Can demons fool people into thinking they're saved?

Hello,

I once read a fascinating article that spoke a volume or two on the matter you speak of right now, about the demonic possession and such, while no one can be quite sure of such mannerisms, so its more or a matter of self belief. Why, whats to say your not possessed right now and the demon within you is forcing you to come here and post this nonsense, why i think that could be the case, in fact take a step back and ask your self if your possessed at this very moment and think a bit on that.

That's okay Alan, instead we'll go out and proclaim the Gospel of JESUS Who IS The Christ!

dugger said:

Why couldn't they they fooled people into believing that God's Sabbath no longer applies.

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They go tell the Jews to obey the Sabbath. As for me I am not a Jew.

The ten commandments are for everyone, and God's Holy Sabbath was established at creation long before the Jews...

Fantastic. Maybe we can turn this thread into another thread about the Sabbath.

Alan Shore said:

Why, whats to say your not possessed right now and the demon within you is forcing you to come here and post this nonsense, why i think that could be the case, in fact take a step back and ask your self if your possessed at this very moment and think a bit on that.

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Because Christians can't become demon possessed. Only non-believers can.

The early Jewish believers "worked" on Shabbat.They evangelized the Jewish non believers in the synagogues.Jesus worked on Shabbat.Show me your Shabbat observance 1 day a week,& I will show you mine 7 days a week.Jesus revealed this, but I will let you find it

HE still taught on and observed The Holy Shabbat...

Bob Jones Student said:

Hello,

I'm wondering if demons have the ability to cause people to believe they're truly saved when they're not? Or if demons can possess people and lie low making people believe they're truly saved, and have the signs of being saved, when they're not saved?

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No.

Rom 8:29-30

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate , them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
KJV

I'm wondering if demons have the ability to cause people to believe they're truly saved when they're not? Or if demons can possess people and lie low making people believe they're truly saved, and have the signs of being saved, when they're not saved?

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Great question. I would say yes. The demons love to tickle our ears and tell us that we are "holy" and without sin. It's all about pride. You don't have to be possessed in order for them to whisper lies to you. The devil even tried to tempt Jesus and he certainly wasn't possessed.

If you read the lives of the saints you will see that one of the most common deceptions of the demons is to say things like " you are such a great ascetic, such a holy man, etc..." To fight those suggestions you have to be like St Paul and say that you "first among sinners". Humility sends the demons packing.

You would say yes when the scripture says no.

2 Peter 2:9

9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
KJV


It is the reverse that is true.

Matt 7:22-23

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
KJV

To answer the first Question: Yes spirits can fool people into believing they are saved. Any one who believes that they are saved, is deceived; heres the proof:

Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mar 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.


Therefore, it isn't possible to be saved until Christ returns.

Truthseeker313 said:

To answer the first Question: Yes spirits can fool people into believing they are saved. Any one who believes that they are saved, is deceived; heres the proof:

Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mar 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.


Therefore, it isn't possible to be saved until Christ returns.

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Context is important. The verses that you cite do not say what you are proposing.

Tell me, how do you interpret these verses?

Rom. 8
38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

John 10
26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”

I am one of His sheep. Are you?

Truthseeker313 said:

To answer the first Question: Yes spirits can fool people into believing they are saved. Any one who believes that they are saved, is deceived; heres the proof:

Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mar 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.


Therefore, it isn't possible to be saved until Christ returns.

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Hentenza said:

Context is important. The verses that you cite do not say what you are proposing.

Tell me, how do you interpret these verses?

Rom. 8
38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

John 10
26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”

I am one of His sheep. Are you?

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I might add:

"...for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day." -2 Tim. 1:12 (KJV)

And I wonder brother Hentenza, how they would answer this:

"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." -1 Jn. 5:13 (KJV)

I have assurance. And I know that I know.

I have an anchor that holds, no matter the storm.

It is a shame that people do not have full assurance.

It is a shame that people do not know, or cannot say that I am saved.

I am saved.

I am one of the elect.

I have assurance.

I know that I know.

God Bless

Till all are one.

Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mar 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

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Excellent points made by the Scripture. Thats why I said it becomes a problem when people limit the term salvation to something that takes place only at one set point in time like when one says the "sinners prayer" or is baptized for example. Baptism is a salvation from the Lord for sure but salvation is also a life long process. People try to limit the term to only one of it's meanings which causes problems. Salvation = becoming divine and having loving communion with the Holy Trinity. It doesn't happen all at once and it has varying degrees.

Christos Anesti said:

Excellent points made by the Scripture. Thats why I said it becomes a problem when people limit the term salvation to something that takes place only at one set point in time like when one says the "sinners prayer" or is baptized for example. Baptism is a salvation from the Lord for sure but salvation is also a life long process. People try to limit the term to only one of it's meanings which causes problems. Salvation = becoming divine and having loving communion with the Holy Trinity. It doesn't happen all at once and it has varying degrees.

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Christ died only once and at one point in time. Salvation is the same. Nothing that we do, including baptism, can save us. Salvation is of the Lord.

BTW- This thread is not about baptism or works salvation.

Bob Jones Student said:

Hello,

I'm wondering if demons have the ability to cause people to believe they're truly saved when they're not? Or if demons can possess people and lie low making people believe they're truly saved, and have the signs of being saved, when they're not saved?

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It's their favorite thing to do. It works.

Hentenza said:

BTW- This thread is not about baptism or works salvation.

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Thanks for that reminder.

God Bless

Till all are one.

I think it's important to make the distinction that while believers can have confidence in their salvation, someone can believe they are saved and not be. This is why I say no to the OP. It's about "giving them the signs that they are saved". The true signs of salvation cannot be mistaken or faked. Can demons trick someone into thinking they are saved? Sure. But given them signs of salvation? What conceivable sign?

God has not delivered us to a spirit of confusion.

2 Tim 1:6-7

6 Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.

7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
KJV

This is what I see in this line of reasoning. "If God can confuse people and make them think they are saved, then how do you know YOU are saved?" This is not the proper way to present this concept. Yes, people can be deceived, but they are willfully so.

2 Peter 3:4-7

4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
KJV

Faith in Christ -- placing your faith in Him -- salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ -- this is not some sort of trick you can be faked into believing you did or did not do.

I had a friend who was concerned about a co worker of her's. She said that he called himself a christian but he smoked. I told her that it is not for her to judge whether or not that person has a relationship with Christ.

Why do Pentacostals and Fundamentalists like to determine some else's salvation?? It is called a PERSONAL walk with God. Between God and the Christian ONLY!