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Yeah Paul does not appeal to scripture but "to nature" to teach concerning the long hair... "doth not NATURE TEACH"? As I regard him as not speaking after the flesh as it pertains to the scriptures, keeping the spiritual integrity of them (in that respect).

Theres also the spiritual aspect of the son of perdition expressed throughout scripture

1Cr 11:23 That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

1Cr 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

1Cr 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

"let a man examine himself" the one that eateth bread with him (having part in the ministry) lifted up his heel against him (whereas now we are the body of Christ) Judas asking "Is it I"?

Mat 26:25 Then Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said.

John 13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

Judas is called "a thief" (John 12:6)

Duet 24:7 If a man be found stealing any of his brethren of the children of Israel, and maketh merchandise of him, or selleth him; then that thief shall die; and thou shalt put evil away from among you.

Shown in Judas

Mat 26:15 What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver.

Following the psalms concerning Judas...

When he shall be judged, let him be condemned:

Mat 27:3a Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he **saw** that he was condemned, repented himself, (divided verse)

vs 11 Let the extortioner catch all that he hath


Mat 27:3b and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders

Mat 23:25 ...for within they are full of extortion and excess.

After he brings the silver again he said...

Mat 27:4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood.


vs12 Let there be none to extend mercy unto him



Mat 5:27 And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.


.....Let his days be few.


Mat 27:5... Judas went and hanged himself.


...and let another take his office.

Acts 1:26 ...and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Heres the hard part, Jesus said to "them" this

Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Which pertains to this (even that of bribery)


Job 15:24 For the congregation of hypocrites shallbe desolate, and fire shall consume the tabernaclesof bribery.

Heres what Im looking at


Judas Iscariot ....Iscariot = "men of Kerioth"

Amos 2:2 But I will send a fire upon Moab, and it shall devour the palaces of Kerioth: and Moab shall die


Confirmed in Psalms regarding the iniquity of his fathers


Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the LORD; and let not the sin of his mother be blotted out. 15 Let them be before the LORD continually, that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth.

So above speaks of his FATHERS (those before him) below speaks of his children (them who come after him) and the desolate places


9 Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.
10 Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.


This was said of Cain as well


I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth , (hid from his face)


Same here in regards to Isreal...Same word "wander" here

Numbers 32:13 And the LORD'S anger was kindled against Israel, and he made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until all the generation, that had done evil in the sight of the LORD, was consumed.



Yet just as Judas sold the Lord (the truth) Israel here (as well) set a low value upon him


Mat 27:9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value

Here it speaks of his poterity


Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out.


Posterity

1) after part, end
a) end, issue, event
b) latter time (prophetic for future time)
c) posterity
d) last, hindermost


Yet it does speak of branches broken off which could be compareable to the same (in some sense of the expression)

The disciples didnt know who it was... Asking WHO Lord...? And just as Judas (singular) WENT OUT and it was NIGHT, it says THEY (plural) WENT OUT from us here


1John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.


As Peter speaks of others making merchandise of you as Judas made merchandise of the Lord (the truth). It says "buy the truth SELL IT NOT" sorta a picture of what Judas was doing. They used as Judas used "feigned words"


2Peter 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.


Sorta like how Judas said, "why this waste it could have been sold and given to the poor (FEIGNED WORDS)


John 12:6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

1Peter 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer


A contrast between these two


Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.

In comparison

Psalm 37:25 I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.

Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. (even as Cain said I will be hid from your face) Jesus = ye will not see me again TILL

Sorta shows the same here


Job 3:14 With kings and counsellors of the earth, which built desolate places for themselves;

Acts 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.

Lastly, I will stop here (I just go around and around till it all clicks together)

Duet 27:25 Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Mat 27:4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood.

Then speaks of buying a feild known as a field of blood with the reward of his iniquity. Judas by trangression fell (having part in the ministry) to having no part in the ministry any longer) doing exactly as His counsel had said (what was "appointed") as even those which stumble at his word being disobedient is "appointed".

Mat 27:10 And gave them for the potter's field, as the Lord appointed me.

Mat 27:8 Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.

Mat 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Which to the same...

