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Maximus

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See, first and foremost, I am extremely cynical when it comes to politicians and their supposed platforms.

Like I said before, you and I have very different expectations and ideas of what politicians actually can or will do. I think they use a lot of issues (like abortion) as a way to manipulate.

Here's the difference. The Republican platform is mostly good. When Republicans fail to live up to it, they are failing to live by a decent standard they set for themselves. Republicans can be reminded of what they actually stand for and should strive to accomplish.

The Democrats, on the other hand, have a platform that is mostly bad. We must pray they fail to live down to the "standards" they have set for themselves. Yet they are continually striving to accomplish many of their nefarious and evil purposes, which include the destruction of untold numbers of innocent unborn babies and the advancement of a sexual abomination.

To complain that Republicans don't always live up to their own standards is to dodge the real issue of the genuine evils of the Democratic Party.

It wasn't and isn't okay to vote for Barack Obama, not with full knowledge of who he is and what he stands for, anyway.
 
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I don't see how people could vote on a President based on his moral views. Moral views are certainly important, but the President cannot cause people to sin. If Obama supports abortion, that is certainly his choice, but no decision he can make will encourage or make people get abortions.
In fact, it isn't the President who passes laws (though he signs them into law), it is the House and the Senate.

Everyone is culpable for his or her own sin, but a President can do greater harm in advancing the cause of evil and obstructing the good because he possesses greater power than the average person.

Take the repeal of the Mexico City Policy, which I mentioned in an earlier post, for example. Obama signed that repeal three days after he was inaugurated as President. The Mexico City Policy prevented federal funds - taxpayer dollars - from going to international organizations that provide abortions. With the stroke of his pen, Obama undid all that and facilitated the deaths of untold numbers of innocent unborn babies worldwide. That was an executive order, by the way, not a law passed by both houses of Congress. The blood of it is on Obama's hands and, to a certain extent, on the hands of those who, knowing what he stood for, put him in office.

An individual woman can kill her own babies, and that is bad enough, but President Obama, because of the power he wields, can make possible the slaughter of millions of innocent babies worldwide.

An individual sodomite can commit the sin of homosexuality for himself or herself, but the President, because of his power, can facilitate that sin on a far-reaching scale, causing it to be advanced and to be exposed to millions of impressionable young people falsely, as a legitimate expression of human love.

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The President is for "bigger" issues such as foreign relations. If you want moral bills/laws to be passed, then vote for morals House/Senate & Supreme Court members. (yes I know the President can veto laws as well)

Aside from the fact that Obama is lousy on those issues, as well, refusing to adequately defend our borders, kowtowing and bowing to Muslim potentates around the world, and offending our friends, how are foreign relations more important than the current ongoing holocaust of the unborn?

Please clear that up for me.

This man is not fit to be dog catcher, let alone President of the United States.

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I was not a big fan of either candidate. McCain was an idiot when it came to foreign relations and he would have continued the poor foreign relations that became the practice of the Bush administration. We would have continued to make more enemies, especially with Orthodox nations like Russia.

I wasn't a big fan of Obama because he was a kind of "cult of personality" and the fact that he was pro-abortion and held other socially liberal views.

I liked McCain because he was socially conservative, I liked Obama because he was economically liberal and would work on improving relations with Russia and other nations.

To me, it was a choice between a lesser of two evils, or even rather a vote on which one would help the country the most when it comes to the big picture.

No matter who it comes down to, we just cannot trust any politician. Quoting the (often overquoted) part of the Liturgy & Psalmist: "Put not your trust in princes, in sons of men, in whom there is no salvation".

McCain's imperfections pale to insignificance beside Obama's actual evils. Anyone who chose Obama chose not the "lesser of two evils" but great evil, impure and flat-out.

If by "economically liberal" you mean that Obama is a Keynesian big-government-spender, you have that right. He has already quadrupled our national debt, with no end in sight (although we can hope for turnarounds in 2010 and 2012). Stand by for inflation that will make the Jimmy Carter era look like a walk in the park by comparison.

Obama has not improved foreign relations. The leaders of the world have his number by now. He is weak and has a distinct disability when it comes to discerning the difference between friends and enemies. Having a pretty good familiarity with Russians and how they think, I am sure Volodya (Putin, that is) is pleased as punch to be dealing with Obama instead of with someone with a spine (like McCain).

"Put not your trust in princes" is not an excuse to turn the reins of government over to evil men, not when one has a choice. But it certainly is sage advice that should have been heeded by all of those benighted souls chanting, "Yes we can, yes we can", like an assembly of the Borg or a graveyard full of Caribbean zombies.

Better not to vote at all than to vote for Obama. That is what you should have done if, knowing what Obama is all about, you still found McCain unworthy.
 
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I would like to see a citation on your debt figures. As far as I know most of our current debt was created by our last President, George Bush. Both parties are guilty of deficit spending so stop spewing your ignorance and hate.
 
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Obama is still your president whether you like it or not and you need to respect that. Your rants are not going to help anything and are really beginning to get on my nerves. So please, stop. The least you can do is pray for him.
 
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Here's the difference. The Republican platform is mostly good. When Republicans fail to live up to it, they are failing to live by a decent standard they set for themselves. Republicans can be reminded of what they actually stand for and should strive to accomplish.

The Democrats, on the other hand, have a platform that is mostly bad. We must pray they fail to live down to the "standards" they have set for themselves. Yet they are continually striving to accomplish many of their nefarious and evil purposes, which include the destruction of untold numbers of innocent unborn babies and the advancement of a sexual abomination.

To complain that Republicans don't always live up to their own standards is to dodge the real issue of the genuine evils of the Democratic Party.

It wasn't and isn't okay to vote for Barack Obama, not with full knowledge of who he is and what he stands for, anyway.


This is a matter of opinion. I don't think either party is "mostly bad" or "mostly good". I just agree with one more than the other. I have a very strong sense of separation of church and state. Many of the beliefs that I hold spiritually, I do not expect to be impressed upon the whole country.

It wasn't too long ago that I was Republican. I became disenchanted with that party and gradually started to disagree with it more and more. Now I mostly agree with Democrats, save for a couple of issues, and those issues don't have a lot of sway with the way I vote. Not because I don't think they are important, but because of what I expect that politicians can or will really achieve in regards to them.
 
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We should always pray for our President, no matter our feelings about his politics.

As an aside, a friend of mine actually knew the President before he was a senator. She tells me that he was a nice person and a good professor. I have no reason to not believe her as I respect her as a person.
 
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Strange stainglassed window for a church, but I really don't have any other comment on it. I do have to say about the politics stuff in here....for Maximus especially....don't let politics or a political party become your life. It can become an obsession and distract you from God and what's good for your soul. Politics is a messy business, and I frankly have no faith in the government and have no pledge to any party. I learned years ago that no party is better than the other. There is good and bad in all, and the cess pool of politics tends to corrupt and taint an individual who initially went into their office with good intentions. Prayers for our president and our country and peace for the world is the best one can do, IMO. :wave:
 
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OK, time to move on to something less cotroversial:

How 'bout them Tollhouses? :p ;)
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