Something I am upset about.

Faulty said:

Or "Pat" could actually be Pat.

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Possibly. Although "her" phraseology is nearly identical to another member. "Her" sentence structure is nearly identical to another member. "Her" grammar is nearly identical to another member. And "she" showed up just shortly after another member was banned. Funny coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not.

Those were the real tip-offs for me, not so much the content of "her" posts.

You'd think that with all the "discerning" individuals on this forum, someone else would have seen the connection by now.

Sickness is on your senses. You feel it. But you can overcome it with your faith.

Things turn well when you stop waiting for good signs but instead believe for the good. Feelings are from our flesh. It's not spiritual. While you are spiritual with your new life of Christ who lives in you if you believe you have died on the cross with him. Our faith is based on our belief, not on our senses. Sensual attacks are from Satan. Former US President Franklin had a very miserable health condition, however succeeded in his contribution to his country even under such harsh cicumstances of his health. He did not pray to God for turning him well so that he can work. He worked even when he was severely ill, in pain. It's because of his faith. Our Lord is our victory. He makes us more than a conquerer, so that we can rejoice in his love, in his more than just victorious life. I just first tried to study for my interpreter exam, the devil attacked me with a weired high fever. Normally my immunization system is very strong. However this time the fever just wouldn't go away no matter how hard I prayed, how many medicines and injection I took. I didn't cough. I just didn't feel well. One evening after I came out of church and talked about my condition with a sister at church. She inspired me by saying "Rely on the Lord to study." Then I remembered messages from the church that we should come out of our feelings and be not affected by the environment. We look up to the Lord. He is our ability, rightousness... God has given us Christ's full life to live in us. God's grace is not that we go on in life without setbacks, suffers. His grace is that he defeats the enemy for us, that we are not torn down by such things--if we just stop holding onto ourselves and turn to Christ and let his life rule over you, the life of Christ shines through us. Don't stock in your feelings. Don't be scared by the lies of the demons in your head. Have faith in Christ. He is your victory. So the next day, I didn't wait for my suffer to go away, but go on with my study. The devil fled! He was defeated by our faith. I no longer feel anything abnormal.

love_123 said:

Sickness is on your senses. You feel it. But you can overcome it with your faith.

Things turn well when you stop waiting for good signs but instead believe for the good. Emotions, feelings are from our flesh. It's not spiritual. While you are spiritual with your new life of Christ who lives in you if you believe you have died on the cross with him. Our faith is based on our belief, not on our senses. Sensual attacks are from Satan. Former US President Franklin had a very miserable health condition, however succeeded in his contribution to his country even under such harsh cicumstances of his health. He did not pray to God for turning him well so that he can work. He worked even when he was severely ill, in pain. It's because of his faith. Our Lord is our victory. He makes us more than a conquerer, so that we can rejoice in his love, in his more than just victorious life. I just first tried to study for my interpreter exam, the devil attacked me with a weired high fever. Normally my immunization system is very strong. However this time the fever just wouldn't go away no matter how hard I prayed, how many medicines and injection I took. I didn't cough. I just didn't feel well. One evening after I came out of church and talked about my condition with a sister at church. She inspired me by saying "Rely on the Lord to study." Then I remembered messages from the church that we should come out of our feelings and be not affected by the environment. We look up to the Lord. His our ability. God has given us Christ's full life to live in us. If we just stop holding onto ourselves and turn to Christ and let his life rule over you, the life of Christ shines through us. So the next day, I didn't wait for my suffer to go away, but go on with my study. The devil fled! He was defeated by our faith. I no longer feel anything abnormal.

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Hallelujah now there is a testimony worth listening to. BTW welcome love

As far as I see it sickness can be a result of the fallen world we live in, a result of our own sinful behaviour, or a direct attack from the devil. The world is in the state it is because of the devil, when we sin we open a door to allow him to come in and so as I see it all sickness is (directly or indirectly) caused by satan.

