The Law of 10 Commandments has NO TRUTH

gideon army · Aug 19, 2010

John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Many Law advocators must have missed the above, Scriptures tells us that Grace (Unearned/ Unmerited/ Underserved Full Free Favors from GOD) comes not on the side of Law but it's via Christ, of whom is He also Grace & Truth. Therefore God's Breath telling us the Believers that Law has NO Truth in it or whatsoever :doh:

A lot of Christian does not know how to Rightly Divide the Word of Christo by confining them to Pre Cross & Post Cross

Ever wondered how why Apostle Paul whom was circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. Phl 3:5-6 which i am very sure, NONE Law Advocators here can come close to the great apostle Paul but yet paul counted all the above 'Qualification' pertaining to the Law as DUNG Phl 3:6

Believe that all would agree that since paul was the only apostle deem fit by Christ to spread HIS (Christ's) Gospel (Written 70% of NT) , then believe also that all would agree that paul was specifically chosen simply because paul has full knowledge of the Scriptures (OT) for he's trained hence in better position to compare & contrast with the Shadows (OT) against the Substance (NT).

One can't know the full Measure of the Law nor respect it if one doesn't have a full revelation Knowledge of Christ or His Work in Grace. Imagine when paul had 'slight' revelation knowledge of Christ, paul acknowledge himself as The Least of ALL the Apostles 1 Cr 5:9 When paul had more revelation knowledge of Jesus, he labelled himself as the Least of all the Saints (living Christians who knows that they are Saints not via works but thru belief/faith that they are Righteous via Jesus's Blood) Eph 3:8 When paul has a full revelation of Jesus & the unbending Law in GOD & Jesus's estimation, paul calls himself the GREATEST Sinner 1 Ti 1:15 Wow, isn't this a Great Revelation?

Paul was baptized & accepted Christ when the scales via the Law fell off his eyes Acts 9:18 Ever wondered what is paul secret? How does one continue in this faith thru Christ if it's NOT via Law? Apostle Peter sums it up best via the Holy Spirit that Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord 2 Peter 1:2 Praise Jesus, can one ever have enough Grace & Shalom (All encompassing Wholeness/ Physical Well Being/ True Wealth in Body/ Work & Home front), how does this come about? Via Law & self Works? No of cos Not, GOD Forbid but it's via the Knowledge of GOD & Jesus right?

Then how does one live a christian life if Law is Bad? Is it not written that For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. Romans 8:2 Ever wondered what a victorious Chapter 8 of Romans is? It opens up with No Condemnation & Ends with NO Seperation for the Believer who is In Christ & NO where you can find it attributing to Word of the Law -Hallelujah

However if one interested to know how to start a Sins Revival in the Church, then bring in the Law which is guaranteed to deliver a slow death (in their work/ body & home) which Scriptures calls it a Ministry of Death 2 Cr 3:7 for it was writtenThe sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law 1 Cr 15:56 Therefore you'll find lots of Law Breakers believers in a Church where they preach Law which is slowly but surely Killing it's believers

ozell · Aug 19, 2010

Jn 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Jesus words are

Mt 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

7: And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18: He saith unto him, Which?

Jesus said,

Thou shalt do no murder,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19: Honour thy father and thy mother: and,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

who words are these?
Jesus

Jesus words are thuth!!

DrFrank · Aug 19, 2010

It's sickening to see people engaging in outrageous false teachings to sell their own religion.

The Bible is filled (596 references) with information about God's laws.Here is one of the first and last such verses in the New Testament.

Matthew 5:18

For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. (Jesus speaking)

Revelation 15:5

After this, I noticed something else in heaven. The Temple of the Tabernacle of the Testimony was open. (This is where the 10 Commandments are stored)

So here is what it comes down to is this:WHO WILL YOU BELIEVE,GOD OR MAN?

ozell · Aug 19, 2010

DrFrank said:
It's sickening to see people engaging in outrageous false teachings to sell their own religion.

