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The Bible speaks of a second death. Once for the body, once for the soul. We accept the death of the body as natural and inevitable. When life ends, we lose awareness of physical existence in the first death. If the fires cause the second death, then there is a chance we will hardly know what hit our spirits.

But I can't say this for sure. Churches have taught eternal suffering for centuries, so it is ingrained in us that Hell goes on and on for a person.

Look at some of the verses quoted above...
"Has eternal life" -- contrast that with no eternal life.
 
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I belive that only truly evil people are sent to hell.

Heaven wouldnt be heaven if everyone who believed in God and repented if went there. You can be evil and believe in god just as you can be good without believing in god.

Being good doesnt come from asking forgiveness, being good comes from making mistakes!! If you lie and you see that it hurts people you will know that it is wrong! But it isnt ok if you can just ask god to forgive you for it, because if you dont get punished for it you will probably do it again!

When you cant get instant forgiveness for things it builds character and you are less likely to hurt people or do evil in the future.
 
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Google the issue. Stick to scripture, beyond that, not just what current dogma is.

Question current dogma. That is what Jesus did.

"Test all things, hold fast to what is true". (Paul).


People tend to think if everyone believes something it must be true, and if everyone doesn't believe something it must not be true.

Nobody believed in Jesus when he came. Only the twelve.

They had delight at first, then fell away.


People don't keep the truth because it is of Heaven. They are of earth. It does not compute.


There have been near endless mythologies about Hell. I have heard it all. I don't mind reading even a Dante's Comedy, but I don't take it as God's word.

A lot of the most ludicrous mythologies were believed for centuries.


Matthew 7


13"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.




That saying is very important to remember. It is also true on truth that does not have saving value.



Assuming otherwise is not believing what Jesus taught.
 
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I am 32 years old and have just recently accepted Jesus as my savior. However, I still have an awful struggle. I thought I would feel so happy and uplifted. I mean I do, but I also feel absolutely sick to my stomach... about Hell.

Based on Christian beliefs, and the fact that we must consciously make the decision for Jesus to save us, I cannot bear the fact that so many people have not done this. If this is the only way to Heaven, and everyone else will be eternally tormented, then most of my friends and family are on their way there... along with way too many other good people in this world.

Here are my questions. Does accepting Jesus really have to be a "conscious" decision? Can you accept him on a subconscious level too? What about all the truly good people in this world who live their lives helping others who are not religious? They are going to Hell anyway even though they have lived good lives? What about the people who are not shown the way? This does not seem right to me. Even after I personally have made the conscious decision, I still feel like if I hadn't maybe I still would have gone to heaven anyway. Does this make sense?

How do Christians deal with believing that so many people, are going to be tortured for all of eternity? It seems extremely unfair and unjust. It seems self centered of us to just accept that without feeling pain. It's like a heavy burden. If God is so loving why doesn't he do a better job at convincing everyone? For me personally, I feel too much of a burden to be really happy right now. I have so much compassion for others that the thought of them going to Hell hurts me deeply. Not just compassion for "good" people either, I even feel this for "bad" people. I don't feel like anyone deserves Hell if it is as bad as it is made out to be.

What can I do to find peace within myself? Please help me find peace.

Hello OpenEyes7,

I think that you feel this way because there is a good chance that you were not told the truth about sin and its ugliness. If you will be in prayer though, God will open your eyes to understanding.

A question I have: When you "made a decision for Christ," did the pastor or person counseling you say anything about sin? When you heard the Gospel preached, did you ever feel a conviciton of your wrongdoings and the great offense that it is to God? Or, as far as you were told, was it essentially jumping over from the line to hell in the line to heaven? It kind of sounds like that's what you were given.

If you weren't talked to honestly about sin, and about its true grievousness to God, then I can understand why hell makes no sense to you.

I want to give you some verses, and then you can take these into consideration of your questions on hell. These helped me understand, and no doubt these will help open your eyes brother.

Romans 3:10-12 - "As it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS,THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS;THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."
Psalm 51:5 - "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me."
Psalm 58:3 - "The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak lies go astray from birth."
Isaiah 64:6 - "For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away."
Jeremiah 17:9 - "The heart is more deceitful than all else and is desperately sick; Who can understand it?"
Romans 6:23 - "For all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God"
John 6:44 - "No man can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws Him."

