How can we help our soldiers get home?

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Upon the last few weeks, there has been an increasing number of people coming up to me and discussing the illegal war in Iraq and Afghanistan and which is spreading into Pakistan. Some have children who are soldiers over there and others have sons that are going to be sent very soon. They are really angry that people of this world are so passive, especially those in America and Christians should be demanding an end to this slaughter. I feel beside myself at times because I can only Pray enough people will stand up and demand our troops come home.

One of the parents brought up the fact that Obama was going to bring troops home, but her son is being transferred from Iraq across the border to Afghanistan and will be there for another 18 months at least without any break to come home. Another parent expected to see their son come home by fall, but instead is now being left in Iraq with the other 50,000 troops to offer security for nobody knows how long.

A son of another parent committed suicde while in Aghanistan and in his last letter told of the number of civilians that were being killed by NATO and US troops by false information and bad intelligence and it is an ongoing thing almost every week and month. The reason was stated in his letter that the US is offering money to anyone who gives them information about terrorists, then the people in Afghanistan will give any names of people they just simply don't like, who have arguments with them, or if they are Christian and then the soldiers attack with airstrikes or go in blazing up the area to find only civilians who are not armed found dead. Our soldiers are fighting nothing but a fake war with bad intelligence and then comes along this information to prove we are all being misled in the end. (Which of course is also documented on paper.)

YouTube - ‪Obama: "I'm not American" "My Birth Place is Kenya"‬‎

which is also backed up by this and other documents.
YouTube - ‪Congress: Arrest Mr. Obama‬‎

So I have had within a several week period of many concerned parents and including one enlisted man. The enlisted man wanted out of his contract with the military to avoid going to Afghanistan since he fells that Obama is not the real president he is not liable to go, so I told him to refuse to go and like many other soldiers that did he will not have to go to war. That nobody can force you to do anything you don't want to, they can put you in jail for not going, but none of the soldiers that have refused has never went to jail. So there is no reason to fear not following a false order.

Now it has come to the breaking point even within Churches in this area, that people are upset and angry Congress is doing nothing to stop this crazy mess from continuing. However, upon writing a Congressmen, he said he has no such other letters of concern about this matter and it is the first he knows of it. That just made him a liar since others have noted they did write him and that even Congress has recieved the full detailed court documents of the Obama trial that found him guilty of being an impostor. So what we are dealing with is something that every American will have to deal with either by standing up and demanding people to resign or they can be passive until November and vote in people who will make sure things get back on track in America. However, as with any other election, people are just naive just like Obama said himself.

And last, a close friend kept saying he is appauled by the News not carryig the biggest story in history that Obama is not an American and that Obama said it himself. I said, since the 1950's the media has been under control of the Federal Government and they are monitored by the FCC and if they say anything they are not supposed to to alarm the public, they are shut down immediately. It was a law passed by Congress in the 1950's. So a lot of people are left in the dark when it comes to the Truth because the media is under tight control.

So as Christians, what can we do to put Justice back into America and get this Nation back on Track to bring our Soldiers home?

Or is everyone still in the dark about what is going on?

Do you have a loved one in the military overseas? Do you know someone in the military overseas? What can we do to help them get home? What can we do to get this Nation back on Track without bloodshed? We want to do this in a peaceful way as Christians so does anyone have any ideas?

We can do large protests, which do work. Yet, we have to inform enough people to get invovled. We can put up large TV screens and run movies all day to inform the people in our stores and businesses, we can go to every college in our area and hand our recordings and disks and get them involved and we can get our Churches involved, but we need a quick and massive way to get the word out and if you are computer savy perhaps you can put it up on twitter or something.

I am just stuck for ideas and these parents want Justice and Liberty in America for which those soldiers are fighting for the Constitution they think, but are knowing they are fighting a losing and fake war under a fake president.

We have to do something as Christians, we must find a way and I am upen for any suggestions.

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Ugh.