The Bible is filled (596 references) with information about God's laws.Here is one of the first and last such verses in the New Testament.

Matthew 5:18

For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. (Jesus speaking)

Revelation 15:5

After this, I noticed something else in heaven. The Temple of the Tabernacle of the Testimony was open. (This is where the 10 Commandments are stored)

So here is what it comes down to is this:WHO WILL YOU BELIEVE,GOD OR MAN?

gideon army · Aug 19, 2010

DrFrank said:
It's sickening to see people engaging in outrageous false teachings to sell their own religion.

Wow, strong words from somebody whom is very obvious knows nothing about Law & Grace :doh:

DrFrank said:
The Bible is filled (596 references) with information about God's laws.Here is one of the first and last such verses in the New Testament.
Matthew 5:18
For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. (Jesus speaking)

Phew, are you saying that Jesus did a lousy job in fulfilling the 10 Commandments on all menkind behalf? He fulfilled it & addressed all of Daddy GOD holiness & righteousness via the Law by having HIS Broken broken & Cursed so that those who believe would never be.

Now, Scriptures says that 1st Adam sinned & cause all menkind to be sinful, Scriptures also stated that Christ is the last adam hence all whom believe in HIM are given HIS Gift of Righteousness- now don't know if it's too deep for you, what sort of GIFT & can it be called a GIFT if the recipient can loose it to the GIVER :doh:

In case you are still lost, are you advocating that you are the CHRIST in coming to fulfill the 10 Commandments?

DrFrank said:
Revelation 15:5

After this, I noticed something else in heaven. The Temple of the Tabernacle of the Testimony was open. (This is where the 10 Commandments are stored)

Now, why was the Ark of the Covenant made? Is it not to contain 3 items/token of Sinful Men's rebellion against a Holy GOD?

(1) Men rejection of GOD's Grace & prefers HIM to judge men on their merits versus GOD's goodness (pls read your scriptures, make it much simple for you, read pre sinai & post sinai. Before men boasted of their ability to keep GOD's word, none died when complaining against GOD. After they boasted of their ability to keep GOD's Command, ALL DIED after complaining-guess you didn't read this :doh:

) hence the giving of 10 commandments

(2) The Golden Pot of Manna which is a token of Men rejection of GOD's Provision

(3) The Rod of Aaron that Buded which is a token of Men rejection of GOD appointed Leadership

(A) Do you or make that, have you not read how the ppl died when they open the Cover of the Ark of the Covenant?

(B) Have you not read that Blood of the Sacrificial Bull has to sprinkled on the MERCY SEAT which is the top cover of the ark yearly for the children of Israel to be forgiven & their sins covered year to year?

Now with all the above furnished details, can you not see that GOD's Heart is in loving men instead of the Law which only curses when one observe (Inwardly & outwardly plus GOD doesn't judge on the curve, fail 1, you fail ALL) & blesses when one is able to keep the 10 Commandments perfectly (Inwardly & outwardly) hence Christ needs to come & fulfill the 10 Commandment for all believers as the believers Representative (Lamb of GOD)

DrFrank said:
So here is what it comes down to is this:WHO WILL YOU BELIEVE,GOD OR MAN?

Now now, would appreciate you be well versed in the Scriptures before harping on things that is obviously way above your head & ability to understand.

However pertaining to above question, i know that am listening to GOD. Can't say the same for you thought, it's a pity for am sure you didn't read that the devil who is using the Law of GOD to come before you in accusing you when if you are a born again Christian & IN Christ, then you wouldn't be advocating for the Law like all the children of Israel under the foot of Mount Sinai or the Pharisees whom have degraded the Laws of GOD to what's 'achievable' to your lowly standards :amen:

gideon army · Aug 19, 2010

ozell said:
Jn 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Jesus words are

Mt 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

7: And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18: He saith unto him, Which?

