If you believe you can bind the devil.....

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That's casting demons out of a man. There's a number of examples of that occuring. What about those 'binding' devils over regions or institutions?

I was answering Balance's original post.

Regions? That would take a measure of faith to do so. It is not impossible, just that each of us is more active in the things directly around us I believe.

Prophets could control the weather in areas for an amount of time, so I don't dismiss such an ability can happen.
 
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It seems that spirits can be bound if it has to do with the furtherance
of the Gospel. Jesus said preach the gospel, heal the sick, cast out demons.
But all of this seems to be on a one on one contact. First they hear the
gospel, which produces faith to believe, then deliverance. Jesus always
preached the gospel first that produced faith in them.. then did the work.
I'm not sure just binding spirits over a city or nation would work when the
people that are able to be influenced by these demons haven't first had the
opportunity to hear and receive faith for themselves to believe and receive.
It seems that people hearing and believing would be more of an effective way
to put the powers that were ruling over them at bay. Paul wrote in Thes.2:18
that all that had happened to him had worked out to the furtherance of the gospel,
yet he said it was Satan that prevented him from being free to see his brothers face to face.
What power would the devil or demons have if they first have to have people
they can influence? So we work with people.
 
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Charismatics do a lot of 'binding and loosing', but the general charismatic understanding of these terms is not really based on scripture so much as it is assumption.

First of all, the context in which the teaching "whatever you bind in on earth..." is given is matthew 16 and matthew 18, both of which specifically deal with the authority that Jesus gave to the apostles over the Church.

In Matthew 16 it is directly connected to Jesus giving Peter the "keys of the kingdom". In biblical symbolism (indeed in most ancient symbolism) keys are a symbol of authority because the one who has the keys controls, he is the one who is rightfully in charge and he can allow people entrance or refuse them entrance.

In Matthew 18 the context is almost exactly the same except that it is directed at all of the 12 apostles and not specifically at Peter.

Further context from Jewish culture and religion is that the terms binding and loosing were commonly used in Jewish religious law for the authority to forbid, or allow an action or a practice. Essentially it was the authority of a Rabbi to say this practice is allowed for the people (loosed) or this practice is forbidden for the people (bound).

Given this realization, what Jesus says about binding and loosing has nothing at all to do with binding spirits, or loosing blessings on people and all that. This is simply what modern people have imagined it to mean.

Consider how charismatic people today use these terms and the ideas they have about them... do you see them being used that way anywhere in the New Testament? The answer is no, you will not find it there. It is highly unlikely that Jesus would give out this authority to bind and loose and then no one including the apostles ever used it.... thus the fact that it never appears in the New Testament as modern charismatics use it, probably means they are misunderstanding it.

What binding and loosing is actually about is the authority that Jesus gave the apostles to establish the practices and observances of the Church. The way of worship, etc. It is also related to the authority that Jesus gave the apostles to discipline the Church up to and including the authority to allow people in or to cast them out.


Now, the improper understanding and misuse of "binding and loosing" doesn't mean that Christians have no authority over spirits or that they can't bless people etc. It does, however, tend to change the way that authority is used, and maybe viewed.

When people are 'binding and loosing' they tend to get focused on themselves and start trying to operate out of their own authority. You can see this in the tone they take and the language they use.
The biblical model is submission first to God, and then resisting the devil from a place of submission to God. In this there is always the recognition that it is God that is really doing the work.
As Jude reports, even the Archangel Michael did not rail against Satan, but said only "The Lord rebuke you".

There is no need to go around ordering things to be bound, or to 'take authority' (which in fact is impossible, authority can only be given... to take authority is by definition usurpation). We simply need to submit to God, and resist the devil.

When the apostles had a hard time casting out demons, did Jesus tell them "well first you have to take authority, then you bind the demon, then you order it out..." I'm sure you're all aware this is not what Jesus told the apostles.

What he told them was the demon they were dealing with only comes out by prayer and fasting. This doesn't mean they needed to fast while they were trying to cast out the demon.
What Jesus was telling them was that they needed to have already spent time in prayer and fasting before hand. Why? because then they would have been in a proper place of submission to God.
 
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Charismatics do a lot of 'binding and loosing', but the general charismatic understanding of these terms is not really based on scripture so much as it is assumption.

First of all, the context in which the teaching "whatever you bind in on earth..." is given is matthew 16 and matthew 18, both of which specifically deal with the authority that Jesus gave to the apostles over the Church.

In Matthew 16 it is directly connected to Jesus giving Peter the "keys of the kingdom". In biblical symbolism (indeed in most ancient symbolism) keys are a symbol of authority because the one who has the keys controls, he is the one who is rightfully in charge and he can allow people entrance or refuse them entrance.

In Matthew 18 the context is almost exactly the same except that it is directed at all of the 12 apostles and not specifically at Peter.

Further context from Jewish culture and religion is that the terms binding and loosing were commonly used in Jewish religious law for the authority to forbid, or allow an action or a practice. Essentially it was the authority of a Rabbi to say this practice is allowed for the people (loosed) or this practice is forbidden for the people (bound).