You need to understand friend, sin is more than just that thing you have to apologize to God for, but is the essential reason for the existence of hell. If you look through these verses, you find the following things hold true:

Who is righteous? No one. Not even one.
Who seeks God? None.
Who is sinful? Every one, without exception.
How sinful? Exceedingly, that even their good works are sinful.
Do they love their sin? Yes. So much that they would never forsake their sin to come to Christ and live unless the Holy Spirit transforms them.
Since when are they sinful? Since birth. The very heart of the man is corrupt.
Who deserves hell? Everyone, without exception.

After properly absorbing this, consider the weight of the law of God.

Deuteronomy 27:26 - "Cursed is he who does not confirm the words of this law by doing them.' And all the people shall say, 'Amen.'"
Psalm 19:7 - "The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul; the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple."
Romans 10:5 - "For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness."
Galatians 3:10 - "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them."
Hebrews 12:14 - "Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord."
Matthew 5:48 - "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."

There is more. Take a read through Romans 2 and you find that all men, Jew and Gentile, are cursed because of their inability to keep the perfect law of God. And the reason they cannot do it is because of the point made in the last set of verses; none is righteous, everyone is in rebellion and by nature possesses an evil, unbelieving heart. And so, the sentence to hell is a combination of both their utter sinfulness and wickedness (which God will not have in His sight) and theif failure to keep a perfectly good law perfectly. There is a sanctification, a degree of righteousness, a standard of holiness without which no one may stand in the presence of God or have eternal life.

How do you deal with it? Really, admit that the law of God is good, and God is perfectly just. By this standard, were God to let the whole human race go to hell, he would have been just to do it. If you can look into the hearts of men, you will find that there is no one who is good, no one who deserves eternal life, and no one who can make an argument to God that he deserves anything but eternal wrath.

For those who never heard the Gospel? They are under the same charge of wickedness, but those who died without the law will perish without the law (Romans 2:12). They will only be held accountable to the light of their conscience, but even they are cursed for failure to have perfect conformity to what they did know. The case is much more severe though for someone who grows up with the Gospel all his life. He knows more of the law of God, has much more light, much more accountability, much more exposure, and far more charges to answer for in which he cannot plead ignorance. They have rejected more light, which totals up to greater wickedness. That's why Christ said that it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gamorrah on the Day of Judgment than for the Jews who rejected Christ.

To make some clarifications though, the law of God was meant to show man his wickedness. The last verse I quoted, Matthew 5:48, are the very words of Jesus. It means sinlessness and flawlessness. He said that because we must understand the full weight of the law, and Paul confirms it in Galatians: Sinless perfection.

And then of course, no one meets that standard! Romans 3:10-12 says that itself. And of course, that was the point of Christ being crucified; to fulfill that standard of righteousness for believers. In this way, we do not need to fulfill the law, because it has been fulfilled for us. We have been made perfect by Christ before God.

However, people are not going to go to hell because they didn't make a choice to believe in Jesus, but because they are sinners who love their sin. A preacher named Paris Reidhead talked about an experience he had where he went to go evangelize to a tribe that never heard the Gospel before, thinking they were simply shrouded in ignorance, but when he got there he said they were "monsters of iniquity!" He was surprised how much they actually knew about God, but the worst part is that they loved their sin so much that they refused to come to Christ, embracing the very cancer that was killing them. That is the case with all men who don't come. It's not that they don't come because they didn't have the smarts or the intelligence or the reasoning, but because they love their sin. Many who will never hear the Gospel will never come to Christ even if they did hear it for the reason that they love their sin too much. The case is so desperate that Jesus Christ said, "No man can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws Him" (John 6:44). That is, unless God first acted on the human heart, the wickedness of man is too great to allow him to come to Christ. But when you are drawn to Christ and you are born again, the sin stays behind. It does not come with you. The rest of your life becomes a quest to forsake and abandon sin, and to be conformed to the image of Christ. For this reason, because the sin must stay behind, most do not come to Christ.

If you can get these into your mind, you will understand why it is that hell is perfectly just for all without exception. And if you seek the Lord, you will find peace. Ask God to reveal these things to your heart, and to help you understand. He will.

Jake
 
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I belive that only truly evil people are sent to hell.

Heaven wouldnt be heaven if everyone who believed in God and repented if went there. You can be evil and believe in god just as you can be good without believing in god.