Jesus said,

Thou shalt do no murder,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19: Honour thy father and thy mother: and,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

who words are these?
Jesus

Jesus words are thuth!!

Wow your memory lapse seem worse then i remembered :doh:

You posted this not too long ago :-

ozell said:
true Holiness is when we get our eternal life if we make the first resurrection.

one came to Jesus asking about living forever(eternal life)

Mt 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

Jesus said

17: And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Holiness is obtained by keeping the commandments.

Jesus kept the commandments and was raised from the dead to eternal
life

Of which i reminded you with this:-

gideon army said:
Amen brudder

Please allow me to contribute:-

1 Cr 15:56 The sting of death [is] sin, and the strength of sin [is] the law.

Therefore only those who esteem highly of themselves will think that they have something to add into the FINISHED work of Christ on the Cross

Little do these ppl know that they are putting themselves back into a Ministry of Death via the Law & fall under all the CURSES of the OT plus subject themselves back into Bondage when they negate the work of Christ & insult the Spirit of GRACE (UNEARNED/ Unmerited/ Underserved full free favors of Daddy GOD)

LIkewise there's so many BLIND leading the BLIND that both fall into the ditch by using the following:-

Matthew 19:16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, "Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?"

Matthew 19:17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one [is] good but One, [that is], God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

'Common worldly' interpretation of the above scriptures without REVELATION will cite this as an example to 'attain' eternal life & be pleasing to GOD. It Couldn't be further fm the Truth, why? Bolded & Underline will give some hints as this guy do not take/nor recieve Jesus as fm GOD or God which leaves Jesus to rebuke him in Matt 19:17 apart fm boasting of his commandments keeping

Mark 10:17 Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, "Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?"

Mark 10:18 So Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one [is] good but One, [that is], God.

Ok there you go, Mark's account, now let's see

Luke 18:18 Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, "Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"

Luke 18:19 So Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one [is] good but One, [that is], God.

Now, if those who use these as Jesus advocating proverty is good or that we need to give everything then tell me, is Abraham/ Issac/Jacob/ Joseph/ Boaz / David/ Solomon all Ungodly? Did Satan prospered them & got them to hold onto their wealth?

The revelation is that the biggest Gift which is eternal, comes fm us believing Christ is LORD & we're sinners then we have our Daddy Gift of Righteousness thru Christ- what is a GIFT if it's Conditional & NOT Eternal? DEEP for some i believe

Not only your understanding of Scriptures are severely lacking but as stated above, my great grandmum memory is much better than yous

Enuf said

SoundCard · Aug 20, 2010

John 15:17 NIV
17This is my command: Love each other.

ozell · Aug 20, 2010

SoundCard said:
John 15:17 NIV
17This is my command: Love each other.

how do we love each other?

ozell · Aug 20, 2010

the payment of sin is death

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Sin according to the bible is this

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

the Law according to the bible is this

Ex 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Deut 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Deut 10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

Jesus told Adam and Eve

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Gen 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

1Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

the wages of sin is death

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Sin is the breaking of God's law

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

the Law is
1: And God spake all these words, saying,

3: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness
of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

7: Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

8: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

12: Honour thy father and thy mother: .

13: Thou shalt not kill.

14: Thou shalt not commit adultery.

15: Thou shalt not steal.

16: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

17: Thou shalt not covet

NatalieJan777 · Aug 20, 2010

So GOD and HIS WAYS are not the TRUTH?

Deuteronomy 26:16-18 The LORD your God commands you this day to follow these decrees and laws; carefully observe them with all your heart and with all your soul. You have declared this day that the LORD is your God and that you will walk in his ways, that you will keep his decrees, commands and laws, and that you will obey him. And the LORD has declared this day that you are his people, his treasured possession as he promised, and that you are to keep all his commands.