Pat, if you do not believe it is from the devil, then what would your theology be on sickness? Just curious as to how you can tie in the fact that Jesus provided healing for all sickness and disease on the cross (a WoF core belief) with your thought son who or what causes sickness.

probinson said:

Possibly. Although "her" phraseology is nearly identical to another member. "Her" sentence structure is nearly identical to another member. "Her" grammar is nearly identical to another member. And "she" showed up just shortly after another member was banned. Funny coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not.

Those were the real tip-offs for me, not so much the content of "her" posts.

You'd think that with all the "discerning" individuals on this forum, someone else would have seen the connection by now.

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Shouldn't say "discerning" around here. That's a bad word, a self-righteous Pharisee magnet from what I'm told. I thought we were to blindly accept everything and 'everyone' that comes along without questioning.

Perhaps in keeping the prevailing theme of the forum, she should change her name from "Pat Colby" to "Pat Colby Ministries". Then everything she says and does will be considered 'from God' and be immediately accepted without questioning.

Of course that wouldn't happen due to the agendas, but I'd have to admit, I'd love watching the irony in action.

Faulty said:

I thought we were to blindly accept everything and 'everyone' that comes along without questioning.

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Statements like this just prove you're not paying attention at all.

Faulty said:

Perhaps in keeping the prevailing theme of the forum, she should change her name from "Pat Colby" to "Pat Colby Ministries". Then everything she says and does will be considered 'from God' and be immediately accepted without questioning.

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Or, perhaps "she" should go back to acting.

Faulty said:

Perhaps in keeping the prevailing theme of the forum, she should change her name from "Pat Colby" to "Pat Colby Ministries". Then everything she says and does will be considered 'from God' and be immediately accepted without questioning.

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Thinking about this a bit further, she could then claim that every morning, as she gets in the shower, that God rains down gold dust upon her, that gives her a certain 'holy' glow annointing all day.

Of course that would have to be accepted as true, because God did strange miracles in the Bible and John said Jesus did many other things not recorded in his book.

No one would question it at. After all, it would be a ministry receiving an unusual blessing from God, right? Let's face it. With the corner some of you have painted yourself in around here, you'd be forced to accept such a claim just to remain consistent.

But if you say that didn't happen to her, then we should, in light of a recent suggestion, just wipe off our feet concerning you and move on.

probinson said:

Statements like this just prove you're not paying attention at all.

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Feel better?

Faulty said:

Thinking about this a bit further, she could then claim that every morning, as she gets in the shower, that God rains down gold dust upon her, that gives her a certain 'holy' glow annointing all day.

Of course that would have to be accepted as true, because God did strange miracles in the Bible and John said Jesus did many other things not recorded in his book.

No one would question it at. After all, it would be a ministry receiving an unusual blessing from God, right? Let's face it. With the corner some of you have painted yourself in around here, you'd be forced to accept such a claim just to remain consistent.

But if you say that didn't happen to her, then we should, in light of a recent suggestion, just wipe off our feet concerning you and move on.

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Well, let's see...

We have an established member of this forum who shared a testimony of what happened to his wife at a meeting. As a result, many people on this forum have called him a liar (either directly or indirectly), mocked him, and spoke all kinds of evil about him.

OTOH, we have a non-established member, whose posting style is strikingly similar to a member who was banned, whose account was registered only shortly after the time the other member was banned, who has clearly demonstrated that "she" doesn't believe that gold dust is EVER from God.

Yeah. That's the same.

Not really. At. All. Not even close, actually. But it does give us an insight into your thought process.

You seem more interested in disparaging those who disagree with you than you are in actually addressing where the real differences exist. This is a pretty common theme in this forum by a select group of people. It seems that some are more interested in posting nonsensical crap like this and falsely claiming that "discernment" is frowned upon in this forum rather than actually having a calm and rational discussion about the disagreements we have. As long as that agenda remains, it will remain impossible to have such a discussion.

probinson said:

Now, whether you like me or not, I am probinson, or Pete IRL, if you prefer. I always have been, and I always will be. I have no socks, other than the few I was required to create when I was on staff, and even then I made it abundantly clear that they were sock accounts by their names (NOTprobinson and SockItToMe are my 2 sock accounts). I say what I mean and I mean what I say. So when sock accounts appear and start posting dishonestly, I have little sympathy for their alleged "concerns".

