How long can you go without sinning against God?

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An old pentecostal preacher I knew very well and have great respect for who has gone to heaven now once told me that we sin in all sorts of ways hundreds of times a day in thought, word and deed, most of which we are not even aware of.

His viewpoint was that God was so Holy that we can't even comprehend all the ways we actually sin against Him everyday.

What do you guys think?

Is it possible to go sinless for...the rest of your life, a year, a month, a week, a day, an hour, a minute?
 

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An old pentecostal preacher I knew very well and have great respect for who has gone to heaven now once told me that we sin in all sorts of ways hundreds of times a day in thought, word and deed, most of which we are not even aware of.

His viewpoint was that God was so Holy that we can't even comprehend all the ways we actually sin against Him everyday.

What do you guys think?

Is it possible to go sinless for...the rest of your life, a year, a month, a week, a day, an hour, a minute?

He sounded like a wise man..I totally agree, us..is our wretched human nature cannot go a day without sinning in some way..It is only by the grace of God that was continue to repent daily.
 
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However, I do have to say that a true Christian will not dive into sin, they unwillingly fall into sin because as repentant Christians, we hate our sin and want nothing to do with it.

So if you are a true Christian you will never dive into a sin? That a true Christian will never deliberately do what they know is a sin?
 
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So if you are a true Christian you will never dive into a sin? That a true Christian will never deliberately do what they know is a sin?

If a Christian is going through a time of weak faith and come across a temptation and falls into that temptation, then their conscience immediately convicts them and they hate what they have done and get themselves away from the situation so they will not be tempted again..Then I do believe that person is a true Christian..However, if that person continues to commit this sin time and time again..I think they would need to examine themselves to see if they are truly in the faith. Like I said, true repentant Christians hate their sin and want nothing to do with it. That is why I mean by falling, not diving into sin.
 
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An old pentecostal preacher I knew very well and have great respect for who has gone to heaven now once told me that we sin in all sorts of ways hundreds of times a day in thought, word and deed, most of which we are not even aware of.

His viewpoint was that God was so Holy that we can't even comprehend all the ways we actually sin against Him everyday.

What do you guys think?

Is it possible to go sinless for...the rest of your life, a year, a month, a week, a day, an hour, a minute?


Meh. He may be right.

I think Evangelical Christians obsess too much about sin. They've made everything into a sin. If we have an uncharitable thought about our neighbor - we've sinned. What?! Where does the Bible define sin like that? If we yawn during the Sunday morning sermon, we've sinned.

If you pick your nose and wipe it under the pew, you're going to hell! ^_^



I don't think God is holding my sin against me, past, present or future. He wants to remove the sin from my life because it hurts me and He loves me. Not because He's afraid of getting sin on his shiny white robes if I try to touch the hem.

God is Holy, yes. And God is making (has made, will make) us holy, too. But I don't believe that He wants us to be constantly focused on our sins. He's not keeping a tally of our sins every day.

The target we're looking at it is the target we'll hit. Look at your sin, and it'll trip you up. Fix your eyes on Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, and we won't sin.


I honestly think that the "woe is me, I'm a sinner, I can't go five minutes without having an evil thought" mindset is false humility. It looks like humility, but really it's all about "me".

Plus, is Scripture a lie when it tells us that Jesus set us free from sin? What power does the Gospel really have if we're still wearing those chains?
 
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sounds like a nice heaping dose of condemnation! Look, we do sin. When we do, we ask for forgivness right away. I don't knowingly go around sinning. I walk in the Spirit, but I do mess up. We aren't perfect. We are called to be holy like He is, and that is a process for us humans. Holy just means set apart. Not like the world. Not as in, we never do a thing wrong.
 
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An old pentecostal preacher I knew very well and have great respect for who has gone to heaven now once told me that we sin in all sorts of ways hundreds of times a day in thought, word and deed, most of which we are not even aware of.

His viewpoint was that God was so Holy that we can't even comprehend all the ways we actually sin against Him everyday.

