My wife received gold Teeth over the weekend

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You clearly don't have the decency to apologise for your blatantly wrong claims about my posts.

I honestly have no idea what you want me to apologize for. That's why I'm asking you the question; Do you not think it's important to try the spirits? From everything I've discussed with you on this forum, I would say that you think trying the spirits is important.

So here I sit, wondering what the heck I've said that is "blatantly wrong" about your posts.

You even go as far as to deny you said what you said.

I know what I said. So does everyone else who can read.

I never said that you were the one that introduced the phrase "try the spirits" to the discussions when a testimony was presented. What's sad is, you know that, and yet you still try to insist that I did. As much as it would help your accusations if I did, it simply is not true, and I am disheartened that you would resort to such tactics in an attempt to disparage me.

So I suppose I can apologize for not being more clear, or for causing you to jump to incorrect conclusions with the way I chose to word my post, but I'm not apologizing for your wrong understanding of what I actually said.

FTR, I had decided that I would answer your question if you apologised. But that ship has now left...

Well, it looks like this is where I get to exercise my healthy dose of skepticism...

You've concocted this whole woe-is-me scenario, painted me as the bad guy, and claimed that I need to apologize for things I've said about your posts that are "blatantly wrong", yet you've absolutely refused to clarify what it is you want me to apologize for.

I suspect that is because you do think it is important to try the spirits, and if you answered that way, it would seem quite silly for me to apologize for saying so.

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:D Coming from you, I'll take that as a compliment






Let's read what you actually said:

"I'm asking you, how should we "try the spirits" in this situation? This seems to be of utmost importance to you (seeing as how most any time a testimony is presented, the phrase finds its way into the conversation), but you're completely unwilling (or maybe unable) to expound upon what you actually mean."

A grade school understanding of English (which I credit you with) reveals the whole sentence was talking about me; referencing me before the parenthesis and after the parenthesis. The section in parenthesis elaborates on your belief that this phrase is of the utmost importance to me.

What would be the point of emphasizing how often the phrase is brought up by other people, when the whole thrust of your point is how important you think the phrase is to me?



I’ll refer you back to my first answer to you on this question:





And those are three words which I don't think I've ever even used at CF. Well you certainly haven't been able to produce a single quote.

EDIT : Here's the whole passage:

A. W. Tozer

"Many tender-minded Christians fear to sin against love by daring to inquire into anything that comes wearing the cloak of Christianity and breathing the name of Jesus.

They dare not examine the credentials of the latest prophet to hit their town lest they be guilty of rejecting something which may be of God.

They timidly remember how the Pharisees refused to accept Christ when He came, and they do not want to be caught in the same snare, so they either reserve judgment or shut their eyes and accept everything without question.

This is supposed to indicate a high degree of spirituality. But in sober fact it indicates no such thing. It may indeed be evidence of the absence of the Holy Spirit.

Gullibility is not synonymous with spirituality.

Faith is not a mental habit leading its possessor to open his mouth and swallow everything that has about it the color of the supernatural. Faith keeps its heart open to whatever is of God, and rejects everything that is not of God, however wonderful it may be.

Try the spirits is a command of the Holy Spirit to the Church.

We may sin as certainly by approving the spurious as by rejecting the genuine. And the current habit of refusing to take sides is not the way to avoid the question.

To appraise things with a heart of love and then to act on the results is an obligation resting upon every Christian in the world. And the more as we see the day approaching."


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Amen and amen to that wonderful Tozer quote. It speaks the truth and true words of wisdom. We do have an obligation to test all things. I think people are afeaid of certain leaders who have them surfing every wind of doctrine, they are tossed to and fro with hero worship.
 
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Does anyone else remember the last time someone came here and posted a thread about her new gold fillings?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7248631/

Turns out the filling wasn't gold, it just sparkled more than it used to.

And then, the one before that:

http://www.christianforums.com/t3262453/

Turns out it was always gold.
Thank you for those links, very informative, especially the article by Derek Prince on discernment. He had alot of experience with spiritual discernment and warfare.
 
