What destroys love between man and woman?

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Society sees separation and divorce as a solution to a problem, but I think finding out the root of the problem so that it doesn't happen in first place may be more important, since the cause should be solved rather than just the symptom.

I previously asked about one possible factor that destroys love, though it probably sounded too complicated, so I will ask in a more simple way:
Do you think that the idea that one has more options and someone better out there is the reason why people are unable to build, forgive and productively solve their issues in existing relationships?

Do you think that being social with the opposite sex is the main ingredient that leads to thinking bad about one's existing relationship/marriage, and thus strive for "better"?
 
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God hates divorce. Yes, he allows it in cases of marital in fidelity, but if we are to love like Christ, we should give our spouse the chance to repent. Jesus doesn't kick us to the curb when we mess up and you know that we have done some horrible things to Christ!

I think that the root of the problem lies in selfishness. It is because so many people expect so much out of their spouse. They have an inner void that will never be filled by anyone other than Jesus Christ, but they expect their spouse to fill it. That is a lot to ask! No person is capable of being perfect! Only God is perfect. When our focus is on God and not on ourselves, we will choose to love others rather than seek to fulfill our own desires. If we depend on God to fill our void, He WILL fill it and we will be free to love and appreciate our spouse! Our love for Christ should transcend in all our relationships!
 
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I wish I knew where I had heard this but it stuck with me: there are 3 parts to a relationship - love, trust and respect. Remove trust and/or respect and love will eventually die.

I agree with Christdaughter. Selfishness can be a form of disrespect - "your needs are not as important as mine..." It can also result from mistrust - "you have failed me in the past, so I will make sure my needs are met..."
 
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Society sees separation and divorce as a solution to a problem, but I think finding out the root of the problem so that it doesn't happen in first place may be more important, since the cause should be solved rather than just the symptom.

I previously asked about one possible factor that destroys love, though it probably sounded too complicated, so I will ask in a more simple way:
Do you think that the idea that one has more options and someone better out there is the reason why people are unable to build, forgive and productively solve their issues in existing relationships?

Do you think that being social with the opposite sex is the main ingredient that leads to thinking bad about one's existing relationship/marriage, and thus strive for "better"?

God is love, and I think a lot of ideas would go against that, in the sort of way that Solomon suggest cutting the baby in two... or how a spouse can threaten separation to see if that they really matter to the other people, to get evidence of their value to that person.

That can be as simple as a test.

But there is also the component of faith with tests. For instance, the Israelites cried in the desert under tests, while Moses simply shrugged off the actual tests, but saw in the people they did not and was frustrated at that.


In those tests you see such things as God raising up Pharaoh and his army... the people going into the desert without food or water... and a continual dehydration problem on water. It really ends with Moses hitting the rock instead of speaking to it - a very odd request if one thinks about it - and claiming, instead of "The Lord says", "Me and Aaron will make water come out of this rock". For which error - lack of trust, as God said - Moses failed to reach the Promised Land... yet "because of the people testing him".

Love is higher than people, as a youth is lower then the parent they will become.

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As for people intruding and throwing around varying ideas about the relationships of others, throwing in varying advices under the guise of being a friend... often these things are themselves blocks to relationships, an attempt to divide rather then join.

Judgments, condemnations made on others... on others business... instead of people focusing on their own lives and considering the realities of their own relationships.


Love has a mind of its' own, no wonder Solomon spoke of the way of a woman with a man as one of the greatest mysteries in existence.


And because love always finds a way against all adversity, this means it is far smarter then flesh... for flesh can not find its' way out of the impossible mazes of meaning words and their variety of possible meanings can throw up as blocks to the end goal of love.


Fleshly desires and selfish instincts simply do not have the resources nor motive love does to solve any problem... any knot or maze... presented to it... and in this way the puzzles of life are made so severe that love and only love can find its' way through.

So that love might be seen clearly as superior and righteous and the way to life.

Don't you think, maybe?


But I don't know. I am really not very smart or spiritual.
 
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Society sees separation and divorce as a solution to a problem, but I think finding out the root of the problem so that it doesn't happen in first place may be more important, since the cause should be solved rather than just the symptom.

I previously asked about one possible factor that destroys love, though it probably sounded too complicated, so I will ask in a more simple way:
Do you think that the idea that one has more options and someone better out there is the reason why people are unable to build, forgive and productively solve their issues in existing relationships?

Do you think that being social with the opposite sex is the main ingredient that leads to thinking bad about one's existing relationship/marriage, and thus strive for "better"?


It sounds like you could use a lot of books on sensitivity and emasculation.


It really depends on the couple. If a couple is inclined to hacking through wild jungles and dealing with six inch ants and wild jaguars... then they will probably be rougher and be able to handle it.


If the couple is timid and feel a sense of *vertigo* looking over the curb of a sidewalk, then they should go and talk to all their friends and get a lot of pats on the head... and pick up a bunch of books that talk about rosiness and complacency.
 
