Creationism: Young Earth vs Old Earth

Originally posted by JohnR7
Do you have anything positive to contribute to this conversation or are you deceived into thinking that to slash and burn tear down and belittle others is a contribution?

Oh, you mean a positive comment like this?

Try again what, to expain 6 th grade math to you? Ok, I will try again.

Hypocrite.
 
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Originally posted by JohnR7
You forgot the option of put "LiveFreeOrDie" on ignore.

You can ignore me if you wish, but that won't help your case with people reading this thread.

I do not have to repond to anything if I do not want to. I just have to determine if I want to keep a conversation going or not.

You're right. If my comments have made you look foolish, you have every right not to make a bigger fool of yourself.

You can reach a point where no one will post and you have a board that just sits there and goes no where. The slash and burn people will call that a victory because they chased everyone away from them. But to me to be all alone is a rather hollow victory.

I find it rather disturbing how disagreeing with one of your ridiculous assertions suddenly makes me a "slash and burn person". Is name calling the only response you can muster?

To me chasing people off so they no longer want to have a discussion with you in not winning at all.

I'm not trying to chase you off, John. I'm just trying to get you to stop making ridiculous assertions like:

Most everything in the universe doubles in half the time.

...a claim for which you couldn't provide three measly examples.
 
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G'day JohnR7,
I refer to your previous post on the first page where you write:
The Adam we find in Gen. Ch 2 was formed by God about 6000 years ago. The male and female we find in Ch 1 on the 6 th day was most likely what science calls stone age man. He could have been around for 30 or 40 million years or even longer. Science tells us he used simple stone tools, could build a fire, would bury their dead, and could even build a simple shelter. They mostly were hunters gathers, but they did plant some seeds here and there. From what we could tell they would travel north for the summer and south for the winter. As the ice melted at the end of the ice age, they could go further and further north.

This theory is inconsistent with a number of aspects of what the Scriptures teach.

1. Death did not come about until after the 'fall' when sin entered into the world.

2. The context of the first chapter indicates that the various days of creation were a literal 24 hour period. Each desciption of the days event concludes with 'the evening and the morning were the __ day". The plain interpretation of this is to conclude the writer was refering to one day. You say these time periods could be millions of years.

3. In verse 26, God states man is made in His image. This man was equal to the man stated in chapter 2. They were the same man.

4. Why would God say Adam was lonely if there were numerous other 'men' created in God's image who inhabited the world when Adam was created.

I view your theory an attempt to marry the theory of athiests (evolution) to the teaching of Scripture. There have been a number of frauds and fakes as people have sought to find the missing link between ape and man. Why seek to accomodate such a speculative theory?
 
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G'day Sulphur,

The poor of intellect? Well probably. I'm not much of a debater, and I don't find it achieves a whole lot for me. I've read what the experts say and have formed conclusions based on what I can get from their reports.

By the way, what do you think about the Creation story given in Genesis. Have you ever studied the passages?
 
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So, if civilization started 6000 yrs ago, then the flood of Noah would have to be a long way earlier and then we would defiantly have to put the new earth theory out the window because we would have to assume that Adam and eve were actually cave men because the flood was before civilization??

Doesn't Christian Myth speak of half breads, are they maybe the cave men and Adam and eve are homo sapient. Either way, the earth has to be older than 6000 yrs old, not that you’re saying that John but I have heard it said.

I wonder what we would get if we cross the DNA of a Neanderthal man and a little gray alien???

HOMO SAPIANS???

Never know, it is a possibility.
 
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Originally posted by Micaiah
This theory is inconsistent with a number of aspects of what the Scriptures teach.

1. Death did not come about until after the 'fall' when sin entered into the world.


The Bible says that death though sin entered the world though Adam. There is nothing in the Bible that says there was no death in the world before Adam. There is scientific evidence of this when you compare the bones from Stone Age Men with the bones of man after the "dawn of civilization". Stone Age Man was a LOT healther than modern man. HIs teeth did not decay as much, and there were less diseases in his bones. Even David talks about this when he says: "My strength fails because of my iniquity, And my bones waste away". Psalm 31:10 

2. The context of the first chapter indicates that the various days of creation were a literal 24 hour period. Each desciption of the days event concludes with 'the evening and the morning were the __ day". The plain interpretation of this is to conclude the writer was refering to one day. You say these time periods could be millions of years.