What do you guys think?

Is it possible to go sinless for...the rest of your life, a year, a month, a week, a day, an hour, a minute?

I would agree with that preacher. When you look at all the commands in the Bible, there are many ways to keep them in which we do not keep them, and many ways to disobey them which we do quite unintentionally.

Take just one command: Love the Lord God with ALL your heart and ALL your mind and ALL your soul and ALL your strength. I'm yet to have a day where I've done all four of these perfectly. I can probably say that every day this year--and my life--has been a perpetual breaking of this command from the first to last second of the day just by not doing this perfectly. Some days I've broken it less severely than others, but I break it continuously.

Do I excuse it? Never. Would God tear my sin from my body, I would be the happiest alive, because it is an offense to a holy God. Has He taken it away yet? No, but someday He will, and I won't worry about my sin anymore, and I'll be in perfect fellowship with Him.

Am I condemned? No, because I know the blood of Jesus Christ has perfectly washed me. But I am to continuously run to the cross when I see my sin. We grow in repentance (turning from sin).
 
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Meh. He may be right.

I think Evangelical Christians obsess too much about sin. They've made everything into a sin. If we have an uncharitable thought about our neighbor - we've sinned. What?! Where does the Bible define sin like that? If we yawn during the Sunday morning sermon, we've sinned.

If you pick your nose and wipe it under the pew, you're going to hell! ^_^



I don't think God is holding my sin against me, past, present or future. He wants to remove the sin from my life because it hurts me and He loves me. Not because He's afraid of getting sin on his shiny white robes if I try to touch the hem.

God is Holy, yes. And God is making (has made, will make) us holy, too. But I don't believe that He wants us to be constantly focused on our sins. He's not keeping a tally of our sins every day.

The target we're looking at it is the target we'll hit. Look at your sin, and it'll trip you up. Fix your eyes on Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, and we won't sin.


I honestly think that the "woe is me, I'm a sinner, I can't go five minutes without having an evil thought" mindset is false humility. It looks like humility, but really it's all about "me".

Plus, is Scripture a lie when it tells us that Jesus set us free from sin? What power does the Gospel really have if we're still wearing those chains?

:amen: :thumbsup:
 
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An old pentecostal preacher I knew very well and have great respect for who has gone to heaven now once told me that we sin in all sorts of ways hundreds of times a day in thought, word and deed, most of which we are not even aware of.

His viewpoint was that God was so Holy that we can't even comprehend all the ways we actually sin against Him everyday.

What do you guys think?

Is it possible to go sinless for...the rest of your life, a year, a month, a week, a day, an hour, a minute?


As long as Christ is in us and we are in Him, all things are possible.

I personally think the major problem with believers today is they think sinning is the norm for a believer...it's not. It's the norm for a non-believer, but not a believer.

I think that if we think we sin everyday then we are in great error by thinking that ;). Why? Because scriptures says, "if any man be in Christ he is a new creation. Old things have passed away and all things have become new".

I'm not claiming perfection in every thought, word, and deed...however, that does not mean I sin every moment of every day. Do I frequently fall short of what He desires of me? Yes. But I do not view that as sin. With the Apostle Paul I say "Sin no longer reigns in me". Sin does not have the say-so in my life.
Romans 6:11-14
11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

PS If we'd get our eyes off of ourselves and stop looking at ourselves so much and concentrate fully on HIM instead (He's really much more interesting than myself anyway) we would not have time to consider all this rubbish about how much one must sin everyday as a means of excusing ourselves from keeping our eyes off of HIM and onto ourselves instead. Get our eyes on HIM. Keep our eyes on HIM. "And HE will keep him in perfect peace the one who's mind is stayed on HIM" (Isaiah 26:3)


 
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"PS If we'd get our eyes off of ourselves and stop looking at ourselves so much and concentrate fully on HIM instead (He's really much more interesting than myself anyway) we would not have time to consider all this rubbish about how much one must sin everyday as a means of excusing ourselves from keeping our eyes off of HIM and onto ourselves instead. Get our eyes on HIM. Keep our eyes on HIM. "And HE will keep him in perfect peace the one who's mind is stayed on HIM" (Isaiah 26:3)"

AMEN !!!!