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Society sees separation and divorce as a solution to a problem, but I think finding out the root of the problem so that it doesn't happen in first place may be more important, since the cause should be solved rather than just the symptom.

I previously asked about one possible factor that destroys love, though it probably sounded too complicated, so I will ask in a more simple way:
Do you think that the idea that one has more options and someone better out there is the reason why people are unable to build, forgive and productively solve their issues in existing relationships?

Do you think that being social with the opposite sex is the main ingredient that leads to thinking bad about one's existing relationship/marriage, and thus strive for "better"?

I think it boils down to our society has the "Grass is greener" mentality. People, now-a-days, seek perfection and as we all know, there is no such thing as perfection.
 
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Society sees separation and divorce as a solution to a problem, but I think finding out the root of the problem so that it doesn't happen in first place may be more important, since the cause should be solved rather than just the symptom.
couldn't agree more

I previously asked about one possible factor that destroys love, though it probably sounded too complicated, so I will ask in a more simple way:
Do you think that the idea that one has more options and someone better out there is the reason why people are unable to build, forgive and productively solve their issues in existing relationships?
I think this is true for some. it is certainly the easier option and people do like the easy option. To solve issues both parties need to make an effort even if the problem was caused by one person. Using adultery as an example the person who was cheated on must be willing to take the person back. This doesn't mean they should automatically trust the person and there will be no pain or no need for healing. This is far from true but they need to be willing to accept the person back. They should work out some guidelines so their partner does not feel they are going to be punished for ever more but also make sure that trust can be rebuilt. It isn't easy but can be done.

Do you think that being social with the opposite sex is the main ingredient that leads to thinking bad about one's existing relationship/marriage, and thus strive for "better"?
Possibly for some but i think for this to be true there are other issues involved. For me this is not an issue at all.
 
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Dear DoubleNature. Selfless love can never be destroyed, and I do not believe that love could be selfish. I think it is called 50/50, when both partners are kind and considerrate, and they agree to share life. But where selfishness rules, even love would have a gigantic task, and it would need a miracle from God Himself to keep it alive. I say this with love. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.
 
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Society sees separation and divorce as a solution to a problem, but I think finding out the root of the problem so that it doesn't happen in first place may be more important, since the cause should be solved rather than just the symptom.

Definitely. People find it too easy today to marry and then just divorce when things go wrong, rather than try and work things out. Relationships aren't easy.

Do you think that the idea that one has more options and someone better out there is the reason why people are unable to build, forgive and productively solve their issues in existing relationships?.

I am for only marrying someone if you are 100% sure that they are the one for you, and that you are willing to work at the marriage. Of course, things change, but if you go in with that in our heart you will try to make it work. I know that if I have any thoughts in my mind that he might not be the one, or that I will find someone better, I won't marry him.

I don't think people take enough time to get to know each other. Marriage doesn't seem to mean much to people any more, they don't see it as something special.

Do you think that being social with the opposite sex is the main ingredient that leads to thinking bad about one's existing relationship/marriage, and thus strive for "better"?

I have male friends, but never have being around them made me think twice about my relationship. I think it could do if you are not 100% sure of your won relationship though. I have great male friends, who are amazing guys, and yes they would also make a great husband, but I know for me there is only one guy.
 
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Society sees separation and divorce as a solution to a problem, but I think finding out the root of the problem so that it doesn't happen in first place may be more important, since the cause should be solved rather than just the symptom.

I previously asked about one possible factor that destroys love, though it probably sounded too complicated, so I will ask in a more simple way:
Do you think that the idea that one has more options and someone better out there is the reason why people are unable to build, forgive and productively solve their issues in existing relationships?

Do you think that being social with the opposite sex is the main ingredient that leads to thinking bad about one's existing relationship/marriage, and thus strive for "better"?





The idea that one has more options and someone better out there...

All marriages have times of difficulty. Everyone wonders at least once 'what if'. I don't believe it is the reason people are unable to build, forgive, resolve issues. It is a symptom of deeper issues that must be addressed.

Being social with the opposite sex... not sure what you mean by social.

I know I can reach out to one or two male ministers we know; but wisdom tells me to reach for the female ministers first.

I believe women should seek women for council; men should seek men. If a minister finds himself/herself taken by surprise where a person of the opposite sex needs immediate council... my husband and I have learned to get backup right away. Without making a big deal... and with gentleness... we let the person know we feel the need to call a trusted prayer partner/minister to come help. The person in need has an added friend present who can lend comfort and support PLUS there is a witness for everyone so that no one can speculate that anything inappropriate happened.

If you mean 'social' in that male to female friends are going places together, that is a train wreck waiting to happen unless the circumstances are incredibly unusual... it just isn't using wisdom. Have friendships... know where to draw the line.
 