Job 15:24 For the congregation of hypocrites shall be desolate, and fire shall consume the tabernaclesof bribery.

Which speaks again (prophetically) in respects to Judas as it pertains to His fathers (Men of Kerioth) yet also to His prosterity prophetically (His children) left fatherless

Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.


These things are awesome when you seek them out how they connect from past to future tense in regards to him. You can go on and on as it speaks of cursed children etc. Its more then a first glance study but a combination of many verses speaking spiritually from past to present in many ways regarding him.



 
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The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned [Judg 13:5 / Num 6:5]
"Sanctioned" and evil are not the same. Try again.

God is not the author of evil[1 Cor 14:33 / Deut 32:4 / James 1:13]
No He's not the author of confusion. What's your point?


God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits to deceive [2 Thes 2:11 / 1 Kings 22:23 / Ezek 14:9]
God himself does not lie. You have nothing here.



Judas did not hang himself, but died another way [Acts 1:18]
This happened after he died. Nice try.

If you get your face out from where it should not be and get it where it should be, you would be able to see.

Also your reading a version that completely contradicts not only the Word of God but itself also.

You say your pro life and pro choice? Homosexual and Christian?
And you seek contradictions in the word of God???

Matthew 7:5
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
 
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"Some of us don't believe the Bible has contradictions including myself. I do in fact believe agnostics and atheists to be a fool."

I wouldn't say that they are a fool, unless they have once came to know Jesus Christ, then became an atheist or agnostic. People are products of there environments. So if they were raised by parents who did not believe in God and never learn any better, then that would be the reason why.
 
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James 5:9 Don't grumble against each other, brothers, or you will be judged. The Judge is standing at the door!

If this be true of how we treat each other, what does our GOD say about how we treat HIS WORD?

Psalm 141:3 Set a watch, O LORD, before my mouth; keep the door of my lips.

Mat 12:47 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

In regards to His (when we are judged we overcome by "His" sayings)

Romans 3:4 let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.


Prov 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

We prove all things and find others liars or true by His words

Rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

Just like the bereans

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Who loves him and who does not?

John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

The measuring line is His words, the proving of all things is against His words, the justifying and overcoming when your judged by others is by His words, the measuring of who loveth him not is again one who keeping not his sayings. Everyone is found a liar by the same. He stands at the door of our lips (one can say heart as well) for out of the overflow of ones heart the mouth speaks and we FILL UP in ourselves as in eating and drinking damnation and receiving the same by Him who says as we judge we shall be judged and by what measure we use it shall be meted back to us again. Spirit of judgment.
 
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"Some of us don't believe the Bible has contradictions including myself. I do in fact believe agnostics and atheists to be a fool."

I wouldn't say that they are a fool, unless they have once came to know Jesus Christ, then became an atheist or agnostic. People are products of there environments. So if they were raised by parents who did not believe in God and never learn any better, then that would be the reason why.

Psalms 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

God says so...

Lord Bless You Sister,
 
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The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned [Judg 13:5 / Num 6:5]

God is not the author of evil [1 Cor 14:33 / Deut 32:4 / James 1:13]


God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits to deceive [2 Thes 2:11 / 1 Kings 22:23 / Ezek 14:9]



Judas did not hang himself, but died another way [Acts 1:18]

The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned

Care to make your point? thnx

God is not the author of evil

Evil is a BAD translation, AND in context it is not speaking of moral evil but of the Hebraic parallel to DARKNESS . . . no dice

Isa 45:6-7
I am the LORD, and there is no other,
7 The One forming light and creating darkness,
Causing well-being and creating calamity;
I am the LORD who does all these.
NASU

God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits to deceive

Not the philosophical same thing as lying. His allowance of men unto their own devices, or solidifying in them what is already there, is not the same thing (2 Thess)

As for Ezekiel . . . just read the context:

