Why should all public high schools be transformed into privately funded ones?

Sphinx777 · May 29, 2010

Without the cost of any regular tuition fees on the students or their families, at least not initially...

All high school students should be required to enter into a lifelong legal contract specifying that upon their own eventual graduation and formal employment, after they are set in their future careers, whatever they may be, they shall be required to pay one percent of their annual income, however high or low it may amount to, to the schools that they attended. This is a very small amount of money from the individual students' point of view, but it may eventually mean millions upon millions of dollars being returned to the schools as payment for their educational work, thus allowing them to become ever-more effective learning institutions, which would in turn allow them to produce graduates with the abilities needed to gain higher, more advanced and more financially profitable future careers.

Those who do not graduate, or those who do graduate, but who, for whatever reason, never actually become employed in their entire lives, however unlikely that would seem for most students, do not have to pay anything.

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rambot · May 30, 2010

Class divide in America is more delineated than you may believe and this could eventually exacerbate an already delicate situation.

mpok1519 · May 30, 2010

^correct. Requiring unemployed generations of graduates to foot the nation's education budget is simply not feasible.

ArnautDaniel · May 31, 2010

This would just create some Harvard v. community college like divide at the high school level in addition to at the college level.

jgarden · Jun 1, 2010

Public schools are on the proverbial "frontline" and have to contend with society's problems with both hands tied behaind their backs.

Instead of having young crimminals and misfits roaming the streets during the day, the schools are not only supposed to keep them out of circulation but teach them - allthewhile making sure they don't hurt someone else or each other.

Schools should be reimbursed for the numbers of young offenders they kept off the streets postponing the expense of being incarcerated by the justice system.

simon reyburn · Jun 29, 2010

they shouldnt... lol its as simple as that... ok so the pubic school system might not be the best at the moment but once schools start reciveing the funding they need they will do fine. school need to teach a wide rage of classes PE art as well as the other "core subjects" to do this they need funding to up skill the teachers and the resources. they also need new ways to keep the kids interested as will as learing. so basicaly more funding= a move to a better system. moneys not magic but it will provide studaces with better classes and more equiped teachers

BobW188 · Jun 29, 2010

#1: Does someone of the age of a first year high school student have the legal capacity to enter into such a contract?

#2: If there is a compulsory attendance law, can the student be said to have freely entered into the contract?

#3: If a graduate brings on evidence - such as good report cards - that she pursued her studies diligently but her diploma did could not get her any better job than a dropout's, does she have an action for damages?

#4: Would that 1% even cover the costs of administering the program?

KarateCowboy · Jul 7, 2010

rambot said:
Class divide in America is more delineated than you may believe and this could eventually exacerbate an already delicate situation.

I'm not so sure about that. The reports I've read generally show private schools are able to do the same job at about half the cost. Not sure how you come to the conclusion you did.

teddyv · Jul 7, 2010

KarateCowboy said:
I'm not so sure about that. The reports I've read generally show private schools are able to do the same job at about half the cost. Not sure how you come to the conclusion you did.

Up in this neck of the woods the regular Christian private school probably can run at close to half the public school costs - but the main savings are realized in teacher's pay which probably on order of 75-80% of the comparable public school teacher.

Private schools are on their own when it comes to capital expenses so that can add up costs.

variant · Jul 7, 2010

teddyv said:
Up in this neck of the woods the regular Christian private school probably can run at close to half the public school costs - but the main savings are realized in teacher's pay which probably on order of 75-80% of the comparable public school teacher.

Private schools are on their own when it comes to capital expenses so that can add up costs.

Is the proposal then, to improve schooling by reducing teacher pay?

Nurbz · Jul 8, 2010

Private schools do so well because
A) the costs in sending one's child to school keep out lower income kids who are the majority of trouble cases
B) private schools can kick out students, where public schools cannot

If department of education is destroyed like so many want, the problems facing public schools will just be moved to private schools and everyone will pay more to deal with the same problems facing education now. Except education will be a for-profit industry making a minority of people very very rich.

teddyv · Jul 8, 2010

variant said:
Is the proposal then, to improve schooling by reducing teacher pay?

I wasn't making any proposal that I am aware of. Just remarking why Christian (and other religious schools) often run for less expense than the public schools.

jgarden · Jul 8, 2010

variant said:
Is the proposal then, to improve schooling by reducing teacher pay?

Big business has always argued that the private sector needs high salaries and lucrative bonuses to attract and retrain the ablest and the best!