IMHO, it's a given that the enemy is going to speak words into our heads to get us to sin. A lustful thought perhaps, an angry thought when we are cut off in traffic---but aren't these just THOUGHTS? I mean they only become a sin if we DWELL on them and act upon them?

 
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IMHO, it's a given that the enemy is going to speak words into our heads to get us to sin. A lustful thought perhaps, an angry thought when we are cut off in traffic---but aren't these just THOUGHTS? I mean they only become a sin if we DWELL on them and act upon them?

Exactly. Sometimes the strangest thoughts come into our heads. That's why we are to take those thoughts "captive", meaning, we don't have to dwell on them.

Having a lustful thought about someone is very different from fantasizing about them. When a thought like that comes to us, we can choose to think about something else instead, and yes, we need to do it on purpose. That's submitting to God and resisting the devil. If we choose to dwell on the thought, then we are submitting to the thought, and hence submitting to the devil.
 
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"PS If we'd get our eyes off of ourselves and stop looking at ourselves so much and concentrate fully on HIM instead (He's really much more interesting than myself anyway) we would not have time to consider all this rubbish about how much one must sin everyday as a means of excusing ourselves from keeping our eyes off of HIM and onto ourselves instead. Get our eyes on HIM. Keep our eyes on HIM. "And HE will keep him in perfect peace the one who's mind is stayed on HIM" (Isaiah 26:3)"

AMEN !!!!

IMHO, it's a given that the enemy is going to speak words into our heads to get us to sin. A lustful thought perhaps, an angry thought when we are cut off in traffic---but aren't these just THOUGHTS? I mean they only become a sin if we DWELL on them and act upon them?


Yes. As one of my Pastors said, "you can't stop the birds from flying over your head but you can stop them from building a nest in your hair".
 
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Exactly. Sometimes the strangest thoughts come into our heads. That's why we are to take those thoughts "captive", meaning, we don't have to dwell on them.

Having a lustful thought about someone is very different from fantasizing about them. When a thought like that comes to us, we can choose to think about something else instead, and yes, we need to do it on purpose. That's submitting to God and resisting the devil. If we choose to dwell on the thought, then we are submitting to the thought, and hence submitting to the devil.

True. When such things come into my mind I usually begin praising God for the reminder of what HE has delivered me from.
 
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An old pentecostal preacher I knew very well and have great respect for who has gone to heaven now once told me that we sin in all sorts of ways hundreds of times a day in thought, word and deed, most of which we are not even aware of.

His viewpoint was that God was so Holy that we can't even comprehend all the ways we actually sin against Him everyday.

What do you guys think?

Is it possible to go sinless for...the rest of your life, a year, a month, a week, a day, an hour, a minute?

If it is not possible to free from sin, then God's grace is in vain. Grace is given to us for the purpose of enabling us to be transformed. If we can't be transformed, then the grace is in vain.

I have been a Christian pretty much from birth. I was raised in a Christian family, and there was never a time when I didn't believe in Jesus. My conversion experience happened when I was about 8 years old and I was baptized not long after that.

From that time I have continually struggled with numerous sins, including some that I was not aware of at the time. There were many times during my teen years and into my adult years that I really wondered if I were truly saved because, based on an honest reading of scripture, I knew I simply did not match up to what a Christian was supposed to be and what the redeemed life was supposed to be.

I'm not talking about keeping the law etc.. I'm talking about actually experiencing what Paul and Jesus, and Peter and John describe as the life of a person who is in Christ.

Further, I also knew I wasn't remotely matching up to what my Church taught about the believer's victory over sin and other trials of life etc.
There were times when I struggled with the reality that there either had to be something seriously wrong with me, or with what my Church taught and what I believed.