Jeremiah 9:11-14 "I will make Jerusalem a heap of ruins, a haunt of jackals; and I will lay waste the towns of Judah so no one can live there." What man is wise enough to understand this? Who has been instructed by the LORD and can explain it? Why has the land been ruined and laid waste like a desert that no one can cross? The LORD said, "It is because they have forsaken my law, which I set before them; they have not obeyed me or followed my law. Instead, they have followed the stubbornness of their hearts; they have followed the Baals, as their fathers taught them."

Hebrews 10:16 "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."

Ezekiel 36:22-32 "Therefore say to the house of Israel, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am going to do these things, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone. I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD, declares the Sovereign LORD, when I show myself holy through you before their eyes. "'For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. You will live in the land I gave your forefathers; you will be my people, and I will be your God. will save you from all your uncleanness. I will call for the grain and make it plentiful and will not bring famine upon you. I will increase the fruit of the trees and the crops of the field, so that you will no longer suffer disgrace among the nations because of famine. Then you will remember your evil ways and wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign LORD. Be ashamed and disgraced for your conduct, O house of Israel!"

Matthew 5:17-20 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."

John 7:17 If anyone chooses to do God's will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.

1 John 5:3-6 This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God. This is the one who came by water and blood--Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.

Revelation 12:17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring--those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

judah israel · Aug 21, 2010

DrFrank said:
It's sickening to see people engaging in outrageous false teachings to sell their own religion.

The Bible is filled (596 references) with information about God's laws.Here is one of the first and last such verses in the New Testament.

Matthew 5:18

For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. (Jesus speaking)

Revelation 15:5

After this, I noticed something else in heaven. The Temple of the Tabernacle of the Testimony was open. (This is where the 10 Commandments are stored)

So here is what it comes down to is this:WHO WILL YOU BELIEVE,GOD OR MAN?

A-men and A-men!!

Peace

gideon army · Aug 23, 2010

ozell said:
the payment of sin is death
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Oh you mean that you've actually read the above? Have you not also read the earlier portion of Rom 6?

To you Ozell /Nat/ Judahisrael & whoever advocates the Law, know you not :-

Luke 16:15 And He said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God.

Know you not that in the OT if the believer sins, he/she is known as blackslidden, however in the NT

Gal 5:4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

Then again believe you also might have difficuties understanding the above?

NatalieJan777 said:
So GOD and HIS WAYS are not the TRUTH?

NatalieJan777 said:
Deuteronomy 26:16-18 The LORD your God commands you this day to follow these decrees and laws; carefully observe them with all your heart and with all your soul. You have declared this day that the LORD is your God and that you will walk in his ways, that you will keep his decrees, commands and laws, and that you will obey him. And the LORD has declared this day that you are his people, his treasured possession as he promised, and that you are to keep all his commands.

Are you saying that Jesus did a lousy Job in fulfilling the above on all believers behalf?

NatalieJan777 said:
Jeremiah 9:11-14 "I will make Jerusalem a heap of ruins, a haunt of jackals; and I will lay waste the towns of Judah so no one can live there." What man is wise enough to understand this? Who has been instructed by the LORD and can explain it? Why has the land been ruined and laid waste like a desert that no one can cross? The LORD said, "It is because they have forsaken my law, which I set before them; they have not obeyed me or followed my law. Instead, they have followed the stubbornness of their hearts; they have followed the Baals, as their fathers taught them."

Have you not read:-

Jer 31:33 "But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Jer 31:34 "No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

Which is a Reality for The Believers in Christ in NT

Hbr 8:13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

NatalieJan777 said:
Hebrews 10:16 "This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds."

Ops, actually you know how to search & quote verses but still NOT understanding the Scriptures :doh:

Do you not know that the aove speaks of Daddy GOD doing? It's not you & please don't flatter yourself by thinking ONUS lies with the Believer. It's all HIM doing HIS work in the Believer.

It is also written that it's the Goodness of GOD that leads one into repentence. Wonder if you can understand & have read before how Peter Accepted Christ.

