Kosher: Rabbinical or Biblical?

Jews for Jesus · May 27, 2010

If you keep Kosher, do you keep Rabbinical or Biblical Kosher laws?

If you don't keep Kosher, do you think anyone should?

ChavaK · May 27, 2010

Jews for Jesus said:
If you keep Kosher, do you keep Rabbinical or Biblical Kosher laws?

If you don't keep Kosher, do you think anyone should?

I keep kosher as defined by both written and oral Torah.
As far as others...if one is a Jew, one must keep kosher.
For non-Jews, it is optional, and I leave it up to them as to
how they define "kosher".

Jews for Jesus · May 27, 2010

Do you find it difficult to keep Kosher?
Did you grow up that way or is this a recent choice?

visionary · May 27, 2010

I keep biblically kosher.. I am a gentile..

ChavaK · May 27, 2010

Jews for Jesus said:
Do you find it difficult to keep Kosher?

It's really not difficult at all, especially the way we do things.

The house we live in full time has a dairy only kitchen. We do on occasion
have meat, and I do have separate dishes/pots etc, but we seldom use them.
In our condo (in town, where we spend shabbas and yom tov) we serve only meat (and parve, of course).

The only bad thing is that there are no kosher restaurants here, so eating out
is impossible.
Well, we do have a kosher cafe at the JCC, but it's not very good but it is
very expensive.
:wave:

Jews for Jesus · May 27, 2010

Thats really cool, where do you get most of your recipes? Any suggestions?

anisavta · May 27, 2010

Biblical kosher and I lean toward rabbinic in certain instances.

ChavaK · May 27, 2010

Jews for Jesus said:
Thats really cool, where do you get most of your recipes? Any suggestions?

Family recipes, from women at Chabad, online...you can adapt just about
any recipe and make it kosher (well, maybe not pork chops

).

Shamash Of Yeshua · Jun 3, 2010

I try to buy only products that have Jewish kosher symbols on them. When it comes to fruit and other fresh plants I buy them as well.

torahpointstoHim · Jun 3, 2010

Cheeseburger anyone? ^___^

christianmomof3 · Jun 3, 2010

I grew up in Reform Judaism and we did not keep kosher. The Reform Jewish religion sees keeping kosher, like most of the rest of the law, as a choice.
I think the rabbinical interpretations of what is and is not kosher, like the rabbinical rules of what is and is not "work" are ridiculous and not at all what God intended. From what I have seen, to eat a Biblically kosher diet is healthy and I do lean towards that although I am not overly picky about it.

ChavaK · Jun 3, 2010

torahpointstoHim said:
Cheeseburger anyone? ^___^

If one does not keep "rabbinically" kosher, then cheeseburgers
are not an issue.
:wave:

ChavaK · Jun 3, 2010

christianmomof3 said:
I grew up in Reform Judaism and we did not keep kosher. The Reform Jewish religion sees keeping kosher, like most of the rest of the law, as a choice.
I think the rabbinical interpretations of what is and is not kosher, like the rabbinical rules of what is and is not "work" are ridiculous and not at all what God intended. From what I have seen, to eat a Biblically kosher diet is healthy and I do lean towards that although I am not overly picky about it.

Regarding what G-d intended,I think it's a matter of how you were raised.
If you were not brought up religous, then it Jewish law is probably not
going to make much sense to you. The sages did not pull these laws out
of thin air, did not make them up...they are always biblically based.
Personally, I think other faiths are not
what G-d intended either. Matter of perspective, I guess.

Desert Rose · Jun 3, 2010

Jews for Jesus said:
If you keep Kosher, do you keep Rabbinical or Biblical Kosher laws?

If you don't keep Kosher, do you think anyone should?

I try to keep biblical ones, but can absolutely testify that some products, esp dairy is much tastier when its prepeared (meaning the cows raised, fed,milked etc) by observing the common rabbinical laws.
It might have to do with the fact that anything mass-produced, any industrial food manufacturing is usually inferior to more carefully,smaller farm produced food.
then its simpler , more as G-d intended it to be, and whats that fancy word ? :idea:

Organic!

As to your second question - Yes! I live in the midwest, and observing the epidemic of oversize behinds i vote for anything that makes one eat less!

its getting to be ridicilous, Dont get me wrong, good curves are beautiful, but 30% of obese population ...its just sick.