We were basically taught that all believers have victory available to them, and all they have to do is "step out in faith" and boom, you'll have it, you will be victorious, you will be an overcomer, you'll have everything that the New Testament writers said you should have or could have.
I therefore figured that either I wasn't truly saved, or my faith was simply not good enough, probably because I wasn't devoted enough.

Eventually I was lead to move on from that Church and I began to re-discover a different, older view of Christianity. One of the things I eventually found was that God has given us 'means of grace'.

The idea that you simply have to "step out in faith" and boom everything will fall into your lap is false. Nothing works that way in natural life and it doesn't work that way in spiritual life either.
natural life, the natural world, was all created to reveal God and his truths to us. As a result most aspects of natural life are allegorical in a sense, for spiritual life.
In natural life, if you sit around and never do anything, you get fat, lazy, and unhealthy. If you eat simply what you want to eat, you get fat and unhealthy. Further, while those things are enjoyable for a while, eventually they lose their pleasure and they become a burden, even while you are still enslaved to them.

If you want to be healthy, if you want to be fit, if you want to really function as you are supposed to function and be what you are supposed to be, you have to train. You have to train yourself to eat the things that are good for you, not simply what tastes good. You have to train yourself to exercise, to sleep the right amount, to drink the right amount of water.

Spiritual life is basically the same. If you want to be healthy, you have to feed yourself on the right things, and you have to discipline yourself, train yourself to love the right things, and to do the right things.

In both spiritual and natural life we face the reality that we are effectively enslaved by our habits. In natural life most people are almost incapable of changing without something outside of themselves enabling them to do it. Whether it is an event, or a person that pushes them etc.
In spiritual life we are not able to do this without the grace of God enabling us to do it.

Discipline, feeding yourself on the right things... these things are not 'works' in the sense that they don't 'earn' you anything. Yet they definetly are work in the sense that they are often difficult to do.


all the things we do in this regard, we do because God enabled us, and we do them in cooperation with him. He is working in us, and we are cooperating with him.

Earlier I mentioned the phrase "means of grace". What this is talking about is the idea that God has made physical ways for us to receive grace that strengthens and renews us.
Often times our version of Christianity has made everything abstract, and mental... it all takes place in the mind, faith is in the mind, and thats all that matters etc.
God, on the other hand, created the physical world to express himself. He created us as physical and spiritual beings... and then he himself became a physical being.
God uses physical things, and we as both physical and spiritual beings are meant to interact with God on both of those levels.

Things like baptism, and communion are obvious examples. These are physical actions that when we do them in faith, they have spiritual results. They are means of grace.
Other things include prayer, scripture reading, meditation. We often view these things are primarily mental, non-physical things, but they really do involve our body as well as our mind. When we pray we should involve our body by taking different postures, whether it be kneeling, prostrating, raising your hands, etc.

I re-iterate the point that none of these things are about earning salvation, or earning holiness. They are about being transformed. In physical terms we've all probably heard the saying "you are what you eat." Eating is a transformative activity. When you eat you either transform yourself towards health, or away based on what you eat.

The same is true spiritually, what we consume is transformative, for the good or the bad.

But really, when you get down to it, the point of all these things is to know God and to interact with God. The things I have talked about are ways that God himself established for us to do that.
The reality of our faith is that we are transformed by communion with Jesus Christ. When we are united to him, when we experience union with him, it can't help but change us. He has made physical ways for us to pursue those spiritual ends. God does not intend that you have to become disembodied in order to know him. On the contrary, he became embodied so that you could know him.

Going back to my own experience. When I began to realize some of this stuff I really pursued them. I read the bible, I had regular prayer times where I didn't just throw lists of requests at God but praised him, thanked him, loved him and sought to know him. I spent time meditating on scripture, but also time just sitting and waiting silently on God, making an effort to focus my mind on him and devote my attention to him. (that is very hard to do by the way)

I can honestly say that I have never before in my Christian life experienced anything like what I experienced during that time. Most of my life I have hated trying to have prayer times and the like because it always seemed like torture.
During that time I had wonderful prayer times. I had such an awareness of God's love that I never had before. That was truly transforming. I learned then that we are incapable of loving as we need to, until God's love fills us and flows out from us.