Ezek 14:7-10
7 "For anyone of the house of Israel or of the immigrants who stay in Israel who separates himself from Me, sets up his idols in his heart, puts right before his face the stumbling block of his iniquity, and then comes to the prophet to inquire of Me for himself, I the LORD will be brought to answer him in My own person. 8 "I will set My face against that man and make him a sign and a proverb, and I will cut him off from among My people. So you will know that I am the LORD.
9 "But if the prophet is prevailed upon to speak a word, it is I, the LORD, who have prevailed upon that prophet, and I will stretch out My hand against him and destroy him from among My people Israel.
NASU

Deception is not in the Hebrew . . . sorry

As for the 1 kings passage . . . again, is it God who commands it? Read carefully

1 Kings 22:20-23
20 "The LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab to go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?' And one said this while another said that. 21 "Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.' 22 "The LORD said to him, 'How?' And he said, 'I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' Then He said, 'You are to entice him and also prevail. Go and do so.' 23 "Now therefore, behold, the LORD has put a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; and the LORD has proclaimed disaster against you."
NASU

The spirit itself had the idea . . . God allowed it. This does not make God a liar anymore than when He, under His sovereign rule, allows my 4 yeard old to lie about hitting his sister. Sorry.

The attribution of the act coming from the Lord is one of SANCTION not SOURCE.

Judas did not hang himself, but died another way

I am quite surprised at how many people still refer to this. It is really quite easy . . .

here is a site

Judas Iscariot Death -- Matthew vs. Acts

that places a few different explanations in light.

here is another:

How did Judas die, by hanging or falling down? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

that clearly articulates what would need to be true in order for a REAL contradiction to be a reality

I dont have time to type out the progressions personally as I have to bathe my kids.

Pax

MTK
 
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Its not secret God reccompenses

2Thes 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

1Sam 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

He knows the intent of hearts (As Saul sought to kill David) note the javelin?

1Sam 19:9 And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.

He creates both because he reccompenses

Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;


Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
 
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THATS NO KING JAMES BIBLE
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many FALSE prophets are gone out into the world.
 
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I thought these were interesting I followed the patern of these things and this is a purpose to them so Im posting these for better understanding if someone wants to regard them as it pertains to false prophets, lying spirits etc you can really catch what its about here (at least I think so)

Job 12:16 With him is strength and wisdom: the deceived and the deceiver are his.

1Kings 22:20 And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.

1Kings 22:21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.

1Kings 22:21 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

1Kings 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.


Ezek 14:9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

2Thes 2:9-11 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie

Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

1Cr 11:13 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

2Cr 10:18 For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth.

Duet 13:1-2 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

Duet 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

1Cr 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

Jerm 23:28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD.

Now here in relation to the chaff and the wheat it says...

Luke 3:17 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.

Jerm 5:14 Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.

John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

1Cr 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.


Romans 3:4.... let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Mat 12:27 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Prov 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Rev 2:2...and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars

1Thes 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

This appears to connect

Ezek 14:9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

2Thes 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming

 
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"Sanctioned" and evil are not the same. Try again.

No He's not the author of confusion. What's your point?


God himself does not lie. You have nothing here.



This happened after he died. Nice try.

If you get your face out from where it should not be and get it where it should be, you would be able to see.

Also your reading a version that completely contradicts not only the Word of God but itself also.

You say your pro life and pro choice? Homosexual and Christian?
And you seek contradictions in the word of God???

Matthew 7:5
Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
So, thats your answer, to simply handwave them away?

Big guns time...

GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.

GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.

GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.

GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.

GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.

GE 1:28 God encourages reproduction.
LE 12:1-8 God requires purification rites following childbirth which, in effect, makes childbirth a sin. (Note: The period for purification following the birth of a daughter is twice that for a son.)

GE 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.
GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation.
(Note: That God should be displeased is inconsistent with the concept of omniscience.)

GE 2:4, 4:26, 12:8, 22:14-16, 26:25 God was already known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) much earlier than the time of Moses.
EX 6:2-3 God was first known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) at the time of the Egyptian Bondage, during the life of Moses.

GE 2:17 Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit.
GE 5:5 Adam lived 930 years.

GE 2:15-17, 3:4-6 It is wrong to want to be able to tell good from evil.
HE 5:13-14 It is immature to be unable to tell good from evil.