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What should that limit be? Virgin birth? Dead men rising? Shadows healing people? Prisoners being supernaturally set free from jail?

Where exactly would you suggest we place the "limit"?

:cool:


Ya gotta love how angels break a man out of jail then escort him through the town and then open the huge locked gates of the town so he could leave? I mean, they could have just whisked him away but nooooo, they walk him through the town and out the gates. Go figure! :)

I personally don't understand why God did not give the lady in the op all NEW teeth. However, God can and does do what HE wants and I shudder at the idea of calling anything HE does "shallow". To the one who is making use of what HE did for them, I'm sure it's not shallow either. In their thankfulness for the "little" things God has done for them, I'm sure there are huge, huge one's further down the line.
 
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Ya gotta love how angels break a man out of jail then escort him through the town and then open the huge locked gates of the town so he could leave? I mean, they could have just whisked him away but nooooo, they walk him through the town and out the gates. Go figure! :)

I personally don't understand why God did not give the lady in the op all NEW teeth. However, God can and does do what HE wants and I shudder at the idea of calling anything HE does "shallow". To the one who is making use of what HE did for them, I'm sure it's not shallow either. In their thankfulness for the "little" things God has done for them, I'm sure there are huge, huge one's further down the line.

amen, I shudder at alot of things I read on here. Truly is scary!
 
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amen, I shudder at alot of things I read on here. Truly is scary!

Indeed. The things people will attribute to God due to some feeling or liver-shiver or will accept just because it's labeled "god" on the packaging just boggles the mind.

It's almost as if they pretend we weren't warned over and over and over and over in the scriptures about these cunning deceptions.

I do indeed shudder as well.
 
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Indeed. The things people will attribute to God due to some feeling or liver-shiver or will accept just because it's labeled "god" on the packaging just boggles the mind.

It's almost as if they pretend we weren't warned over and over and over and over in the scriptures about these cunning deceptions.

I do indeed shudder as well.

Thank you. :thumbsup:
 
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So the story begins with Friday night at the conference. Heidi Baker spoke and prayed for healing for several different conditions. People's feet , knees , backs , deaf people , etc. A bunch were healed.

Then John Arnot prayed for people to get dental miracles , including gold teeth. There were probably about 3000 there for that service. After praying they asked people to check one another's mouths to see. About 15 people went up on stage to testify about receiving gold teeth immeadiately. I tryed checking my wife's teeth but nothing had changed.

We went home after and got a few hours sleep. Saturday morning we got up early and drove back to toronto and got in line for the doors opening at 9 a.m. While we were waiting in line , I noticed that my wife had two gold fillings in her mouth. In the bright light outside it was really obvious. We showed some of the people around us in line and they got really excited and a prayer and praise time broke out in the line.My wife also noticed while she was checking her mouth that she had two new white teeth that had replaced two teeth that had fillings.

All through the day , we testifyed to people. Several people responded by telling us what miracle they were believing G-d for and asked us to pray together with them for their miracles. Saturday evening right before the evening service , we were asked if we would testify in front of the church. My wife is very shy but we decided that since G-d did a miracle , it would be right for us to give testimony.

So my wife testified and I said a few words. Then they shined a light in her mouth while the camara zoomed in and they were able to show the gold teeth to the crowd.

After the service during the prayer time , a few dozen people came to us and asked if we would pray with them for their miracles that they needed in their life.

Sunday morning , we woke up and I wanted to look into my wife's mouth again and noticed that during the night there were now two more brand new teeth.

Receiving a miracle does not make a person an expert on why G-d does what he does. But we have prayed about it and G-d has spoken a few things to us.

First , we are to testify about what G-d has done boldly and without adding to it our own ideas. We are to do so without prejudging people's responses or post judging their responses. That is G-d's business. Not a burden for us to carry. We are not to try and predict other people's responses.