Desert Rose · Jun 3, 2010

ChavaK said:
The sages did not pull these laws out
of thin air, did not make them up...they are always biblically based.

well, with respect to our differences, some rules are probably just more of a tradition. Back in the day when water was the most precious resource in the desert, utensils probably werent washed to the point where all traces of nonkosher foods were removed. So it made sense to have 2 types of utensiles, i am sure.

Now , with soap, hot water and dishwashers, etc i see no point!
as well as loopholes like automatically turnign on/shutting off stoves, etc. I see no spiritual or physical benefit in those loopholes.
Yet stoves are certified and advertised and advised by rabbinical councel.

But I hope you dont see me as just being critical. Judaism has a share of idiots for rabbis and stupid rules, Christianity has its own. We are fallen race. nothing is perfect

ChavaK · Jun 3, 2010

Desert Rose said:
well, with respect to our differences, some rules are probably just more of a tradition. Back in the day when water was the most precious resource in the desert, utensils probably werent washed to the point where all traces of nonkosher foods were removed. So it made sense to have 2 types of utensiles, i am sure.

Well, why would non-kosher food be on utensils anyway?

Now , with soap, hot water and dishwashers, etc i see no point!

But those may actually cause more problems, as there are differences
between how hot/cold food and utensils are managed if you accidently
treif them out.

as well as loopholes like automatically turnign on/shutting off stoves, etc. I see no spiritual or physical benefit in those loopholes.

These are not "loopholes", the rabbis are trying to make life smoother for observant Jews, while at the same time following halachah. I don't get why
so many people say rabbinical laws are a burden to people, and then when the same rabbis try to make accomodations in regards to observance, people accuse them of making loopholes.

By observing rabbinical law as well as Biblical law, it elevates everything
that we do to a higher spiritual level. It brings us to a closer connection
to G-d. When you cut an onion, is it a spiritual event? It is for me.

We are fallen race.

Well, that's a pretty dismal way to look at things
:wave:

visionary · Jun 3, 2010

ChavaK said:
Well, why would non-kosher food be on utensils anyway?

But those may actually cause more problems, as there are differences
between how hot/cold food and utensils are managed if you accidently
treif them out.

These are not "loopholes", the rabbis are trying to make life smoother for observant Jews, while at the same time following halachah. I don't get why
so many people say rabbinical laws are a burden to people, and then when the same rabbis try to make accomodations in regards to observance, people accuse them of making loopholes.

By observing rabbinical law as well as Biblical law, it elevates everything
that we do to a higher spiritual level. It brings us to a closer connection
to G-d. When you cut an onion, is it a spiritual event? It is for me.

Well, that's a pretty dismal way to look at things

It is always true, that every event should have a spiritual aspect. It should bring us closer to God, for if it does not then why do it? Seeing God's wisdom sometime comes by just following in faith.

During the time of the black plagues during the dark ages, people didn't know why, but those who were observant [Orthodox Jews] were more likely to survive. Today we give credit to their observance of these very traditions that are brought into question now. If it was not for the black plague, the observance would not been anything more than ritualistic overkill in cleanliness.

cyberlizard · Jun 3, 2010

biblical kosher vs rabbinically kosher....

try this site... (it's quite palatable)...

Biblical Kosher Eating | Biblical Kosher

Steve

Lulav · Jun 3, 2010

Jews for Jesus said:
If you keep Kosher, do you keep Rabbinical or Biblical Kosher laws?

If you don't keep Kosher, do you think anyone should?

How about Levitical and Kosher in it's true sense of the meaning of the word?

Desert Rose · Jun 3, 2010

ChavaK said:
Well, why would non-kosher food be on utensils anyway?

the city girl

, she doesnt raise/butcher her own chickens.

well, there are many orthodox jews who wont eat at my home, lets take it as an example, or Visionary's or Anisavta's, Lulav's etc. for that matter - i bring up people right here who are, in my opinion, very devoted messianics.

While i respect the orthodox view, the whole idea that my fork, even after being washed perfectly, (as in even in the lab they wont be able to tell the clean fork from their home from mine) is not good enough for them to eat with, is absolutely, totally foreign to my belief system.

How is dairy or meat utensils different when they are cleaned? Again, i know what you will say, and i deeply respect that. But its not for me, thanks, thats why i left Judaism.

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