Why is that an alien concept when it comes to teachers?

variant · Jul 8, 2010

Nurbz said:
Private schools do so well because
A) the costs in sending one's child to school keep out lower income kids who are the majority of trouble cases
B) private schools can kick out students, where public schools cannot

If department of education is destroyed like so many want, the problems facing public schools will just be moved to private schools and everyone will pay more to deal with the same problems facing education now. Except education will be a for-profit industry making a minority of people very very rich.

In my area the Catholic schools (one of which I went to) have poorer teachers and tougher curriculums.

I was a "problem child" that my private school had not realized had dyslexia, and thus they didn't know what to do with me (and had many problems teaching me proper cursive). They were teaching me about a grade level above what public school was with a teacher who liked cats more than people, in a strict and painful way that made my eyes water.

Eventually it became clear that things would not work out and I was sent to public school, where I was a grade level ahead of the class, and given double the resources available to me before. Suddenly I was smart enough to both go to college and graduate high in my class.

variant · Jul 8, 2010

jgarden said:
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Big business has always argued that the private sector needs high salaries and lucrative bonuses to attract and retrain the ablest and the best!

Why is that an alien concept when it comes to teachers?

Don't mention doctors or the argument gets messy.

Nurbz · Jul 8, 2010

variant said:
In my area the Catholic schools (one of which I went to) have poorer teachers and tougher curriculums.

I was a "problem child" that my private school had not realized had dyslexia, and thus they didn't know what to do with me (and had many problems teaching me proper cursive). They were teaching me about a grade level above what public school was with a teacher who liked cats more than people, in a strict and painful way that made my eyes water.

Eventually it became clear that things would not work out and I was sent to public school, where I was a grade level ahead of the class, and given double the resources available to me before. Suddenly I was smart enough to both go to college and graduate high in my class.

I don't know what you were getting at, but to me it sounds like you were going to hurt their statistics when not having the resources to deal with learning disabilities, so they kicked you out, but luckily you retained enough to do well in public school.

I went to a non-denominational school because the public schools in my town are among the worst in the state and it's not even a major city. I got a good education, but they were socially backwards, and were led by a hypcritical hardcore southern baptist principle that thought dancing was a sin. They liked to advertize how good they were at the education, but that's because they kicked out the "lazy students that didn't care", and they made a lot of money off of their sports programs (they kept the under performing students that help their sports teams look good) so they ignored things like arts and technology completely... I was nearly atheist by the time I graduated.

variant · Jul 8, 2010

Nurbz said:
I don't know what you were getting at, but to me it sounds like you were going to hurt their statistics so they kicked you out, but luckily you retained enough to do well in public school.

No not really, I think they found it odd that I was failing all my classes and scored better than most of the school on the standardized tests. It was just that they just didn't have a clue how to teach me.

I was making the point that the private school didn't have the resources to teach any other way than they normally teach.

Nurbz · Jul 8, 2010

variant said:
No not really, I think they found it odd that I was failing all my classes and scored better than most of the school on the standardized tests. It was just that they just didn't have a clue how to teach me.

I was making the point that the private school didn't have the resources to teach any other way than they normally teach.

you went to school in the 80's and 90's though, every public school has (or is suppost to have) resources to teach people with dyslexia and ADD and other common disabilities

variant · Jul 8, 2010

Nurbz said:
you went to school in the 80's and 90's though, every public school has (or is suppost to have) resources to teach people with dyslexia and ADD and other common disabilities

Right but my private one didn't have the first clue, that was how wonderful they were. They required that a dyslexic kid took spelling tests in cursive. You can imagine how poorly that went (if I spent two or three hrs memorizing the words, I failed the test because I couldn’t write them legibly enough in the time allotted). Which I believe reduced my third grade self to tears.

Part of the problem was realizing that I had issues that could be dealt with and wasn’t just stupid and stubborn.

rambot · Jul 8, 2010

Nurbz said:
Private schools do so well because
A) the costs in sending one's child to school keep out lower income kids who are the majority of trouble cases
B) private schools can kick out students, where public schools cannot

I'd be FAR more inclined to think it's B than A. While A can be true, it is still a generalization. Tieing the hands of teachers behind their backs so they cannot provide children with the consequences of their action (don't learn = don't move on) is, ultimately, detrimental to children's development and frankly, I'm still PO'ed that governments and educators labour on the idea that this is scarring to a child. It's a logical consequence!!! Geesh!

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