This is your agenda. Not mine.

And, I have always thought that we believers are supposed to pray for change, and for our administration from top to bottom (not post videos of people calling for someones arrest.)

I must, respectfully, say that I really don't get your post or why it's here.
 
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Ugh.

This is your agenda. Not mine.

And, I have always thought that we believers are supposed to pray for change, and for our administration from top to bottom (not post videos of people calling for someones arrest.)

I must, respectfully, say that I really don't get your post or why it's here.

I think if you did care about what was going on you would be more concerned, but with everything else whether it be about gay marriage or about sex before marriage you have always been against doing the right thing and standing up for God's Word. I think you need to reflect more on the words of Jesus in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John because you surely are not showing your path is with Jesus. Jesus stood up for what is right, so must every Christian that is living for Jesus. This is not a game, this is not about having fun, this is about saving lives and doing what is right in the eyes of the Lord Jesus. So you are a passive person, nothing seems to matter to you if it isn't happening in your living room. Well, your actions are your fruit of how you believe and where you stand with Jesus. Hope you find your way and maybe get up and do something instead of doing nothing and letting the world waste away into darkness. God Bless and I hope you find your way.
 
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I think if you did care about what was going on you would be more concerned, but with everything else whether it be about gay marriage or about sex before marriage you have always been against doing the right thing and standing up for God's Word. I think you need to reflect more on the words of Jesus in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John because you surely are not showing your path is with Jesus. Jesus stood up for what is right, so must every Christian that is living for Jesus. This is not a game, this is not about having fun, this is about saving lives and doing what is right in the eyes of the Lord Jesus. So you are a passive person, nothing seems to matter to you if it isn't happening in your living room. Well, your actions are your fruit of how you believe and where you stand with Jesus. Hope you find your way and maybe get up and do something instead of doing nothing and letting the world waste away into darkness. God Bless and I hope you find your way.

I see; I disagree with something you write and then by you I automatically categorized and judged. You've assigned yourself the ability to know me intimately without having known me at all. Duly noted.

See you on the other side.
 
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Vote Liberatarian and stop paying taxes. Liberatarians would never advocate foreign occupations and without tax money the government won't be able to afford the wars. Of course some would say, don't change a thing about what you do just pray about it.

Me, I pray for Gods will to be done and for me to be okay with whatever it is.
 
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Vote Liberatarian and stop paying taxes. Liberatarians would never advocate foreign occupations and without tax money the government won't be able to afford the wars. Of course some would say, don't change a thing about what you do just pray about it.

Me, I pray for Gods will to be done and for me to be okay with whatever it is.

I wish it was that easy, but the Government has given the Federal Reserve an open area to print as much money as it needs and that is why so far the US debt has grown to be more in the last 2 years than in all of US history. So not paying taxes will not matter to the Federal Government, they will simply have the Federal Reserve print more money. Thus they will have more money for continuing the wars and slaughter. So it will take other measures (protesting, getting the word out to the world, and changing people in office during election) to really make a difference. What is worse is things like Mrs. Obama taking a 20 million dollar vacation on the tax payers money could have went to something useful, like saving a thousand homes from foreclosure, feeding the tent cities, feeding the hungry in America, and that 100 million Obama sent of Tax payers money to Kenya to help them build a better military could have been used in helping feed those people rather than just build a military and some buildings. Waste of money, waste of the Government and trillions spent on a fake war and its not about money, its about lives. Every soldier that has fallen has fallen in vain in this fake war under the orders of a fake president. So will Americans continue to do nothing or will we stand up for what is right? God Bless
 
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Or is everyone still in the dark about what is going on?

