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C'mon Biblewriter, be honest now...there is not ONE scripture stating any of what you stated. The PREtrib rapture is just made up on assumptions based on misunderstandings of certain scriptures that are talking about the only 'return' of Christ, Christ talked about...

Every single verse you stated said zero about a PREtrib rapture, zilch. Every single verse you used was talking about the coming of the Lord. You were the one who inserted that it was PREtrib. Everywhere where Jesus, Peter, Paul mentions the coming of the Lord...it was clearly AFTER the trib...be objective now...

You appear to have missed the point of my original two-part answer in posts 5 and 6 of this thread, if you read it.

The point of this answer was that there are numerous details surrounding the prophecies about the coming of the Lord that would be contradictory if He was only coming one more time.

Now we know that the word of God never contradicts itself. And we have the precedent of the Old Testament prophecies to guide us. The Old Testament prophets told of a glorious conquering Messiah, and also told of a suffering sacrificial Messiah. The key to this apparent contradiction was that He was coming more than one more time. That precedent tells us that the key to the apparent contradictions in the unfulfilled prophecies about his future coming is just the same, that He is coming more than one more time.

You fail to see this for two reasons. First, you assume that the various terms for a future coming are all just synonyms, and second, you fail to notice the fine details of these prophecies which would be contradictory if He was only coming one more time.
 
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Hi DD:



You are touching on a Topic that the typical professing Christian has DEAD WRONG. The truth is so very different from the errant interpretations of those blinded by Denominationalism (Roman Catholicism, Greek Orthodoxy and Protestantism) that I have serious doubt that most of you will even begin to understand my commentary on this Rapture Topic.
In Christ Jesus,

Terral

My God.. I have left CF for a few years and come back to find Terral the next Joseph Smith. All the denominations are wrong and we simply lack the understanding you do.. maybe next you will tell us you prayed to God on what church to join and he told you that all of them were tools of Satan? Then you were visited by the Angel Chartoni, who reveals to you about the Book of Pauline Dispensational charts and how to restore Christ's gospel? Here comes the gold plates....

Uff Da. :crossrc:
 
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Hi Scott:

My God.. I have left CF for a few years and come back to find Terral the next Joseph Smith. All the denominations are wrong and we simply lack the understanding you do..

Hey! We agree on something after all these years! :clap::clap:

... maybe next you will tell us you prayed to God on what church to join and he told you that all of them were tools of Satan?

Here is 'The Mystery of Iniquity' Explained for the benefit of these CF.com readers:

1. Christ foretold that the 'many' are on the road to destruction and that only the 'few' are on the path to life. Matt. 7:13-14.

2. Christ also foretold that only the 'few' are being saved. Luke 13:23-25.

3. Paul predicts that 'servants of righteousness' will serve their 'angel of light' and "whose ends shall be according to their deeds." 2Cor. 11:14-15.

4. Paul predicts that in these latter times concerning 'doctrines of demons' among those who 'forbid marriage' (Catholic priests) and abstain from foods (Lent). 1Tim. 4:1-3.

5. Our Gospel (#2*) is veiled to those who are 'perishing' (2Cor. 4:3-4), because you mix the 'Two Gospels' (my Topic*) and the 'Two Churches' (my Topic) and the 'Four Baptisms' (my Topic) together in complete ignorance of 'the truth' of God's Living Word. BTW, the date on that Baptisms Topic is from September of 2004. No, there is not one soul on this Board ready to debate me on any of these very important 'Dispensational' Topics. ZERO ...

6. The "Mystery of Iniquity" teaches that for every precept of Kingdom Doctrine (for the Bride) and Grace Doctrine (for the Body) there are antithesis doctrines for the sons of disobedience baptized into a body of Antichrist, which is a 'heavenly man' (666) shown on the left side of this diagram:

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7. Those blinded by 'Denominationalism' (Mystery of Iniquity) are mixing the testimony of the 'three witnesses' (Spirit, Blood and Water) together in complete error, because the 'first veil' and 'second veil' within 'antichrist in you' (Fig 3) are BROKEN.

8. Your Bible has 'Two Testaments,' but my Bible has 'three witnesses' of Spirit, Blood and Water like this:

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9. I know for A FACT that Paul's Gospel (#2) is for the mystery Body of Christ (Church #2), because everything pertaining to "The Mystery" is contained within the "Two Veils" depicted in this diagram. The 'Gospel of the Kingdom' (#1) is for Peter's and Elijah's "Prophetic Kingdom Bride," which is Church #1.

10. The two oldest remaining civilizations from Daniel's vision are the Greeks and the Romans (Babylonians and Media Persians were #1 and #2). The Greek Orthodox and Roman Catholic Churches are 'two witnesses' of Spirit (Greek) and Water (Roman) that preexist the third Blood Witness that enlarges to become modern-day Protestantism.

The Rapture Topic is really very simple:

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A. Christ (Matthew 24) is describing how the 1000 Year Day of the Lord (in blue) ENDS at the END of the Age (Matt. 24:3), which Daniel prophesies about in Daniel 12.

B. Paul (1Cor. 15:51-53, 1Thes. 4:15-17) is describing how the same 1000 Year Day of the Lord 'BEGINS' some 1000 years EARLIER.

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C. The 1000 Year Day of the Lord (in blue again) is just 'now' about to B.E.G.I.N with the Rapture of our Mystery Church (#2), but the majority here distorts the 'wisdom given him' (Paul) to your 'own destruction' (2Peter 3:14-16*), even though I show you all of 'these things*' using Scripture and a multitude of diagrams ...

In Christ Jesus,

Terral
 
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Why do you believe that 1 Thess refers to a pretribulational rapture of the Church?

The entire passage which includes 1 Thes 5 shows us that the rapture of the church is pre-Day of the Lord (which you believe is the tribulation but in actually it is the wrath of God) and it is imminent.


13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
1But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. 11Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
 
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Hi DD:



You are touching on a Topic that the typical professing Christian has DEAD WRONG. The truth is so very different from the errant interpretations of those blinded by Denominationalism (Roman Catholicism, Greek Orthodoxy and Protestantism) that I have serious doubt that most of you will even begin to understand my commentary on this Rapture Topic.
In Christ Jesus,

Terral

There is absolutely no pint whatsoever in posting things that mot people will "even begin to understand."


"...except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air." 1 Corinthians 14:9

"... forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church." 1 Corinthians 14:12
 
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