, will each be removed FROM the Tribulation AS HE IS SAVED???
...the rapture was at that time unrevealed. Mathew 24 is mostly referring to the tribulation...
...the rapture that some believers like to combine with the second coming...
...It was Paul that revealed to them this mystery...
...He did not know the time Himself...
...we are not appointed to wrath...
...Some christians make the claim that because God protected Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-Nego while they were in the firey furnace, then He will also protect us christians in the 7 year tribulation...
...The story of Noah...
...the Parable of the Ten Virgins...
...tribulation saints...
Originally posted by postrib
In the pre-trib view, in Matthew 24:36-44, isn't Jesus referring to the rapture?
Exactly that---Jesus makes a 1.75 "coming" for the PRE-TRIB-RAPTURE. The "HOOPS" that need be "jumped through" to make this work, include " The SECOND COMING is in TWO STAGES, seven years apart; and, "It's not REALLY a second coming, 'cause He only stops in the CLOUDS." But there is record of only ONE APPEARANCE of Christ. "Coming in the SAME WAY as they saw Him LEAVE.I believe the doctrine of a pre-trib rapture would require that the 2nd coming be a 3rd coming (Hebrews 9:28), that the last trumpet be the 9th from last (1 Corinthians 15:52; Revelation 8:6; Matthew 24:31), and that the 1st resurrection be the 2nd (Revelation 20:4-6), so that it would not really make sense of scripture.
Which shall we believe? This thread, or Scripture? You say you don't wanna argue; Pre-Tribbers give us Rev3:10, which we correctly demonstrate to indicate "He will MAINTAIN/GUARD us THROUGH", not "take-us-out-of". They then assert 1Thess5:9, which we correctly demonstrate uses "WRATH" for "HELL" (identical to Romans2). BUt you won't argue, you cling to "not-destined-wrath" is "rapture"?If you can read this thread an still hold on to your beliefs, you got it bad dude!!
Originally posted by Ben johnson
The DEAD IN CHRIST are raised FIRST, and THEN the living are raptured. If that's 7 years BEFORE Trib's-end, then why is the Trib's-end-resurrection, called the FIRST RESURRECTION? How can there be a SMALL first resurrection when the GREAT resurrection happened 7 years earlier?
Which shall we believe? This thread, or Scripture? You say you don't wanna argue; Pre-Tribbers give us Rev3:10, which we correctly demonstrate to indicate "He will MAINTAIN/GUARD us THROUGH", not "take-us-out-of".