Pretty much yes, it seems to me. I always go back to President Eisenhower's warning as he left office about the dangers of the military-industrial complex. There could scarcely have been anyone in a better position to understand those dangers. The degree to which "Military Madness" (to borrow from an old Graham Nash song) has since overtaken this country is simply beyond belief, to the degree that the insanity that you're describing is now viewed as being completely consistent with Christian values or even as being a veritable Christian mission. I was born and raised in the U.S. and am a Christian, but I am entirely in sympathy with those who refer to the U.S. as The Great Satan. I believe that this is precisely -- biblically -- what the U.S. has become under the military-industrial complex, and I see absolutely no prospect for change. If you have never read The Kingdom of Heaven Is Within You by Leo Tolstoy, you might find it interesting since Tolstoy believed that Christ's admonition to resist not evil is the key to the Christian life; quite the opposite of those who find convenient ways to explain it away and whose idea of Christianity is bombing your perceived enemies into oblivion. Anyway, it is tragic how many kids who have little choice but to join the military and their well-meaning parents buy into the B.S. they are fed by the military-industrial complex and the rah-rah Christian right and fail to realize that they are dying for nothing (less than nothing, really, since they are destroying other innocent lives in the process).
In an upstairs room in Blackpool
By the side of a northern sea
The army had my father
And my mother was having me
Military Madness was killing my country
Solitary Sadness comes over me
After the school was over and I moved
To the other side
I found another country but I never
Lost my pride
Military Madness was killing the country
Solitary sadness creeps over me
And after the wars are over
And the body count is finally filed
I hope that The Man discovers
What’s driving the people wild
Military madness is killing your country
So much sadness, between you and me
War, War, War, War, War, War
 
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Practical advice: pray for Afghanistan. And buy soldiers airline tickets.

Other advice: don't post rants against the gov as "advice"


Red flags that your post is a rant:
-the title assumes the soldiers need help coming home
-you call the war against Iraq "the illegal war"
-you inserted sob stories from parents who were upset that their children in the military are serving in the military
-you ignored that although Obama wanted people out of Iraq, he was clear about sending more troops to Afghanistan
-in support of your arguments against the war, you chose the evidence of Obama's birth certificate? really? that has nothing to do with the war, the reasons it started, or the reasons it should end
-you equate justice with soldiers coming home
-you assert that we HAVE to do something about war
-your post is much more about what you're trying to say than what you're trying to learn



Please remind yourself that the Bush administration declared war on Iraq, and we were at war when Obama took office. Anything against the war, should be because of Bush not Obama (fyi- I voted for Bush)

And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet.
-Matthew 24:6
 
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I wish it was that easy, but the Government has given the Federal Reserve an open area to print as much money as it needs and that is why so far the US debt has grown to be more in the last 2 years than in all of US history. So not paying taxes will not matter to the Federal Government, they will simply have the Federal Reserve print more money. Thus they will have more money for continuing the wars and slaughter. So it will take other measures (protesting, getting the word out to the world, and changing people in office during election) to really make a difference. What is worse is things like Mrs. Obama taking a 20 million dollar vacation on the tax payers money could have went to something useful, like saving a thousand homes from foreclosure, feeding the tent cities, feeding the hungry in America, and that 100 million Obama sent of Tax payers money to Kenya to help them build a better military could have been used in helping feed those people rather than just build a military and some buildings. Waste of money, waste of the Government and trillions spent on a fake war and its not about money, its about lives. Every soldier that has fallen has fallen in vain in this fake war under the orders of a fake president. So will Americans continue to do nothing or will we stand up for what is right? God Bless

Most Americans don't know what we know about the Federal Reserve. Half think the wars are about giving women the right to go to school. The other half don't really care. Americans are in a pretty sorry shape with the soft economy and the government making it worse with their monetary policy.

Try not to get too worked up about it. I've noticed when men understand what is going on they tend to get up in arms about it when there is very little you can do outside of your immediate sphere of influence.
 
