Why I think gay marriage has no future.

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Good points.

I've always known that it has more to do with a political agenda then civil rights

Keri said:

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Its happening and it's going to happen. Like it or not.

um heterosexual marriage has been regarded as wrong by governments (Claudius II, anyone?) and religious organisations. The Shakers, for example did not respect the institute of marrage between a man and woman and saw it as a fundamental flaw in a person if they married, because being single was considered a holier state.

but honestly I don't think gay marriage is something that should concern Christians. Not because I don't believe it has a future. On the contrary, I believe its going to flourish worldwide. But Its nothing new, and Gods definition of marriage won't be harmed at all. Its just sinners giving into their sin.

If we try to legislate our own morality on them and force it on them, we're not helping them. We're certainly not bringing them any closer to God. We're just forcing them to outwardly conform to a model that makes *us* comfortable. Its not addressing the central issue that they are sinners in need of a Saviour. And our commission was the gospel, not legislation and not Christianizing the world.

They'll still be gay with or without a legal right to marry, they'll still have partners. They'll likely even have commitment ceremonies in place of legally recognized marriage ceremonies. Nothing will be different. They just won't be legally recognized by the government.

radhead said:

I don't think that Christians even need to worry about fighting this cause. It goes against the inner consciousness of every human being on the planet, regardless of how they feel.

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Indeed how dare them homosexuals want the same level of recognition of their committed relationships that everyone else receives, from a secular state that claims to treat all equally.

Well, they won't procreate like normal marriages.

DesertSky said:

Well, they won't procreate like normal marriages.

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because procreation is soo integral to marriages in this day and age.

radhead said:

The problem with that argument is that racism and sexism were evil. Racism and sexism have always been known to be evil.

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No, they weren't always known to be evil. In fact many people traditionally thought that racism and sexism were the natural order of things, and many of those people have used scripture to back that up.

DesertSky said:

Well, they won't procreate like normal marriages.

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You showed them! They can't make babies, what losers!

radhead said:

No true Christian would use scripture to support them, in my opinion.

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Your opinion doesn't line up with fact or history unfortunately.

radhead said:

No true Christian would use scripture to support them, in my opinion.

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But what is the difference between sexism/racism and homophobia? They're both choosing to discriminate against another persn based on arbitrary factors like race, gender and sexual orientation.

Racism and sexism were obviously accepted in Western society for hundreds of years. Not that I favor gay marriage, but I don't like it when people make obviously wrong statements to oppose it. Frankly, I think the government should get out of the marriage business. It's obvious it's not working.

TBH, I do not feel totally comfortable with the way a segment (certainly not all) of the gay population has resorted to 'Gay is the New Black'. I see the comparison; and certainly, I don't think there is any real moral or constitutional reasoning to ban gay marriage; but misappropriating an experience that is not yours is not respectful.

You can't really compare the gay movement for civil marriage is not the same as minorities fighting against segregation or Apartheid. There was an ad that ran in our province or city that featured images of separate water fountains, buses, payphones for gays and straights. I do see what they were trying to, but it was offensive. It might've been a powerful image, but hopping on the bandwagon of another minority struggle almost makes light of the unique challenges faced by racial minorities.

And whadyaknow? I tend to vote Liberal.

At the same time, with the bang-up job straights have done with marriage - a 50% divorce rate, remarriages being commonplace - we do not have a right to monopolize marriages all for ourselves. I'm not criticizing those who get divorced or remarried; but certainly if a good majority of us straights are not living or upholding 'till death do us part', why should we be witholding that oppurtunity from same-sex couples? Who's to say they won't do a better job of upholding the sanctity of marriage than we have?

DesertSky said:

Well, they won't procreate like normal marriages.

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a) Lots of hetero unions don't prove fruitful.

b) Gays can adopt if they so choose.

I fail to see any state interest in the regulation of marriage. Other than it's become a huge tax burden to the public in dealing with divorce. But if we're going to have it, don't see any reason to exclude gays. Or polygamists for that matter, since the issue is bound to come up sooner or later in this topic. You know, if you're in one of those "genetic sexual attraction" relationships and wanna marry your sister, that's no affair of mine either.
Who knows, maybe if homosexual relationships could proceed to marriage it would have a limiting effect on homosexual promiscuity that conservatives seem to lament.

At the same time, with the bang-up job straights have done with marriage - a 50% divorce rate, remarriages being commonplace - we do not have a right to monopolize marriages all for ourselves. I'm not criticizing those who get divorced or remarried; but certainly if a good majority of us straights are not living or upholding 'till death do us part', why should we be witholding that oppurtunity from same-sex couples? Who's to say they won't do a better job of upholding the sanctity of marriage than we have?

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Isn't kind of funny? People who oppose same sex marriage often scream that if gays and lesbians are allowed to be married it will destroy marriage, yet heterosexuals have been destroying marriage for some time now.

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