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You know, I must say I've never, ever understood how some posters can decieve others on a Christian forum - while discussing a Holy God and His holy bride and issues connected with her - with sock puppets. If people are using sock-puppets when discussing Christian matters, all that tells me is that they're not interested in either learning, helping correct others, or edifying others in a loving way at all. Instead, they're just surfing here 'for a laugh', for kicks, for some good arguments. All in the name of Christ.

Sorry, does that sound self-righteous?

Well, I am daily appalled by my own sinfulness. My critical attitudes, my inability to keep away from indulgences, my impatience and unfaithfulness towards God, the "us vs them" mentality that can creep in when thinking about or discussing the things of the Spirit. I am as far from perfection as can be. But there is something very deliberate about using a sock puppet. It's one thing to lash out or be unkind at times on a forum: we've all done that, and the impersonal nature of it all only makes it easier. But to pretend to be someone else, continually, and use that to dishonestly engage in activities one couldn't do were they simply being themselves...well, I find that hard to stomach, even if it's all taking place in a virtual world.

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So what? If she was given answers to her questions with honesty and love things might change. Instead she just keeps getting slapped on the hand for asking. To me that is as negative a behaviour as some of you feel her questions are. Sorry I don't often get upset but this attitude is really appalling. Not a one of the Wofers on this forum has stood in the gap and tried to correct the "stereotyped Wof beliefs" by attempting to bring God's truth to light for Pat.

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wrong. we have tried and are still trying in this thread. it is one thing to come in with questions or even with accusations against WOF. all of those are answered. It is another thing entirely to continually attribute to God what is instead to be laid at the feet of satan.

If you know WOF at all, you know that we have consistantly said that God is good, and that His desire is for the good of His servants. indeed we have said it so often that people don't even hear it any more when it is said.

WE have also stressed the necessity of aligning our desires and petitions with that of the expressed will of God as found in His word. Indeed it was Jesus' prayer that things could be done on earth, as they were in Heaven. of all the forums here, ours was the one which based it's originally stated beliefs on the words contained in the scriptures, and took the time to post those scriptures right along with the beliefs, so that those who visited our forum might check for themselves God's word to see if what we said was true.

but instead we find here accusations against WOF. We have answered those accusations, and yet our words are not harkened to. We have offered scriptures and those are ignored. we have offered counsel which is also ignored. and it has not been just one WOF offering but several.

they all speak together with one voice in agreement.

the bible speaks of such devisive situations as the above OP, and that we should not be surprized at their happening. But even if it were only one person who raised a voice against this situation, saying that what was taking place in this forum was against the rules of the site, rest assured that they would be heard.

This website and it's rules are designed for the good of the forum members as a whole, and are not written either for or against an individual member, but for the good of all. They are designed with the sole view to help facilitate both the exchange of information, as well as to lift up the best and most gracious of brotherly exchanges, so that all may be edified, and that together we may glorify our God.

now read the OP again, and ask youself if in your own opinion this OP helps to facilitate the exchange of information, or to encourage, or to praise God. Does it benefit of all the forum members, as well as those who might read it on other sites? Does it lift up examples of the best and most gracious of brotherly exchanges for our encouragement and example? Do we gain any useful knowledge and information that can be passed on to others seeking to know and live like Christ?

These examples listed above are the kinds of Op's that we need to see here.

IMO the most important thing with sickness is not to give up. God can heal today. If there is anyone here who needs prayer for a sickness, there are enough of us here to pray and agree for your miracle.

Dont give up you're on the brink of a miracle.
Dont give up God is always on the throne.
Dont give up you're on the brink of a miracle.
Just remember that you're not alone.

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wrong. we have tried and are still trying in this thread. it is one thing to come in with questions or even with accusations against WOF. all of those are answered. It is another thing entirely to continually attribute to God what is instead to be laid at the feet of satan.

If you know WOF at all, you know that we have consistantly said that God is good, and that His desire is for the good of His servants. indeed we have said it so often that people don't even hear it any more when it is said.