GE 4:4-5 God prefers Abel's offering and has no regard for Cain's.
2CH 19:7, AC 10:34, RO 2:11 God shows no partiality. He treats all alike.

GE 4:9 God asks Cain where his brother Able is.
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from his view.

GE 4:15, DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8 God is a vengeful god.
EX 15:3, IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God is a warrior. God is a consuming fire.
EX 20:5, 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9, 6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a jealous god.
LE 26:7-8, NU 31:17-18, DT 20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19, EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is (sometimes) murder and killing.
NU 25:3-4, DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8, 17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is angry. His anger is sometimes fierce.
2SA 22:7-8 (KJV) "I called to the Lord; ... he heard my voice; ... The earth trembled and quaked, ... because he was angry. Smoke came from his nostrils. Consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it."
EZ 6:12, NA 1:2, 6 God is jealous and furious. He reserves wrath for, and takes revenge on, his enemies. "... who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? His fury is poured out like fire, and rocks are thrown down by him."
2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is love.
GA 5:22-23 The fruit of the Spirit of God is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

GE 4:16 Cain went away (or out) from the presence of the Lord.
JE 23:23-24 A man cannot hide from God. God fills heaven and earth.

GE 6:4 There were Nephilim (giants) before the Flood.
GE 7:21 All creatures other than Noah and his clan were annihilated by the Flood.
NU 13:33 There were Nephilim after the Flood.

GE 6:6. EX 32:14, NU 14:20, 1SA 15:35, 2SA 24:16 God does change his mind.
NU 23:19-20, 1SA 15:29, JA 1:17 God does not change his mind.

GE 6:19-22, 7:8-9, 7:14-16 Two of each kind are to be taken, and are taken, aboard Noah's Ark.
GE 7:2-5 Seven pairs of some kinds are to be taken (and are taken) aboard the Ark.

GE 7:1 Noah was righteous.
JB 1:1,8, JB 2:3 Job was righteous.
LK 1:6 Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous.
JA 5:16 Some men are righteous, (which makes their prayers effective).
1JN 3:6-9 Christians become righteous (or else they are not really Christians).
RO 3:10, 3:23, 1JN 1:8-10 No one was or is righteous.

GE 7:7 Noah and his clan enter the Ark.
GE 7:13 They enter the Ark (again?).

GE 11:7-9 God sows discord.
PR 6:16-19 God hates anyone who sows discord.

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Evil is a BAD translation, AND in context it is not speaking of moral evil but of the Hebraic parallel to DARKNESS . . . no dice

You're saying "bad translation"???

I do sincerely hope you arent one of the people who pops a gasket anytime a homosexual advocate tries to point out that homosexual is a "bad translation" of various phrases in the Bible.

I'd also point out that "bad translation" neatly knocks the idea of Biblical infallibality and infallible transmission on the head.
 
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GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.(1 John 1:5)

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. (Gen 1:5)

In this verse there was already darkness upon the earth. You assume darkness is a automatic state but require there be a sun for there to be light. Not only is God light, but can also create light without the need for the creation of the sun. Don't forget, it is God that gives the sun it's light as well.


GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.

And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. (Gen 1:16-19)

We see here that God created these two lights to rule the day and night. And just as the moon has no light without the sun, the sun has no light without God. They were set there for man to keep track of time.

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:



Isaiah 55:8
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

2 Timothy Chapter 3
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Should I keep going?
 
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Is this falling away finding fault with the Word of GOD?

Matthew 13:21 But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away.

Mark 4:17 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away.

Isaiah 57:4 Whom are you mocking? At whom do you sneer and stick out your tongue? Are you not a brood of rebels, the offspring of liars?
 
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You're saying "bad translation"???

I do sincerely hope you arent one of the people who pops a gasket anytime a homosexual advocate tries to point out that homosexual is a "bad translation" of various phrases in the Bible.

I'd also point out that "bad translation" neatly knocks the idea of Biblical infallibality and infallible transmission on the head.

I do sincerely hope you arent one of the people who pops a gasket anytime a homosexual advocate tries to point out that homosexual is a "bad translation" of various phrases in the Bible.

