They won't build it! Hardhats vow not to work on controversial mosque

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Their right to decide what project they want to work on and for whom,

That right wasn't trampled on. If the contractor is getting other people who will work, so what. These workers chose not to do the job, so how is their rights being trampled on.

and their right not to have their own money withheld from them without due process, and their right to equal protection under the law.

Unemployment is for people who can't find work and are actively seeking employment; these people had a job and chose to quit the job. They weren't fired, they decided to quit. Why should I have to pay for their decision to quit?

Except that we're not talking about the Army. Contracts are generally made with contractors (hence the name), and companies, not with individual workers.

Semantics. You get hired to do a job and you refuse to do that job, you don't get paid.
 
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So, they will bring worker from elsewhere. It is their choice not to work, and not to be paid. In this economy I am sure they will find enough people willing to work on it.

And this is not being built on sacred ground like the hardhat claims, it is two blocks from ground zero.

You do realize this will be a "trophy" symbol of conquest, do you not? It has always been done throughout history. A Mosque is raised after a triumph.
 
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That right wasn't trampled on. If the contractor is getting other people who will work, so what. These workers chose not to do the job, so how is their rights being trampled on.



Unemployment is for people who can't find work and are actively seeking employment; these people had a job and chose to quit the job. They weren't fired, they decided to quit. Why should I have to pay for their decision to quit?



Semantics. You get hired to do a job and you refuse to do that job, you don't get paid.

In spite of the fact that the job is morally reprehensible, and is a spit in the face to Americans? Really?
 
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A growing number of New York construction workers are vowing not to work on the mosque planned near Ground Zero.


I'd not work on it either.

I don't blame them - I'd, too, be worried for my life if I worked on it.

Worried one of the Christo-fascist nutjobs protesting it might just decide to take a page from Roeder's book and bring one of their little guns they so love, over to the construction site and show the "muslim-lovers" how things work in the Good Ol' "United Christian Republik of America".
 
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You're advocating a violation of their rights.
That isn't true.

So then, if they choose to work on job "A" over job "B", if the day ever comes that they are unemployed, they should not receive the benefits they have paid for because they choose to work on a project you do not approve of?
No, they are not entitled to collect unemployment benefits if work is still available at job "B" and they refuse it. If job "B" is not available to them nor any other job they apply for, then they would be entitled to collect. The rules are clear on that.

Let's say the situation is reversed. Let's say that they are eager to build the Muslim Victory Center and some politician proposes legislation that says that if they build the Muslim Victory Center they should not be entitled to collect unemployment, should they ever lose their jobs. Would you support that?
If they refuse to work on another job because it is not a Muslim job, then of course they could not collect unemployment benefits.

Strikers do not get unemployment benefits.
 
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I've had it with the bigotry and ignorance shown in these threads. I keep hoping that you will actually grow-up but I now realise that it is unlikely. I am taking a rest from this place before I say something I might regret. Keep your bigotry and hatred, the only one's you're actually hurting is you, you just can't see it.
 
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In spite of the fact that the job is morally reprehensible, and is a spit in the face to Americans? Really?
Building a community center meant as a reconciliation is morally repugnant? Really?
 
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Building a community center meant as a reconciliation is morally repugnant? Really?

Let me ask you this: if it's meant as a "reconcilation", then why is it named after a city that the Muslims conquered, destroyed, and massacred the infidels there? You really don't think that's meant to send a message?

Furthermore, if they're really interested in "reconcilation", then why are they so determined to twist this knife in the wounds of those who lived through 9/11 and those who lost loved ones?

Would you support Germany attempting to "reconcile" with Jews for their acts in WWII by building a camp with guards and razor wire in downtown Jerusalem and calling it Auschwitz?
 
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Let me ask you this: if it's meant as a "reconcilation", then why is it named after a city that the Muslims conquered, destroyed, and massacred the infidels there? You really don't think that's meant to send a message?

Furthermore, if they're really interested in "reconcilation", then why are they so determined to twist this knife in the wounds of those who lived through 9/11 and those who lost loved ones?

Would you support Germany attempting to "reconcile" with Jews for their acts in WWII by building a camp with guards and razor wire in downtown Jerusalem and calling it Auschwitz?

Funny you bring up Germany and Auschwitz. You know what was allowed right next to Auschwitz death camp just a decade or so after WWII? A German cultural display. Funny how the people that went throug hso many horrors were capable of allowing that, and yet so many people here today are not.
 
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Funny you bring up Germany and Auschwitz. You know what was allowed right next to Auschwitz death camp just a decade or so after WWII? A German cultural display. Funny how the people that went throug hso many horrors were capable of allowing that, and yet so many people here today are not.

So then, you support them doing that?
 
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Unfortunately, Muslims tend to specialize in the destruction of buildings, not in the construction of buildings.

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Originally Posted by aisy_Day
Building a community center meant as a reconciliation is morally repugnant? Really?

Let me ask you this: if it's meant as a "reconcilation", then why is it named after a city that the Muslims conquered, destroyed, and massacred the infidels there? You really don't think that's meant to send a message?

Furthermore, if they're really interested in "reconcilation", then why are they so determined to twist this knife in the wounds of those who lived through 9/11 and those who lost loved ones?

Would you support Germany attempting to "reconcile" with Jews for their acts in WWII by building a camp with guards and razor wire in downtown Jerusalem and calling it Auschwitz?

What i find interesting is that this had to be spelled out to anyone. Is there such contempt for the American people that our objections to this "trophy of conquest" is ridiculed? Apparently so.
 
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Originally Posted by ZephyrWiccan
Funny you bring up Germany and Auschwitz. You know what was allowed right next to Auschwitz death camp just a decade or so after WWII? A German cultural display. Funny how the people that went throug hso many horrors were capable of allowing that, and yet so many people here today are not.

So then, you support them doing that?

apparently so.
 
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