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Marriage is not perfect if Jesus is not involved with both male and female couples .:*:. Satan has been released deliberately to test our faith and Jesus is our savior who can allow space in our lives for a time-out:
"What did I say or do something wrong?"
"Can we turn back the clock and start again by saying or doing something right ?"
Recording your reactions on camera or computer and playing it back on the screen can make the experience a learning one, and maybe, some laughter as well to get rid of the anger, ridicule and misery that Satan wants us to bear as rotten fruit instead of rosy ripen fruit of Jesus such as happiness, peace and joy .:*:.
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I think it boils down to our society has the "Grass is greener" mentality. People, now-a-days, seek perfection and as we all know, there is no such thing as perfection.

I think this is very close, but I'd make one change. Most people aren't expecting perfection, and they'll tell you so. What's really happening is one step down from that: people expect a spouse to live up to their hopes and expectations. But most people can't live up to those either. If we enter marriage with a focus on our own needs being met, they probably won't be. If we go in with an equal or greater focus on meeting the spouse's needs (and he/she does the same), the marriage has a much better chance of succeeding. It may have a lot of bumps in the road, but the love is much more loyal and long-term. Another way of putting it: if both allow falling out of love to be an option, it will usually happen.
 
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I wanted to emphasize that I apply this question to any relationship of love between a man and a woman, e.g. Girlfriend-Boyfriend-couples. i.e. why so many start such relationships only to break up.

It is common (at least in most Western/American/European societies) to be in relationships that last from a few weeks to a few years before deciding to marry. If that decision doesn't happen, the couple breaks up and they look for other potential partners.

Isn't this also caused by the "grass is greener"-effect?

In my opinion, if we really love someone, whether we are already married or still girlfriend-boyfriend, we should do our best to keep the love alive, forgive, trust, make things better, listen, grow up with the partner, etc. in order to get married.

Ideally, I think that we should love the first partner we fall in love with/are in a relationship with, but our culture is so fast-paced and dynamic that the "first love" is seen as nothing more than a teenage fairytale to get over with.

Most start such relationships only as a kind of "trial/demo version" of marrying that person.
 
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Society sees separation and divorce as a solution to a problem, but I think finding out the root of the problem so that it doesn't happen in first place may be more important, since the cause should be solved rather than just the symptom.

I previously asked about one possible factor that destroys love, though it probably sounded too complicated, so I will ask in a more simple way:
Do you think that the idea that one has more options and someone better out there is the reason why people are unable to build, forgive and productively solve their issues in existing relationships?

Do you think that being social with the opposite sex is the main ingredient that leads to thinking bad about one's existing relationship/marriage, and thus strive for "better"?

You are a child, naive. At best a lawyer.


Between two hot loves.


Pretending otherwise will only burn you.


Is that what you want?


Free position, if you wish... we can solicit from you, if you wish...



But is incest and adultery really your speciality???
 
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You are a child, naive. At best a lawyer.


Between two hot loves.


Pretending otherwise will only burn you.


Is that what you want?


Free position, if you wish... we can solicit from you, if you wish...



But is incest and adultery really your speciality???

Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. Could you please rephrase?
 
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Society sees separation and divorce as a solution to a problem, but I think finding out the root of the problem so that it doesn't happen in first place may be more important, since the cause should be solved rather than just the symptom.

I previously asked about one possible factor that destroys love, though it probably sounded too complicated, so I will ask in a more simple way:
Do you think that the idea that one has more options and someone better out there is the reason why people are unable to build, forgive and productively solve their issues in existing relationships?

Do you think that being social with the opposite sex is the main ingredient that leads to thinking bad about one's existing relationship/marriage, and thus strive for "better"?


The reason folks fail is one or both take their eyes off of GOD and HIS WORD.




Do you have GOD'S WORD working in your life?


Read and reread the NEW TESTIMENT until the next time you read it you will already know what IT'S going to say. For then IT'S locked in your heart to draw from the rest of your life. You will never be sorry you did. This is GOD'S ROADMAP given to us so that we are able to walk up that path to the KINGDOM of ALMIGHTY GOD.

Then there are some very important BOOKS that are not stories that contain GOD'S WISDOM and UNDERSTANDING that can help us up the path to the KINGDOM of ALMIGHTY GOD:

Read from the books of the Apocrypha as soon as possible. They will address the problems you face now and for a lifetime.

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Start reading:[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]SIRACH, WISDOM, PROVERBS, ECCLESIASTES[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]These BOOKS can make a real difference in your life.[/FONT]

You can read and print out this online at:

http://www.riseisrael.com/Revision1Apocrypha.pdf



For those that become HIS, HE has a very special gift. GOD will ANOINT you with HIS HOLY SPIRIT. It is at this time you shall find out why GOD put you here. HE will give you your MISSION and supply all your needs, even what you have not the ability to have. When this happens you are no longer tied to the worldly churches and no one stands between you and GOD. GOD HIMSELF becomes your:



1. TEACHER
2. GUIDE
3. COMFORTER
4. COMUNICATOR



When this happens and you will really find and get to know GOD and you shall never want to turn back. You will strive for all of GOD'S BESSINGS and see GOD working in this world. You will be amazed at what HE can do and how HE can make things work.



steven
 
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