Nope. I kno that the passages are "male prostitute" and "cultic prostitute" . . . doesnt change Paul denouncing Homosexuality in Romans 1 and 2 tho . . . :)


I'd also point out that "bad translation" neatly knocks the idea of Biblical infallibality and infallible transmission on the head

Infallibility does not extend to transmission . . . it has only and always will refer to the autographa and not the manuscripts. So, "bad translation" does nothing against inerrancy . . . sorry.
 
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So, thats your answer, to simply handwave them away?

Big guns time...

GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.

GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.

GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.

GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created.
GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.

GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time.
GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.

GE 1:28 God encourages reproduction.
LE 12:1-8 God requires purification rites following childbirth which, in effect, makes childbirth a sin. (Note: The period for purification following the birth of a daughter is twice that for a son.)

GE 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.
GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation.
(Note: That God should be displeased is inconsistent with the concept of omniscience.)

GE 2:4, 4:26, 12:8, 22:14-16, 26:25 God was already known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) much earlier than the time of Moses.
EX 6:2-3 God was first known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) at the time of the Egyptian Bondage, during the life of Moses.

GE 2:17 Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit.
GE 5:5 Adam lived 930 years.

GE 2:15-17, 3:4-6 It is wrong to want to be able to tell good from evil.
HE 5:13-14 It is immature to be unable to tell good from evil.

GE 4:4-5 God prefers Abel's offering and has no regard for Cain's.
2CH 19:7, AC 10:34, RO 2:11 God shows no partiality. He treats all alike.

GE 4:9 God asks Cain where his brother Able is.
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from his view.

GE 4:15, DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8 God is a vengeful god.
EX 15:3, IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God is a warrior. God is a consuming fire.
EX 20:5, 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9, 6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a jealous god.
LE 26:7-8, NU 31:17-18, DT 20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19, EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is (sometimes) murder and killing.
NU 25:3-4, DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8, 17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is angry. His anger is sometimes fierce.
2SA 22:7-8 (KJV) "I called to the Lord; ... he heard my voice; ... The earth trembled and quaked, ... because he was angry. Smoke came from his nostrils. Consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it."
EZ 6:12, NA 1:2, 6 God is jealous and furious. He reserves wrath for, and takes revenge on, his enemies. "... who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? His fury is poured out like fire, and rocks are thrown down by him."
2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is love.
GA 5:22-23 The fruit of the Spirit of God is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

GE 4:16 Cain went away (or out) from the presence of the Lord.
JE 23:23-24 A man cannot hide from God. God fills heaven and earth.

GE 6:4 There were Nephilim (giants) before the Flood.
GE 7:21 All creatures other than Noah and his clan were annihilated by the Flood.
NU 13:33 There were Nephilim after the Flood.

GE 6:6. EX 32:14, NU 14:20, 1SA 15:35, 2SA 24:16 God does change his mind.
NU 23:19-20, 1SA 15:29, JA 1:17 God does not change his mind.

GE 6:19-22, 7:8-9, 7:14-16 Two of each kind are to be taken, and are taken, aboard Noah's Ark.
GE 7:2-5 Seven pairs of some kinds are to be taken (and are taken) aboard the Ark.

GE 7:1 Noah was righteous.
JB 1:1,8, JB 2:3 Job was righteous.
LK 1:6 Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous.
JA 5:16 Some men are righteous, (which makes their prayers effective).
1JN 3:6-9 Christians become righteous (or else they are not really Christians).
RO 3:10, 3:23, 1JN 1:8-10 No one was or is righteous.

GE 7:7 Noah and his clan enter the Ark.
GE 7:13 They enter the Ark (again?).

GE 11:7-9 God sows discord.
PR 6:16-19 God hates anyone who sows discord.

Want more?


Big guns huh?

^_^

K, I will deal with this as I have a moment . . .:)

(then we will see if your cannons actually have ammo!;):D)
 
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GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created.
These were the trees of the entire earth.



GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.
These are the trees in the Garden that the Lord planted.

And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
 
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GE 2:17 Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit.
GE 5:5 Adam lived 930 years.

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, AND A THOUSAND YEARS as one day.

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