What do you think? My wife teaches our children that but when I tell my children to tell their friends that liars go to hell my wife suggests they don't do that. I say if they want to be congruent they should be honest about their beliefs and not hold back. What do you think?
Should children be taught sinners go to Hell?
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Pwnzerfaust
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I think no one should teach any children such atrocious things. Indeed, no decent parent should indoctrinate their children which such a foul dogma as the existence of hell.
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lawtonfogle
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The big question we must first answer is if there should be any legal limits on what a parent can teach their child, and if so, what are the general rules. Then we just determine if teaching the existence of hell falls under such rules.
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Exiledoomsayer
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Teach them about hell in the same manner of teaching them about who santa won't give them presents if their naughty, but still brings presents every year anyway?
Or tell them at every misstep that they are going to burn in hell for all eternity writhing in agony and all their little friends who are not of their specific church are going to suffer that fate and that half the founding fathers are in hell right now?
The first they won't take too serious I imagine but atleast still be aware mildly of the doctrine.
The second is going to scar that child for life.
Or tell them at every misstep that they are going to burn in hell for all eternity writhing in agony and all their little friends who are not of their specific church are going to suffer that fate and that half the founding fathers are in hell right now?
The first they won't take too serious I imagine but atleast still be aware mildly of the doctrine.
The second is going to scar that child for life.
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Dr. Helen: "The average person lies three times per ten minutes of conversation."
"The average person lies 3x in a typical conversation."
That means, most people are going to hell.
If your children lie, they are going to hell, according to your wife.
If you or your wife lie, you are going to hell.
Your wife is teaching your kids to tell people that sin makes people go to hell, but the bible says that if we say that we have no sin, the truth is not in us. No one is sinless, Christian or non.
So, what your wife is teaching your kids isn't scriptural.
There is a parable of a Pharasee who goes before God and thanks him for making him so holy, for following the law, and not making him like other sinful people, pointing to a tax collector in the distance. The tax collector would not even lift his head before God, saying simply, "Have mercy on me, a lowly sinner."
Your wife is teaching your children to be like the Pharisee, and tell other kids that they can earn their way into heaven and hell.
Is that right?
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Actually, what I've taught my children (as is the Baptist doctrine) is that:
1. All people are sinners.
2. God cannot be with sin.
3. Hell is eternal separation from God.
4. If, in this life, a sinner chooses to live with no relationship with God, He will accept that choice after death. (This means allow them to go to Hell.)
5. *Anyone* can choose to have a relationship with God and avoid Hell.
6. All sin is sin. There is no better/worse sin.
Thus, it is not any 1 sin that sends us to Hell. It is our refusal to surrender to a loving God and accept His way out of Hell that sends us to Hell.
Rachel
1. All people are sinners.
2. God cannot be with sin.
3. Hell is eternal separation from God.
4. If, in this life, a sinner chooses to live with no relationship with God, He will accept that choice after death. (This means allow them to go to Hell.)
5. *Anyone* can choose to have a relationship with God and avoid Hell.
6. All sin is sin. There is no better/worse sin.
Thus, it is not any 1 sin that sends us to Hell. It is our refusal to surrender to a loving God and accept His way out of Hell that sends us to Hell.
Rachel
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Absolutely not-As a child I spent many Sundays in fire-and-brimstone type sermons.I wish my dad would have realized that what was good for him was perhaps harmful to us.Based on these experiences as a child,I was always in fear.I used to cry while imagining people I loved burning in hell.I feared every thunderstorm was the end of the world.These are just a couple of reasons why I was so adversarial to church and Christianity for a long time.It also produces a "faith through fear" mentality to Christianity.So,as a child I was taught that we followed Christ because we were afraid of eternal punishment.There's a reason why the kids are dismissed to Sunday School before the sermon is taught.These are also some of the stereotypes that paint church and Christianity as extreme to outsiders.Children should be taught carefully and thoughtfully until they reach an appropriate age to handle these complex ideas.If they are first taught about Jesus' love and compassion,they will understand the concept of hell and the separation from God and his love.Then,they will strive to have a relationship with God for the right reasons and never want to be removed from His presence.
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Exiledoomsayer
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Just checking so I understand but in your view as a person dies they basically appear at the pearly gates and then get to choose weither to be seperated (go to hell) or step within to be with god?
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No. Upon death, God ratifies & accepts the position already embraced during life.
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Exiledoomsayer
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Ah okay for a minute there I thought you where advocating that god in the end shows himself so you would not be judged based soley on what unsupported idea you happend to hold in life.
My bad.
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It is my belief that God does, indeed, show Himself upon ones' death. However, Scripture makes it clear that He expects us to use the information He's given us (whether that be through the order He's set up or through the Scripture He sent us) to try to find Him.
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Prince Lucianus
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In Exodus 1:20 god is good to the lying midviwes.
So, apparently he doesn't mind lying when it serves the greater good.
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So, apparently he doesn't mind lying when it serves the greater good.
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It seems to me that "bearing false witness against ones' neighbor" doesn't quite cover that situation? After all, they weren't trying to make anyone else's life worse, just allow children to be born alive. Honoring life (refusing to commit infanticide when a boy child was born) is something God has always rewarded, yes?
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I just find it interesting that he has no problem letting most of the world 'choose' hell just because his information is unreliable and has many many counterparts saying the same thing. Thats the issue with the whole faith thing, believing inspite of what else is there its basically flying blind.
But thats neither here nor there. Your version of hell doesnt seem to be the gnashing of teeth and brimstone kind of hell so its not really as bad as what people traditionally think of as hell. More a bit like life on earth as it already for people that do not believe in the right god. More or less letting them carry on as they always have. Interesting idea really a sort of selffulling prophecy for every person.
Nice idea.
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The more I think about it the more I could see the "God gives you what you expect after death" kind of hell as child friendly. While still getting the point across.
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I think they need to have an understanding of the options God gives us... at the right age. I'm not going to talk with a 4 year old about going to hell. Maybe a 6 or 7 year old or older, depending on their maturity. It's a serious discussion to have, not something to be taught casually in Sunday school.
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The information is not unreliable. It is ignored because people make excuses. There is plenty upon plenty of evidence for Christianity and the reliability of the Bible. The only 'problem' with that evidence is that it's historical, philosophical, and logical in nature rather than empirical, so people dismiss the ideas as ancient and unrelated to modern day life.
As for what Robin was saying about hell being a continuation of our life here, it is. If we live our lives and reject God, we will end up separated from Him for eternity. If we live our lives and accept Him, we will end up being with Him for eternity. Hell is the separation from God, which means nothing good can exist in hell. No love, no patience, no peace, no joy, nothing that is in character with God.
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Exiledoomsayer
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As I said, hundreds of other religions have all of that aswell. Either all you need is A religion to accept god and get into heaven regardless of which it is. Or everybody that is born in a non-christian enviroment pretty much does not stand a chance.
I object to the idea that without god there can be no love etc etc, but it does help me understand where you are coming from when speaking about seperation of god thank you.
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Prince Lucianus
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Bearing false witness to save something is not described in the bible. It's bearing false witness, otherwise known as lying. Fallen Paladin states that people who do end up in hell. So, the midwives should end up there as well. Either all lies or describe which.
Most lies told by people are not meant to hurt other people. Actually many lies are told to protect others:
"You're not fat at all"
"I think your brothers are very nice people"
If we wouldn't lie about these things, the amount of problems we would have.......
Anyway, "thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor" has generally been interpreted as not lying..... period, I think.
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There's plenty of evidence for religions other than Christianity being false. I can start with Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses off the top of my head.
Why do you object to it?
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