Denominational coverings

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I met a fascinating preacher the other day. He prayed for both me and my wife and I felt something like I had not felt in a very long time. A wonderful experience. During our conversation though he mentioned the covering of his particular denomination and how a group who splintered off from his church didn't even want a denominational covering which he refered to as being very dangerous. I winced a little at his use of the word covering.

Is it a good idea to have an affiliation with a larger body of believers from which to help keep you in certain boundries and have some sort of system of accountability?

I would say that is a good thing to have in deed.

However, many church denominations have taken it a step further and tried to apply a reference in Scripture as a divine sanction for denominational or pastoral oversight. I remember talking to a sweet church of God lady who's pastor had recently retired and she was fretting because as she put it..."she had lost her covering"...it was apparent she felt lost as a goose without her pastor overseeing her. I appreciate having a pastor or evena denomination who helps and encourages people in their walk and helps warn them about dangers and pitfalls they might not see on their own or deceptions they might not be aware of.

Using a Biblical mandate however to legislate a hierarchical rule over churches and people in the name of "a covering" is a complete misuse of the meaning when it is used in Scripture. It was actually a cultural superstition where they feared if women prayed without a covering on their head that angels, (mentioned in the book of Enoch) might be tempted to come down and have sexual relations with them. Rather than tempt the angels they instructed their women not to pray without a covering. Paul, respectful of their beliefs and superstitions (this particular belief being very widespread and accepted within Jewish culture) instructed them to follow their rules and customs. Preachers have extrapolated from this passage and read all sorts of things into it over the years.

While I understood and appreciated the preachers POV on the issue and I didn't offer an alternative explanation or even mention it, I thought I would mention here.

Any thoughts on the use of the word "covering?"
 

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Any preacher needs a covering. For much more than oversight. How I understand it is that it is there for help for oversight, for coming together with belkiefs that are the same but most importantly for insurance coverages, protection from takeover, etc. There are many reasons why having a fellowship of like minded churchs is good. Also the by laws and constitution of the church can go a long way to rpeventing unpleasent things as well. For instance the pastor has the right to shut all offivces down within the church if there are adverse things going on that are not right. Another provision can be that if the church dissolves then everything has to go to other churches, be surprised how that can prevent a takeover.
 
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Any preacher needs a covering. For much more than oversight. How I understand it is that it is there for help for oversight, for coming together with belkiefs that are the same but most importantly for insurance coverages, protection from takeover, etc. There are many reasons why having a fellowship of like minded churchs is good. Also the by laws and constitution of the church can go a long way to rpeventing unpleasent things as well. For instance the pastor has the right to shut all offivces down within the church if there are adverse things going on that are not right. Another provision can be that if the church dissolves then everything has to go to other churches, be surprised how that can prevent a takeover.

If you will notice, I never said the concept was a bad idea, but rather that the Scriptures concerning a "covering" should not be used to or read into meaning that it is referring to denominations or even pastors. It can be ascertained from Scripture that denominational oversight is in keeping with the New Testament model for the church, but using the heavy terminology of "a covering" is a misuse and misunderstanding of what it actually meant.
 
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In the denominational system "covering" has been confused with the need for accountability. Many Christians are holding themselves accountable to people with title and position, whether or not they are developing an ongoing transparent relationship with that person. In reality, it is not possible to be truly accountable to someone without an actively growing in relationship.

How can I be trusted to call you to account righteously if I don't love you in Christ? How can you love me with Christ-like love and not call me to account?

The bible teaches that we will give accountability TO GOD ALONE in the following areas:

* stewardship (Luke 16:2)
* ourselves (Rom. 14:12)
* fruit (Phil 4:17)
* what we do in the flesh (1 Pet. 4:5)
* leaders shall give account for the souls they watch over (Heb. 13:17)

and here is how believers,are to relate to one another...

"... all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble." (1 Peter 5:5)

true authority in the body is not inherited from a series of coverings, but from the name of Jesus
true accountability comes out of close relationship and knowledge of one another
true discernment regarding those who would speak into your life comes from the Holy Spirit.
 
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"The more powerful a Christian leader becomes, the fewer restraints that other people can put on them," said the Rev. H.B. London Jr., vice president of ministry outreach for Focus on the Family. "Some of these men and women become so powerful that no one can tell them 'no.'"

this perfectly illustrates why you should not allow yourself to be discipled by someone you do not know well - no followers? no power!
 
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The Emerging Church verses the Emergent Church seems to be the issue here. After the Catholics kicking me out because of me being a widowed Catholic who marring a Protestant, I lean towards the Emerging Church now. I'm comfortable at the Vineyard Charismatic Church, and comfortable with home study groups and prayer meetings.
 
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I agree with Lord is my Banner - we have friends who keep asking us to join them in their church - They are living opening together outside of marriage and the leader of their denomination is openly gay - why would I want to go to their church who allows their covering to be living openly in sin.

I'm not judging them individually, but denominational covering is not what it was meant to be. If we look at all the churches they are not good examples - look at the Catholic churches and the leadership in those, look at the leaders in other denominations living openly in corruption and sin - then I look at the little churches without the big covering and see some real leadership and Christian behavior.

Following under the covering of the leading of the Holy Spirit weeds out the corruption in the churches. Not the big coverings of the big churches that say do as I say, not as I do.
 
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It's good to have accountability, to be part of a community of believers for fellowship and encouragement and good solid teaching from those who have been walking with God longer than you but I think there are some wierd ideas around in some circles about this covering thing.
I have an aversion to it myself - I was in a group many years ago where the shepherd said he was my friends spiritual covering because her father wasnt a believer. There were problems with that group in terms of Biblical teaching and perhaps because of that negative association I dont like the covering doctrine. It can be used to manipulate and control if it's taken too far and when it is assumed it's not healthy.

Simple accountability to help us stay on track with God is good, doesnt have to be complicated.
 
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