Was it not the Goodness of GOD/Christ Giving Peter a Boat Sinking/ Net Breaking loads of fishes when they caught Nothing after toiling all night (Prosperity) & then peter ask Christ to leave him for he is a sinful man?

Was not also not the Goodness of Christ/God to Peter after Peter denied knowing Jesus with cursing & swearing that lead peter to repentence (change of Mind)?

Therefore yours & that of your group of Law advocators are flawed in thinking that you can obtain righteousness via the Law when scriptures have been consistantly showing that all the best failed & it's only via the believer acceptance of HIS Gift of Righteousness apart from the Law that makes the Believer Righteous & have perfect standing before Daddy GOD!

exhortor · Aug 25, 2010

If you love God with all your heart, mind and soul,
and love your neighbor as yourself, then you will never break the ten commandments

gideon army · Aug 25, 2010

exhortor said:
If you love God with all your heart, mind and soul,
and love your neighbor as yourself, then you will never break the ten commandments

Question:- Who can you tell me that can love GOD with all their heart/mind & soul? I know all the best throughout scriptures failed

Nobody, absolutely No one alive nor dead can ever fulfilll the 10 Commandments except Christ Himself which He fulfilled it on the Cross hence magnifying GOD's Righteousness / Holiness via the Law for all men that have lived since Adam till the very last men whom will ever live

The Law of the 10 Commandments basically pre-supposes men ability to fulfill when throughout the 1400-1500 years since Mount Sinai till the coming of Christ which have proven NONE can

(Unless you can prove otherwise that Scriptures are a lie?)

Do you understand the Law via GOD's Standards? may i be allowed to show you Jesus's standards Instead?

Matt 5:27 "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.'

Matt 5:28 "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Then believe you've also read how Jesus's solution to one's body parts if they've sinned? May i be allowed to bring to your remembrence?

Mark 9:43 "If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched

Mark 9:45 "And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched

Mark 9:47 "And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire

Now compare & contrast with Jesus's Standards of GOD's Holy Law of the 10 Commandments against those self Righteous Jerks in the Pharisees & Scribes whom have lowered GOD's Standards to what is achievable Those that advocate the Law are like the Pharisees of Jesus's time for they know NOTHING of GOD's Holiness as it's Inward & not just outward hence these Law Advocators CHEAPEN/ Degrade & make a mockery out of GOD's Perfect Just & Holy Law of the 10 Commandments

Anything else that i might have left out? Ops yes i left out the great apostle paul whom wrote 70% of the NT & also known as THE Apostle of Grace saying this:-

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "You shall not covet."

Romans 7:8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead.

Romans 7:9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died.

Romans 7:10 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death.

Wow, isn't this spectacular? In case you think apostle paul is a sloppy guy, then may i bring to your remembrence :-

Phl 3:4 though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so:

Phl 3:5 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee;

Phl 3:6 concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

Phl 3:7 But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ.

Hallelujah, whom you know are of Paul's standard & pedigree?

Enuf Said

NatalieJan777 · Sep 5, 2010

gideon army said:
Question:- Who can you tell me that can love GOD with all their heart/mind & soul? I know all the best throughout scriptures failed

Ezekiel 14:13-14 "Son of man, if a country sins against me by being unfaithful and I stretch out my hand against it to cut off its food supply and send famine upon it and kill its men and their animals, even if these three men--Noah, Daniel and Job--were in it, they could save only themselves by their righteousness, declares the Sovereign LORD.

It appears the word of GOD claims differently than you ....

It also claims that no one but HIM knows a mans heart, so I wonder how it is that you know that all have failed in pleasing HIM?

1 Samuel 16:7 But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

Jesus says the following:

Matthew 5:6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.

Yet you claim it to be impossible and thus call Jesus a liar.

ILoveTheTruthJC · Sep 5, 2010

NatalieJan777 said:
Ezekiel 14:13-14 "Son of man, if a country sins against me by being unfaithful and I stretch out my hand against it to cut off its food supply and send famine upon it and kill its men and their animals, even if these three men--Noah, Daniel and Job--were in it, they could save only themselves by their righteousness, declares the Sovereign LORD.