Being good doesnt come from asking forgiveness, being good comes from making mistakes!! If you lie and you see that it hurts people you will know that it is wrong! But it isnt ok if you can just ask god to forgive you for it, because if you dont get punished for it you will probably do it again!

When you cant get instant forgiveness for things it builds character and you are less likely to hurt people or do evil in the future.

Dear Josephine;

Why do you indicate that you are a Christian? Believing Jesus existed does not make you a Christian. Jesus gave His life for you – what exactly do you think His sacrifice accomplished for you?

FYI: Did you know that, in the New Testament, the Greek word often translated as evil is also often translated as unbelief?

Please think on these things.

Blessings
 
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Dear OpenEyes7;

Please be encouraged. God is not willing that any should perish! He will move Heaven and Earth to give everyone the opportunity to choose Life and Blessing, rather than Death and Cursing. Jesus will visit individuals Himself, if necessary. If someone, with their last breath, calls on the Name of Jesus, they will be saved (even those thought of as evil by many).

Matthew 18:14
2 Peter 3:9

Blessings
 
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I am 32 years old and have just recently accepted Jesus as my savior. However, I still have an awful struggle. I thought I would feel so happy and uplifted. I mean I do, but I also feel absolutely sick to my stomach... about Hell.

Based on Christian beliefs, and the fact that we must consciously make the decision for Jesus to save us, I cannot bear the fact that so many people have not done this. If this is the only way to Heaven, and everyone else will be eternally tormented, then most of my friends and family are on their way there... along with way too many other good people in this world.

Here are my questions. Does accepting Jesus really have to be a "conscious" decision? Can you accept him on a subconscious level too? What about all the truly good people in this world who live their lives helping others who are not religious? They are going to Hell anyway even though they have lived good lives? What about the people who are not shown the way? This does not seem right to me. Even after I personally have made the conscious decision, I still feel like if I hadn't maybe I still would have gone to heaven anyway. Does this make sense?

How do Christians deal with believing that so many people, are going to be tortured for all of eternity? It seems extremely unfair and unjust. It seems self centered of us to just accept that without feeling pain. It's like a heavy burden. If God is so loving why doesn't he do a better job at convincing everyone? For me personally, I feel too much of a burden to be really happy right now. I have so much compassion for others that the thought of them going to Hell hurts me deeply. Not just compassion for "good" people either, I even feel this for "bad" people. I don't feel like anyone deserves Hell if it is as bad as it is made out to be.

What can I do to find peace within myself? Please help me find peace.

This shows you have compassion for others. We all have compassion for others or we wouldn't care what happens to others. We may all have some family that is not accepting Jesus, that they live entirely separate evil lives that we wish they did not live in such ways.
It is all about the Freedom of Choice, God does not want slaves, but God wants volunteers. Those that follow God on their own free will are stronger followers than slaves are. God wants us to have that freedom to choose, but those who do not choose Jesus will just end up in a very bad place. It is like a child rebels against their parents they are punished. Much is the same here, God is our Father in Heaven. He wants to see us all come home to Him, but those who choose not to will be punished for rebelling against God.

Everyone is born innocent. It is the choices that we make that make up if you are good or bad in life, if we choose Jesus or not, if we get sucked into evil ways and find it hard to leave that kind of life for Jesus. It is choices for each and every one of us, for those around us, but we cannot force anyone to accept Jesus. We can only put the seed (the word of Jesus) in their mind and let them choose. We can look for an opportunity to present that to them, but we can also correct them (which they won't like and an argument may start), but at least if you care enough about them you can try. That is all you can do.

It is also why the Lord Jesus has said, this world and all things in it will pass away. We will not remember this world, our loved ones, our pets or anything of our past from this world when we leave this world.
It is because of our compassion we have, the love we have for others, the feelings we get involved in, the family we so much adore that Jesus knows that some of them will not be in Heaven with you that is why you will not remember this world or anything that happened here after you enter Heaven. As for those in hell, they probably will remember this world so they can remember what they are being punished for. That wasn't exactly said, but it would be the most logical.

We can only do our best to share the Word with others. Then it is up for them to choose whom they will follow. Satan hates all mankind and wants no one to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, for he was thrown out and he of course wants to be there. However, after his revolt against God, God found that angels with free will cannot be allowed such as satan who try to take over heaven, which truly was stupid of satan since if God created him then God can surely destroy him. So God created mankind to find those who will freely follow God and the the Lord Jesus.

