My Pi challenge

I think you are being irrational

There are a couple different ways to respond to this.

1. You've only shown that it's not possible for humans to know absolute truth.

2. I can represent pi with absolute precision very easily.

driewerf said:

Pi= 3,14.

Right? No.
Pi= 3,1415?
Right? No.

Pi= 3,141592654...
Well, Pi has a infinite string of digits behind the comma.

But this makes that no one will ever be able to know or tell Pi to the full.
So, Absolute Truth is impossible.
And, as different outstanding theologians (like AV1611VET) have confirmed, God is Absolute Truth.


Hence; God is impossible.

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I think the proper conclusion here is: God ≠ Pi.

All that means is that in the decimal numbering system we use, it can't be expressed. It has a definite value, we just are unaable to express it. I'm not sure of the logical leap you make from that to God not existing.

driewerf said:

Pi= 3,14.

Right? No.
Pi= 3,1415?
Right? No.

Pi= 3,141592654...
Well, Pi has a infinite string of digits behind the comma.

But this makes that no one will ever be able to know or tell Pi to the full.
So, Absolute Truth is impossible.
And, as different outstanding theologians (like AV1611VET) have confirmed, God is Absolute Truth.


Hence; God is impossible.

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Just think of how long and how big the Bible would be had God put the true value of Pi in it. 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679
8214808651328230664709384460955058223172535940812848111745028410270193852110555964462294895493038196
4428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273
724587006606315588174881520920962829254091715364367892590360011330530548820466521384146951941511609....

Your memory verse today is 1 Kings 7:23 An estimate in this case was sufficient. After all not all arms are the same length .

AirForceTeacher said:

All that means is that in the decimal numbering system we use, it can't be expressed. It has a definite value, we just are unaable to express it. I'm not sure of the logical leap you make from that to God not existing.

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Actually, IIRC, Pi cannot be expressed in any numbering system. This is what irrational means -- it cannot be expressed as a ratio.

driewerf said:

Pi= 3,14.

Right? No.
Pi= 3,1415?
Right? No.

Pi= 3,141592654...
Well, Pi has a infinite string of digits behind the comma.

But this makes that no one will ever be able to know or tell Pi to the full.
So, Absolute Truth is impossible.
And, as different outstanding theologians (like AV1611VET) have confirmed, God is Absolute Truth.


Hence; God is impossible.

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You should go over to Yahoo Answers. You can find atheists using similarly daft arguments over there.

driewerf said:

Pi= 3,14.

Right? No.
Pi= 3,1415?
Right? No.

Pi= 3,141592654...
Well, Pi has a infinite string of digits behind the comma.

But this makes that no one will ever be able to know or tell Pi to the full.
So, Absolute Truth is impossible.
And, as different outstanding theologians (like AV1611VET) have confirmed, God is Absolute Truth.


Hence; God is impossible.

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Nope, Pi still exists, it is just that we can not completely express pi. Or perhaps one could stretch things a bit and say since we cannot express Pi numberically we do not fully comprehand Pi.

Which is no problem at all as this is what Theologians have been saying from the earliest recorded musings about God.

keith99 said:

Nope, Pi still exists.

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Or does it?

Maxwell511 said:

Or does it?

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Most mathematicians are platonists, but even the ones which aren't would say that mathematics is a formal system in which some propositions are true because they are defined to be true. One such sentence might be "Sets exist," and the rest of mathematics is a huge deductive process based upon those fundamental assumptions.

The problem platonists would have with the latter view is probably that, along with Godel's theorem, it implies that there are some mathematical propositions which are neither true nor false.

driewerf said:

Pi= 3,14.

Right? No.
Pi= 3,1415?
Right? No.

Pi= 3,141592654...
Well, Pi has a infinite string of digits behind the comma.

But this makes that no one will ever be able to know or tell Pi to the full.
So, Absolute Truth is impossible.
And, as different outstanding theologians (like AV1611VET) have confirmed, God is Absolute Truth.


Hence; God is impossible.

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I love that tricky word (highlighted in red above).
It's a great word for theists to use.
It's also a great word for non-theists to use.

And both sides have often "defined" that wonderfully tricky word to the point of meaninglessness.

Non-science thread (in the science forum) is full of non-science.

Apologetics (and its antithesis) no longer belongs on CF.

Tinker Grey said:

Actually, IIRC, Pi cannot be expressed in any numbering system. This is what irrational means -- it cannot be expressed as a ratio.

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Nah, it's easy to get an exact value for Pi.

Pi = C/D, where C is circumference and D is diameter.

Does perfection exist? And... Does God exist? are two separate questions. I don't think both can be answered with Pi either...

Tiberius said:

Nah, it's easy to get an exact value for Pi.

Pi = C/D, where C is circumference and D is diameter.

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Except that you can't measure C and D in the same units and get integer results both times. That may sound counter intuitive. The Greeks were none too happy about it either.

Tiberius said:

Nah, it's easy to get an exact value for Pi.

Pi = C/D, where C is circumference and D is diameter.

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lesliedellow said:

Except that you can't measure C and D in the same units and get integer results both times. That may sound counter intuitive. The Greeks were none too happy about it either.

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I think Tiberius was pointing out that I failed to say "cannot be expressed as a ration of two integers," which in fact was a failure on my part to be precise.

driewerf said:

Pi= 3,14.

Right? No.
Pi= 3,1415?
Right? No.

Pi= 3,141592654...
Well, Pi has a infinite string of digits behind the comma.

But this makes that no one will ever be able to know or tell Pi to the full.

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No one will ever know all the digits of pi, that's for sure.

driewerf said:

So, Absolute Truth is impossible.

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This statement is suicidal: if there are no absolute truths, then the statement "there are no absolute truths" is, by its own admission, not true. Ironically, your conclusion, "God is impossible", cannot be true by the very logic you use to conclude it!

Absolute truth most certainly is possible. It is in mathematics that we find absolute truth. The statement "Pi is irrational" is an absolutely true statement.

driewerf said:

And, as different outstanding theologians (like AV1611VET) have confirmed, God is Absolute Truth.

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Careful - insulting a specific individual in an OP is an offence worthy of the banhammer. I still bear the scars from when I learnt that lesson...

Tinker Grey said:

I think Tiberius was pointing out that I failed to say "cannot be expressed as a ration of two integers," which in fact was a failure on my part to be precise.

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Nah, I was just being smart.

Wiccan_Child said:

The statement "Pi is irrational" is an absolutely true statement.

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If Pi exists. It is not "true" if Pi does not exist. Unless we consider statements like "Leprechauns tend to where green" to be "true".

It is not as simple as you assume.

Maxwell511 said:

If Pi exists. It is not "true" if Pi does not exist. Unless we consider statements like "Leprechauns tend to where green" to be "true".

It is not as simple as you assume.

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Philosophers need to have their heads examined sometimes. Pi is liberally sprinkled throughout mathematics and physics, but some philosophers are not too sure it exists!