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Please remind yourself that the Bush administration declared war on Iraq, and we were at war when Obama took office. Anything against the war, should be because of Bush not Obama (fyi- I voted for Bush)

I agree with this. I voted for Bush the first time, and grew to despise him. I likewise voted for Obama, and am likewise vastly disappointed in him. The reality is, I couldn't accomplish anything either, if I were magically elected President, because whomever occupies this supposedly "highest office in the land" is a stooge of a military/industrial complex far more powerful than he. Bush was a perfect, willing stooge; I only fault Obama for lacking the courage to say "I know I made promises I'm not fulfilling. But guess what, folks: I've come to realize that I'm just a stooge of forces far more powerful than me." The original post may have been in the vein of a political rant, but I don't see it as inappropriate because I do believe there is a supernatural dimension to what is taking place in this country. It isn't a matter of politics. It's a matter of some sort of weird spell having been cast over a huge percentage of the populace, to the extent that a complete perversion of American values and Christian values is now trumpeted as patriotism and fulfilling God's will. I suppose one could give the OP standard Christian advice to "pray fervently for this to change," but it seems to me that the perversion is so thorough that America is well on its way to fulfilling some preordained, biblical destiny -- and it sure isn't as "God's country."
 
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From “Christianity and War” by Laurence Vance, a talk delivered in 2008 at the Future of Freedom Foundation’s conference on "Restoring the Republic: Foreign Policy and Civil Liberties." Couldn’t have said it better myself. The entire talk is at Christianity and War by Laurence M. Vance and should be mandatory reading for those who aren't already brainwashed to the point of being brain-dead:
I would like to speak to you today about Christianity and war. I don’t suppose there is anything I write and speak about with more fervor than the biblical, economic, and political fallacies of religious people. This is especially true regarding the general subject of Christianity and war. If there is any group of people that should be opposed to war, torture, militarism, the warfare state, state worship, suppression of civil liberties, an imperial presidency, blind nationalism, government propaganda, and an aggressive foreign policy it is Christians, and especially conservative, evangelical, and fundamentalist Christians who claim to strictly follow the dictates of Scripture and worship the Prince of Peace. It is indeed strange that Christian people should be so accepting of war. War is the greatest suppressor of civil liberties. War is the greatest destroyer of religion, morality, and decency. War is the greatest creator of fertile ground for genocides and atrocities. War is the greatest destroyer of families and young lives. War is the greatest creator of famine, disease, and homelessness. War is the health of the state.

But Christianity is in a sad state. In the Church can be found some of the greatest supporters of the state, its leaders, its military, and its wars. Christians who are otherwise good, godly, disciples of Christ often turn into babbling idiots when it comes to the subjects of war, the military, and killing for the state. There is an unholy desire on the part of a great many Christians to legitimize killing in war. There persists the idea among too many Christians that mass killing in war is acceptable, but the killing of one’s neighbor violates the sixth commandment’s prohibition against killing. Christians who wouldn’t think of using the Lord’s name in vain blaspheme God when they make ridiculous statements like "God is pro-war." Christians who try never to lie do so with boldness when they claim they are pro-life, but refuse to extend their pro-life sentiments to foreigners already out of the womb. Christians who abhor idols are guilty of idolatry when they say that we should follow the latest dictates of the state because we should always "obey the powers that be." Christians who venerate the Bible handle the word of God deceitfully when they quote Scripture to justify U.S. government wars. Christians who claim to have the mind of Christ show that they have lost their mind when they want the full force of government to protect a stem cell, but have no conscience about U.S. soldiers killing for the government.

There is an unseemly alliance that exists between certain sectors of Christianity and the military. Even Christians who are otherwise sound in the faith, who are not fooled by Bush’s pseudo-Christianity and faith-based socialism, who believe that the less government we have the better, who don’t support the war in Iraq, and who oppose an aggressive U.S. foreign policy get indignant when you question the institution of the military. Some churches would have no trouble doubling as military recruiting centers. There are Christian colleges that even offer Army ROTC. Most churches fawn over current and former members of the military, not just on Veterans Day, but on other holidays like Memorial Day, Armed Forces Day, and the Fourth of July, and also on special "military appreciation" days that they designate. Well, like those in foreign countries on the receiving end of a U.S. military intervention, I don’t appreciate most of what the military does today, as I will explain later.
 