I know it is hard, but yes I am sure it even breaks Gods heart to see so many who will not follow Him be sent to hell. However, you would not want a theif, a rapist, or a completely evil person living in your home and be able to sleep well at night, so God does not want such things in His home either. Sure if they change their ways and follow God they are forgiven, but if they refuse to follow God, then there is only punishment waiting for them.
 
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God told me that the idea of eternal hell is not correct. What everyone should do is
FIRST, to develop a relationship with God where they are on the talking basis, where they can ask Him questions and He answers them. Where they feel comfortable enough to believe Him when He replies, when they can tell that it's Him telling them things (instead of saying that it must have been the deceiver talking to them)

THEN, ask Him. DO NOT accept what other people have heard from God (or think they heard from God) or worse yet, what people have ASSUMED all by themselves based on writings of others. YOU ask Him for YOU and whatever HE tells YOU, believe that.

After God told me about this, I tried to find some support in the Bible, because I know that people need that, they wouldn't just be able to believe anything anybody says (and they shouldn't either). So I wrote this here.
http://www.christianforums.com/t7437431/


But still, the best answer you can get ONLY directly from God. Not what other people got from God, but what YOU yourself heard from God. Follow that rule, and you'll find your way destined for you. Go after people's ideas or what they heard, and you'll be nowhere...
 
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I am 32 years old and have just recently accepted Jesus as my savior. However, I still have an awful struggle. I thought I would feel so happy and uplifted. I mean I do, but I also feel absolutely sick to my stomach... about Hell.

Based on Christian beliefs, and the fact that we must consciously make the decision for Jesus to save us, I cannot bear the fact that so many people have not done this. If this is the only way to Heaven, and everyone else will be eternally tormented, then most of my friends and family are on their way there... along with way too many other good people in this world.

Here are my questions. Does accepting Jesus really have to be a "conscious" decision? Can you accept him on a subconscious level too? What about all the truly good people in this world who live their lives helping others who are not religious? They are going to Hell anyway even though they have lived good lives? What about the people who are not shown the way? This does not seem right to me. Even after I personally have made the conscious decision, I still feel like if I hadn't maybe I still would have gone to heaven anyway. Does this make sense?

How do Christians deal with believing that so many people, are going to be tortured for all of eternity? It seems extremely unfair and unjust. It seems self centered of us to just accept that without feeling pain. It's like a heavy burden. If God is so loving why doesn't he do a better job at convincing everyone? For me personally, I feel too much of a burden to be really happy right now. I have so much compassion for others that the thought of them going to Hell hurts me deeply. Not just compassion for "good" people either, I even feel this for "bad" people. I don't feel like anyone deserves Hell if it is as bad as it is made out to be.

What can I do to find peace within myself? Please help me find peace.

Love God with all your heart, with all your mind, with all your soul, with all your strenght.

The closer you get to this...the more peaceful you will be in your heart,mind,and soul,and life.
 
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The way I think of the seriousness of sin is that if sin was allowed to, it would destroy everything that is good so love would be destroyed peace, gentleness, compassion, self control,meekness,long suffering in fact every good thing would be away.
What are we left with but the opposite of the above to the most extreme extent possible! Not only that but a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump so a very little amount of sin would always end up growing into something that would destroy everything.
 
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I'm not in the habit of saying who will and will not go to hell, that's up to God to decide not me. Having faith in Jesus Christ is a universal way to be saved, God sent him so that we may all be saved unconditionally and grow as good people here on earth. Although I'm more non-denominational nowadays, I was raised Catholic and as such take alot of theological inspiration from the RC Church, so personally I don't believe in a fiery pit, but rather a place devoid of love because of its distance from God, God condemns noone to there, people who end up there go because they have chosen to live lives distant and remote from God. There is an interesting passage in the Bible, I think it is in Romans, but i'm not sure. It talks about how God has written a law onto mankinds heart, and that if we obey this law, even if we are not of the Christian faith, we are by-proxy glorifying Christ, because Christ is love. Personally, God is not a human, and I don't like to see him in abstract terms, God is God, and I refuse to limit him in what he can do, so I tend to leave that up to him, and when it comes to evangelism i'd rather tell someone of Christ's love rather than condemning people to hell for not believing in him, that's not my job.
 
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