Just for now ...I was simply addressing the OP regarding marriage between man and woman. I never said anything regarding 'my position' on gay marriage.
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Christian marriage same gender? Where???
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Just for now ...I was simply addressing the OP regarding marriage between man and woman. I never said anything regarding 'my position' on gay marriage.
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EnemyPartyII
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Indeed. But how to get past the cognitive disonance that convinces them they are right?
(Fun note, the primary symptom of cognitive disonance? Illogical non sequitor type responses to questions or information that draws attention to conflicting prefered beliefs. Sound familiar?)
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Unless we are just cutting and pasting, isn't most everything we write our positions?
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That defines the progressive and liberal behaviors to being challenged.
Once again, you have defined how the standard liberal or progressive acts. Gather around a crowd of self-minded clubmembers and bagger the opposition with sound bite comebacks and nod in enlightened agreement?
KCKID as is usally the case, could not debate the issue point for point, position by position.
As Jude says when expressing his cognitive dissonance . . .:
Or maybe it was just an accurate description of what does, and always will, come at the church.
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KCKID,
If there is no support for it then your position is merely based on your own faulty thinking.
the thread is asking for scriptural support for gay marriage, not your position in it, God is God regardless of your position.
If there is no support for it then your position is merely based on your own faulty thinking.
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If God's position is bigoted, prejudice and hateful as some of you think, thats no problem for me, I will stick with God.
On the other hand some have already said, if that is God's position, as it is, they dont want anything to do with God, which of course is their choice. But some of you are suggesting the Biblical testimony, as cited and quoted here, from the same New International version as the CF statment of faith uses, then I think you are attacking the Christian faith.
If you wish to attack the Christian faith can I suggest another thread, until something is proven there you need to acknowledge and recognise what the NIV Bible quotes say.
On the other hand some have already said, if that is God's position, as it is, they dont want anything to do with God, which of course is their choice. But some of you are suggesting the Biblical testimony, as cited and quoted here, from the same New International version as the CF statment of faith uses, then I think you are attacking the Christian faith.
If you wish to attack the Christian faith can I suggest another thread, until something is proven there you need to acknowledge and recognise what the NIV Bible quotes say.
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Who’s attacking the Christian faith? No one I’ve seen. People are discussing whether the lack of specific mention of same sex relationships means they are immoral to Christians, and some of those people who disagree with the idea are themselves Christians. No one is disputing what words are used in the NIV, but whether those words are enough to make a judgement on something that is barely spoken about. And of course the NIV is just a translation of the bible, not Christianity itself.
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KCKID said:
Talk about faulty thinking. I said that I was simply addressing the OP ...NOT that I was giving a position. In fact, I went as far as to say that I was NOT giving a position on gay marriage.
Learn to read before you criticize. Thank you.
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lawtonfogle
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In all honestly, God does seem to disprove far more of homosexual relationships than of child marriage. I hope you can understand my disagreement with this.
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"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. Remember the words I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin. Now, however, they have no excuse for their sin. He who hates me hates my Father as well."
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Child marriage are not disproved of, and were quite accepted back then.
God goes through and tells the people to not have sex with each others wives, or even their animals, but He, in all His wisdom, never says to not marry and have sex with children. Marriage as young as 12 at least were acceptable, and in the Talmud, which discusses the oral law, it was allowed as young as 3 and one day for females. Due to the wording, it does seem a male has to establish himself first before taking a wife (you have to be able to support your wife), so perhaps boys were getting married, but the same is not true for girls. And to top it all off, the only verse that can ever be used to punish raping a child (which really depends if word used for 'forceful sex' means rape or not, which is not a clear as it seems, because they have a different word in Hebrew which more clearly means rape) was a fine and being required to marry the child, though the father could refuse. That seems a pretty clear ok for child marriage.
In fact, getting your daughter engaged should have been done as young as possible, because raping an engaged female (of any age) was punished with death.
The Bible is far more supporting of homosexual marriages than it is UNsupporting of child marriages. If you disagree, take it up with God. Perhaps He'll answer your questions on the matter, cause He isn't really answering mine right now.
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Jesus forgot to mention that sometimes the world hates people for being insufferably obnoxious. Being a follower of Jesus doesn't cure this condition -- in fact, it's been known to exascerbate it.
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If your position is that if there is no biblical support for a thing then that thing must be wrong, then how do you justify doing anything that isn't explicitly mentioned in the bible? Talk about faulty thinking.
ETA: I just realized how horrible my command of the English language really is.
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Many churches are gay affirming, and don't see homosexuality itself as a sin, and certainly not in a loving relationship.
However, because my home church split in 2 over whether homosexuals should be allowed in their membership which resulted in half of the congregation leaving to form a no-gay-dewds church, because I mistrust many Christians because they obsessed with the sins of others, and so rarely about how they can act in love, I don't currently go to church.
I certainly am not going to join a church to take great wedding picture (admit it - some straight girls do this.). I would probably prefer a justice of the peace. My brother has an MDiv, and when asked if two people came to him and asked if he would marry them, he saiid that he would talk to the couple, see if they are ready for this, and if they were, he would do it.
This is a person who has studied the Bible pretty intensely. but I would prefer it to be simple, apparently you can ordained online, we could go down to the beach, and a simple ceremony, and then a small party to celebrate..
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Pray humbly and earnest for the Holy Spirit to soften their hearts, and believe.
Remember that they are not your enemy, but your neighbor, you brother, and if we just can find love for that person, pray for more and God will give it freely.
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Oh really?
Show marriage as same gender ANYWHERE in the new testament then.
Otherwise, if you cannot, the the marriage as Jesus defined it Christians: "man and woman" are the persecuted and righteous ones.
So please . . . if you will be so kind?
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