Given this realization, what Jesus says about binding and loosing has nothing at all to do with binding spirits, or loosing blessings on people and all that. This is simply what modern people have imagined it to mean.

Consider how charismatic people today use these terms and the ideas they have about them... do you see them being used that way anywhere in the New Testament? The answer is no, you will not find it there. It is highly unlikely that Jesus would give out this authority to bind and loose and then no one including the apostles ever used it.... thus the fact that it never appears in the New Testament as modern charismatics use it, probably means they are misunderstanding it.

What binding and loosing is actually about is the authority that Jesus gave the apostles to establish the practices and observances of the Church. The way of worship, etc. It is also related to the authority that Jesus gave the apostles to discipline the Church up to and including the authority to allow people in or to cast them out.


Now, the improper understanding and misuse of "binding and loosing" doesn't mean that Christians have no authority over spirits or that they can't bless people etc. It does, however, tend to change the way that authority is used, and maybe viewed.

When people are 'binding and loosing' they tend to get focused on themselves and start trying to operate out of their own authority. You can see this in the tone they take and the language they use.
The biblical model is submission first to God, and then resisting the devil from a place of submission to God. In this there is always the recognition that it is God that is really doing the work.
As Jude reports, even the Archangel Michael did not rail against Satan, but said only "The Lord rebuke you".

There is no need to go around ordering things to be bound, or to 'take authority' (which in fact is impossible, authority can only be given... to take authority is by definition usurpation). We simply need to submit to God, and resist the devil.

When the apostles had a hard time casting out demons, did Jesus tell them "well first you have to take authority, then you bind the demon, then you order it out..." I'm sure you're all aware this is not what Jesus told the apostles.

What he told them was the demon they were dealing with only comes out by prayer and fasting. This doesn't mean they needed to fast while they were trying to cast out the demon.
What Jesus was telling them was that they needed to have already spent time in prayer and fasting before hand. Why? because then they would have been in a proper place of submission to God.

His a templar, so he knows what he's talking about
 
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Faulty said,
"So, what are we to do with these groups and churches, binding devils from over cities states and nations?"

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What are we to do about it? What is there to do.. do we have jurisdiction over them?


I'm not sure I would want to do anything about it. I do know that some evangelists before they ever came to a city, sent ahead intercessors praying for the hearts of the people be opened to hear. But this is submitting the circumstance and the outcome to God first. This is the power that we have been given thru Jesus Christ is to approach the throne of God with our petitions.
I would much rather when dealing with the principalities and powers of the air, know that if I go through Jesus Christ and submit these things to Him, that's where our power lies. I just don't believe we are to separate the Head from the body, and expect to see results. Like Jesus said.."without Me, you can do nothing". Us being given power means that Jesus is working with us with miracles and signs following.
 
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I don't think it's literally putting bonds on the devil so that he can't move, because then he could either break free from them if they're weak or...I mean, fill in the blank.

Rather, I think if we "bind" something we limit it's ability to be effective, or stop its ability altogether. I think that there are a few things that go into it also, because the spiritual world has its own laws of which a lot of Christians remain ignorant.

If a spirit has a reason to be in a particular place due to some sin or some activity happening there, then "binding" the spirit might limit it (because the power and authority of God is absolute) but probably not very effectively. Maybe instead of handcuffs, you've only bound it with ropes made of tissue. But if there is no reason for it to be there, or if the activity for which it feels it CAN be there has ceased...then "binding" the spirit will stop its actions altogether.

I feel this is probably true for the Devil - although I don't imagine Satan himself has time to affect our lives personally. Usually he uses his armies to pull off his plans. But in the event that you've done something to attract Satan's attention personally...it's likely that you could bind his activities from affecting you in an effective manner providing you are not giving him a reason to be there.

Remember Job, too. The devil challenged God that he could make it so Job would curse God - and God allowed it. Job didn't really do anything wrong it was just something God allowed.

So...I say bind wisely. Otherwise you'll pick a fight with something you really don't have any business fighting. We're Christians, not spiritual bullies.
 
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I'm not sure I would want to do anything about it. I do know that some evangelists before they ever came to a city, sent ahead intercessors praying for the hearts of the people be opened to hear. But this is submitting the circumstance and the outcome to God first. This is the power that we have been given thru Jesus Christ is to approach the throne of God with our petitions.
I would much rather when dealing with the principalities and powers of the air, know that if I go through Jesus Christ and submit these things to Him, that's where our power lies. I just don't believe we are to separate the Head from the body, and expect to see results. Like Jesus said.."without Me, you can do nothing". Us being given power means that Jesus is working with us with miracles and signs following.


Amen and Amen. :amen:
 
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<I've always wondered why we'd want to bind a spirit at all? Better to cast it out, send it away. If you bind a thing, it remains just where it was.

I hear some people say "Be loosed!" They're hanging off of you "bound to you". Either way, you prevent them. They won't leave unless you tell them to. I would guess that when you bind them you prevent them. Your spirit man is doing the talking in a way that says, "Your done!" This is my take on it. Just think of how many ways the name of Jesus is rendered. It still translates to the ultimate authority over a defeated foe.
 
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