We know that with God a day is as 1000 years. Evening and morning in the Hebrew is sunrise and sunset, or the beginning and the end. Day can mean a age or a era of time. It is often used in that context in the Bible. So a "day" in Genesis one is a age with a beginning and a end, with no referance to it's length.

If you want to take a young earth creationism position. Then your going to need to tell me why there is so much of a difference between stone age men and Adam.  We could just start to list all the differences. One I allready mentioned. Stone Age Man was a lot healther. Second the DNA shows that Stone Age Man did not have domesticed animals. He may have tamed some wild animals, but there is a big difference in their animals. Also about all Stone Age man could do was build a fire, build a simple shelter, and make simple tools out of stone. Although they were starting to get pretty good at it, by the dawn of civilization. Also Stone Age Man could put a few seeds in the ground. But he was no wear near the farmer nor did he have the livestock that Adams decendants had.

God not only created Adam 6000 years ago, he created domesticated animals and birds like the chicken 6000 years ago.

"3. In verse 26, God states man is made in His image. This man was equal to the man stated in chapter 2. They were the same man."

There are far to many contradictions for them to be the same man. Gen ch 1 day 6 man was created. Gen ch 2 day 8 Adam was formed and God breathed life into him and he became a living soul. God would come down in the cool of the day and talk to Adam. We know that Adam had a tiny mind and a tiny heart that matched the heart and the mind of God. Adam was very special to God, and God loved him very much. So when he did fall into sin, then God decided that He would redeem the decendants of Adam. Or at least give them a chance at redemption.

4. Why would God say Adam was lonely if there were numerous other 'men' created in God's image who inhabited the world when Adam was created.

None of the daughters of men were suitable for Adam. "for Adam there was not found a helper comparable to him." Adam needed a wife with a heart and a mind like his. Eve was the first real women. Before Eve there were females, like the animals, male and female, but she was the first wife and the first women.

I view your theory an attempt to marry the theory of athiests (evolution) to the teaching of Scripture. There have been a number of frauds and fakes as people have sought to find the missing link between ape and man. Why seek to accomodate such a speculative theory?

Regard it anyway you want to regard it. "athiests (evolution)" have knowledge, they just have no wisdom to know what to do with that knowledge.

In a court of law at the scopes trial the young earth creationists could not answer the questions that were put before them and they pretty much lost the debate and they ended up getting God thrown out of our schools. Now look at the mess we find in our school system with all the shooting and everything.

YEC could not even tells us where Cain or Seth got their wife. What is so hard about that question? If God made a wife for Adam, He could make a wife for Seth also. Because it was not tell later on that we read the sons of men married with the sons of God. It seems that the Godly line of Adam decided to mate with the daughters of the cave men and God was not happy with that. If you remember, that was the reason for the flood.  

Genesis 4:14 Surely You have driven me out this day from the face of the ground; I shall be hidden from Your face; I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond on the earth, and it will happen that anyone who finds me will kill me."

Who was Cain worried was going to kill him? According to the YEC there were only three people in the world. Adam, Eve & Cain.

Genesis 4:15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

It looks like God took action to deal with Cains fear. He gave Cain some protection so that no one would kill him.

Anyways, whatever questions you have, bring them on. Thanks, JohnR7

Genesis 6:1-3
    Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, [2] that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. [3] And the Lord said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."





  


 
 
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Originally posted by Micaiah
I'd suggest a new thread for that one.

Really, we had some thread drift early on, simply because no one wanted to try and defend the Young Earth Creationism position. But now if there are those who are willing to debate that position, then we can get a discussion going on this.
 
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Originally posted by JohnR7
Why did I know even before I read your post that you were going to try to give me your advice?

Ummm... Because you have ESP?

As a Christian I hate to see other Christians make fools of themselves by stating things as facts that are obviously false just to suport their interpretation of the Bible. It does nothing but drive others further away from Christianity.

If you are so unwilling to admit error on such a simple little thing why should anyone believe that you have even bothered to check the rest of your "facts"? You are setting yourself up and thus the rest of us Christians here to be labled as liars because your pride will not let you even admit so a simple misstatement.
 
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