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I don't think it is just Christians, it is just about every religion that believes the war is a crime in itself. Good article though. A lot of good points. People need to wake up. Every day someone opens their eyes to the Truth.

It is becoming a huge concern across American, even with Veterans of the Miltitary who fought in the Iraq war and now in Afghanistan.
So here are a few videos of Vets against the war effort.The Government tried to shut them up, but they just keep talking. God Bless them for doing what is right and being persecuted. Puts a smile on my face when people stand up for what is right.

YouTube - Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) on GMA

Three part video of Vets against the war. Their reasons why. They were there. They saw what happened. 2010
YouTube - Lars Ekstrom - Iraq Veterans Against the War 1 of 3

Another Vets against the war effort.
YouTube - Ron Kovic at Anti-War Protest Los Angeles March 20, 2010

Article abou Vets opposing war.
Local vets oppose war | War Is A Crime .org

Local vets oppose war | War Is A Crime .org

Just if enough people get angry enough and shout to have their voices heard to stop this fake war, the Government will listen as they had to in Vietnam when enough people stood up and demanded our troops come home.
 
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Where is the debate? Have you even read the first post of this thread? Goodness, this is about finding advice and solutions, to which I posted videos that people will get the full idea of what is going on and then give their advice or solutions to stop this fake war and bring our soldiers home. As Christians we need to stand up for what is right and find solutions to help our Soldiers who are our friends, sons, daughters, neighbors and brothers. So how many more have to die, both in our military and civilians before people have had enough? Until we start demanding, through speeches, demonstrations, through protest or what ever else ideas people can come up with to get the message out to Congress and the fake president that we want our friends, our relatives, our neighbors back home before they end up being killed over a fake war. I am shocked some of you just don't care and yet you say you do, but you do nothing except throw bricks at those who do care. Tell me again, for those who deny everything that is going on, where do you stand with Jesus and His Laws? Or is it easier just ignoring everything going on? By being Christians or claiming to be, we have to do what is right and stand up for what is right in the eyes of the Lord. God Bless.
 
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Where is the debate? Have you even read the first post of this thread? Goodness, this is about finding advice and solutions, to which I posted videos that people will get the full idea of what is going on and then give their advice or solutions to stop this fake war and bring our soldiers home. As Christians we need to stand up for what is right and find solutions to help our Soldiers who are our friends, sons, daughters, neighbors and brothers. So how many more have to die, both in our military and civilians before people have had enough? Until we start demanding, through speeches, demonstrations, through protest or what ever else ideas people can come up with to get the message out to Congress and the fake president that we want our friends, our relatives, our neighbors back home before they end up being killed over a fake war. I am shocked some of you just don't care and yet you say you do, but you do nothing except throw bricks at those who do care. Tell me again, for those who deny everything that is going on, where do you stand with Jesus and His Laws? Or is it easier just ignoring everything going on? By being Christians or claiming to be, we have to do what is right and stand up for what is right in the eyes of the Lord. God Bless.

Do you really think we are that nieve to believe you when you say this thread is about advice?

You can't just say, "The government sucks. The president is a sham. This war is illegal. Obama should be arrested. All our soliders need to come home. If you're not against the war, you must not understand Jesus and His Laws."

...and then throw in a "what do you think? what should we do?" and claim that it's asking for advice.


There is a way that someone who is against all this could ask for advice. All you had to do is say, "I disagree with what's going on in the gov, and I'm really against the war. I'd like to find a better way to stand up for what I feel - but I'm not sure a protest is the best. What else could I do? Do letters to Congress really work, or would I be wasting my time?"

A thread like that would be from someone who was against the war (just like you are) - and was actually seeking advice.



This thread, on the other hand, is clearly a political rant.
 
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