There was a period of several months where I truly had victory over the old sins that always beset me. In fact, I remember at one point thinking "wow, I'm free from that, what else is there? Have I arrived?" and God quickly pointed out some other issues that I hadn't been aware of before and so I started looking to overcome those.

There came a time when I was tempted to some of the old things. I was not tempted in the old way, where it seemed impossible to resist and like failure was inevitable.
I can't say why, but for whatever reason, I didn't flee the temptation as I should have I allowed myself to linger in the situation and allowed it to continue and eventually I fell to the old temptation, almost without even realizing it.

Since that time, I have struggled to discipline myself again. Discipline has always been my greatest weakness. It is strange because I know that knowing God is far better, far more fulfilling, even far more enjoyable, than the spiritual laziness and distracting myself with games and what not that I do.. but I still struggle to actually make myself go back and pursue those things again like I did.

I'm amazed also at how quickly I forget the things I learned then and how quickly I am distracted away from them. How easy it is for me to focus on other desires in life than knowing God.

That is one of the really important things too... anything that genuinely brings you to seeking God is good, BUT if you seek him for any reason other than simply his own sake, and loving him, it will be a hinderance to you.

This is why I am some times dismayed when charismatic chase power, glory, experiences, etc. Those things are fine in their place but they are a poor substitute for God himself, and like any person, like any lover... he doesn't want to be used as a means to an end. He wants people who want him for him... not people who want him for selfish reasons.
 
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The reality of our faith is that we are transformed by communion with Jesus Christ. When we are united to him, when we experience union with him, it can't help but change us. He has made physical ways for us to pursue those spiritual ends. God does not intend that you have to become disembodied in order to know him. On the contrary, he became embodied so that you could know him.

I find this to be one of the most perceptive and well worded thoughts on this subject that I have ever read. Reps to you. May I have your permission to quote this in a book study that I am writing for my church?

I am doing a study on the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, and while doing the study it hit me that the scripture that Peter quotes on the day of Pentecost from Joel says in part "...I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh...". I have read this numerous times before, and have always understood that it said this, but it really stood out for me this time. I think that sometimes we get way too spiritual with things. Our flesh is corrupted yes, but God has chosen to pour His Spirit on this corrupted flesh anyways, and sanctify it for His use. Why did He do this? I have no flippin' idea. But He did.

Peace...
 
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I find this to be one of the most perceptive and well worded thoughts on this subject that I have ever read. Reps to you. May I have your permission to quote this in a book study that I am writing for my church?


Sure thing.
 
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Meh. He may be right.

I think Evangelical Christians obsess too much about sin. They've made everything into a sin. If we have an uncharitable thought about our neighbor - we've sinned. What?! Where does the Bible define sin like that? If we yawn during the Sunday morning sermon, we've sinned.

If you pick your nose and wipe it under the pew, you're going to hell! ^_^



I don't think God is holding my sin against me, past, present or future. He wants to remove the sin from my life because it hurts me and He loves me. Not because He's afraid of getting sin on his shiny white robes if I try to touch the hem.

God is Holy, yes. And God is making (has made, will make) us holy, too. But I don't believe that He wants us to be constantly focused on our sins. He's not keeping a tally of our sins every day.

The target we're looking at it is the target we'll hit. Look at your sin, and it'll trip you up. Fix your eyes on Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, and we won't sin.


I honestly think that the "woe is me, I'm a sinner, I can't go five minutes without having an evil thought" mindset is false humility. It looks like humility, but really it's all about "me".

Plus, is Scripture a lie when it tells us that Jesus set us free from sin? What power does the Gospel really have if we're still wearing those chains?

Wonderful!!! :clap:
 
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