It appears the word of GOD claims differently than you ....

It also claims that no one but HIM knows a mans heart, so I wonder how it is that you know that all have failed in pleasing HIM?

1 Samuel 16:7 But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

Jesus says the following:

Matthew 5:6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled.

Yet you claim it to be impossible and thus call Jesus a liar.

You are wrong!! False witness of a false gospel based on works!!!

This verse applies to you!

Romans 10:3 Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness.

Steve Petersen · Sep 5, 2010

Back to the OP:

If you take a literal word for word rendering of the verse you cited you will note that the word 'but' is not there; it was supplied by the translators. Thus:

For the law through Moses was given, the grace and the truth through Jesus the Messiah did come. (John 1:1, Young's Literal Translation)

If this is an example of Hebrew parallelism, then John is actually equating the Law with grace and truth.

New Testament scholar Raymond Brown has suggested that, "It is perhaps best to see verse 17 as an editorial explanation of 16." Verse 16 states, "For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace." The word grace is used here twice indicating that both Messiah and Torah are examples of grace (Brown, The Gospel According to John I-XII, 16.) Bruce Moore writes, "The repetition is not for emphasis, but to indicate an increasing quantity." Grace increases when we add in Messiah but that grace is built upon the Torah (Bruce Moore, Doublets in the New Testament ((Dallas, TX: Summer Institute of Linguistics, 1993), 34.))

7angel · Sep 5, 2010

gideon army said:
John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Many Law advocators must have missed the above, Scriptures tells us that Grace (Unearned/ Unmerited/ Underserved Full Free Favors from GOD) comes not on the side of Law but it's via Christ, of whom is He also Grace & Truth. Therefore God's Breath telling us the Believers that Law has NO Truth in it or whatsoever

The Parable of the Good Samaritan is one of the best known parables of Jesus - told in the Gospel of Luke, chapter 10, verses 25 to 37.

The parable is told by Jesus to illustrate that charity and compassion are the virtues that will guide men to godliness and holiness.

Also teaches that meet the spirit of the law, love, - is much more important than adhering to the letter of the law.

Love then is the spirit of the law - it must manifest itself in the works - because faith without works is dead.

I repeat - LOVE IS THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW - what is the difference?

Jesus fulfilled the whole law, but not the obligation under the law - but for love of God and your neighbor as yourself -

WHY TO LOVE GOD AND NEIGHBOR AS HIMSELF - - satisfy any applicable law

gideon army · Sep 6, 2010

7angel said:
The Parable of the Good Samaritan is one of the best known parables of Jesus - told in the Gospel of Luke, chapter 10, verses 25 to 37.

The parable is told by Jesus to illustrate that charity and compassion are the virtues that will guide men to godliness and holiness.

Revelation Knowledge for you

The Good Samaritan is Jesus Himself & the Inn Keeper is the Holy Spirit

Please don't flatter yourself- together with 90% of Christiandom, the Scriptures are all about Himself. On what Authority am i saying this?

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.

Basically it the whole OT & NT, if you only read carefully & slowly with the Help of the Holy Spirit then you'll have a Revelation Knowledge of Jesus Himself. It is all about Him Alone,

(1) How much He loves us
(2) what He is always willing to DO FOR us
(3) How HE has been suffering for us
(4) How long He'll continue waiting for us
(5) What Power HE has given to us & Much more

gideon army · Sep 6, 2010

ILoveTheTruthJC said:
You are wrong!! False witness of a false gospel based on works!!!

This verse applies to you!

Romans 10:3 Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness.

With you bro hence Scriptures are fulfilled:-

Matt 13:15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.'

Healing for Lack/ Proverty/ Sickness/ Jobless & So much more

The Law of 10 Commandments has NO TRUTH

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