WE have also stressed the necessity of aligning our desires and petitions with that of the expressed will of God as found in His word. Indeed it was Jesus' prayer that things could be done on earth, as they were in Heaven. of all the forums here, ours was the one which based it's originally stated beliefs on the words contained in the scriptures, and took the time to post those scriptures right along with the beliefs, so that those who visited our forum might check for themselves God's word to see if what we said was true.

but instead we find here accusations against WOF. We have answered those accusations, and yet our words are not harkened to. We have offered scriptures and those are ignored. we have offered counsel which is also ignored. and it has not been just one WOF offering but several.

they all speak together with one voice in agreement.

the bible speaks of such devisive situations as the above OP, and that we should not be surprized at their happening. But even if it were only one person who raised a voice against this situation, saying that what was taking place in this forum was against the rules of the site, rest assured that they would be heard.

This website and it's rules are designed for the good of the forum members as a whole, and are not written either for or against an individual member, but for the good of all. They are designed with the sole view to help facilitate both the exchange of information, as well as to lift up the best and most gracious of brotherly exchanges, so that all may be edified, and that together we may glorify our God.

now read the OP again, and ask youself if in your own opinion this OP helps to facilitate the exchange of information, or to encourage, or to praise God. Does it benefit of all the forum members, as well as those who might read it on other sites? Does it lift up examples of the best and most gracious of brotherly exchanges for our encouragement and example? Do we gain any useful knowledge and information that can be passed on to others seeking to know and live like Christ?

These examples listed above are the kinds of Op's that we need to see here.

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I have found none of the things you suggest in the OP at all. All I see in most of the negative responses is much protesting about perceived injustices to pure WOF doctrine. I wasn't aware this was a debate thread and thought the question was legitimate myself. I have experienced the same attitudes myself in certain circles and and have had to struggle through them to find the truth in God. You all seem to be assuming so many things. Maybe you are right but I restate how would Jesus treat Pat.

lismore said:

IMO the most important thing with sickness is not to give up. God can heal today. If there is anyone here who needs prayer for a sickness, there are enough of us here to pray and agree for your miracle.

Dont give up you're on the brink of a miracle.
Dont give up God is always on the throne.
Dont give up you're on the brink of a miracle.
Just remember that you're not alone.

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AMEN

WOW, accusations fly left and right around here. So much for innocent until proven guilty.

It astounds me how vehemently people will protect an adulterous minister, but have no problem throwing another christian out because of their unproven suspicions. That's rich.

Which once again demonstrates why WOF needs and wants its own forum area. Still hasnt happened but am awaiting for it to.

psalms 91 said:

Which once again demonstrates why WOF needs and wants its own forum area. Still hasnt happened but am awaiting for it to.

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Something I used to be against, but now am in full agreement with you. The sooner, the better.

LaffyTaffy said:

It astounds me how vehemently people will protect an adulterous minister, but have no problem throwing another christian out because of their unproven suspicions. That's rich.

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Twice in the nearly 5 years I've been here, I've reported a sock account that I believed was created to circumvent a ban (and just FTR, both times, my suspicions were proven correct). This is the third time. For those keeping score, that's approximately 1,825 days I've participated in this forum, and 3 times I've reported such activity. That means that a whopping 0.1% of my time at this forum has been spent on what you've sensationally classified as having "no problem throwing another christian out".

Over-exaggerate much?

psalms 91 said:

Which once again demonstrates why WOF needs and wants its own forum area. Still hasnt happened but am awaiting for it to.

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You have your own forum area.

Word of Faith - Christian Forums

probinson said:

Twice in the nearly 5 years I've been here, I've reported a sock account that I believed was created to circumvent a ban (and just FTR, both times, my suspicions were proven correct). This is the third time. For those keeping score, that's approximately 1,825 days I've participated in this forum, and 3 times I've reported such activity. That means that a whopping 0.1% of my time at this forum has been spent on what you've sensationally classified as having "no problem throwing another christian out".

Over-exaggerate much?

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Another very grace and love-filled response by our local poster who preaches to everyone else about grace and love.