My wife has boldly testifyed at work these past few days and is seeing amazing responses. Her workplace is a mix of some christians and some unsaved. Last year , she prayed for a co-worker's mother who had cancer and she was healed. It was very serious and the co-worker asked my wife to pray because it was life threatening. The next day her mother went in for an exam before surgery and the cancer had disappeared. The mother is Catholic and gave glory to G-d for that miracle. Also when my wife started working there business was average and my wife told the manager staright out when he asked her in the interview for the job that the reason she was there is G-d told her to work there. He is not a believer and was skeptical . But since she started there business has tripled. Into this context my wife showed up with her new teeth on monday.

My wife also had an unusual experience today. A customer randomly looked at my wife and started yelling. She screamed "STOP LOOKING INTO MY SOUL" and then ran out of the restaurant screaming. It made a real impact on the other workers to see the demonic woman run out like that.

The second thing G-d spoke to us was that we have freely received and so we should freely give. We got a glimpse of that already. After her testimony at the conference , my wife had four women follow her into the washroom waiting outside the stall for her to prayer for them. We felt G-d was saying to not turn people away when they ask for prayer.

We have prayed for a lot of people the past four days.

Anyway, we are having fun just seeing what new adventure G-d has for us each day.
 
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It saddens me because I see to many that are not about bearing fruit,but rather they are getting swept away in all this.It seems some are all about "miracles".Besides,what kind of testimony is that anyway? Peter who was close to death,stressed virtue.That shows the heart of a true apostle.
Who knows enough about the nature and character of God to say to Him, "Why did You do it that way?" If God has decided to do the dental work in the manner He did, that is His business, and He did it that way through the mystery of His will.

What you are doing is criticising the Holy Spirit, because these people did not heal themselves, and they didn't go to the dentist. They got miracle dental work as they waited on God and worshipped Him. Therefore it was God who did it. Your comment then is against no one else but God.

Maybe you have some serious praying to do, don't you think?
 
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I've always had an issue with gold teeth, because it's still a damaged tooth with a gaping hole in the middle of it. Except now it has a metal in it that will expand and contract over time, causing even more damage eventually.

Plus, what's the point of having gold in your tooth anyway? It's not like you can go to the store and spend it. Future graverobber enrichment perhaps.

It's not a healing and its not a blessing, what is it exactly?
If it was God who decided to do it that way, He is well beyond the range of your comments. You may not be out of range of his chastisement for darkening counsel without knowledge.
 
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The mainstream media reported on these claims a lot in 1999.

See here:

Apologetics research resources on religious cults and sects - Dental Miracles and Gold Dust


Gold teeth can come from:

  • Poor memory (gold was used by denist in the past)
  • God
  • Demonic miracle
  • Mistaken identification of shiny metal (only looks like gold)
Dental records are a wonderful thing :)



peace,
Simon
Right OP, produce the dental records to prove the doubters wrong! That should settle this one.
 
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The limit should be wherever the Holy Spirit says. I don't know about any of you, but He cautions me to have a healthy dose of skepticism so that I'm not deceived by whatever fantastical claim comes down the pike.

But you can believe whatever fictitious nonsense floats your boat. :wave:
PRobinson, this person may not realise that you were alluding to different ways people got healed in the New Testament. Is this person referring to the healings in New Testament fictitious nonsense?
 
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^_^

That made me LOL.

:cool:
You know that story when Jesus healed a blind man who was blind from birth, and afterwards there was this great debate about it among all the religious people; and all the healed guy could say was there was this man who laid his hands on my eyes and now I can see.

Doesn't this story illustrate what is going on in this thread?
:D:D;)
 
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If one were to come on here and proclaim they went to a meeting and God gave them a third arm that sticks out their backside, would you just believe it because they said God did it? I hope not.
I guess if they testified that they received two of their teeth sticking out of their backside, I might have doubts. But seriously, these people were in a meeting worshiping Jesus and the wife got fillings and new teeth.

If you were in a meeting worshiping the Lord and suddenly someone came up to you and said, "God has told me to give you this thousand dollars", would you refuse to accept it, saying that it is coming from some mystic source instead of the Holy Spirit?

I would believe that you might refuse it if you were in the middle of a spiritist seance...
 
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Only thing I don't understand is why not make them as good as new?
When God healed the crippled He didn't give them prosthetic limbs, He fully Restored them.
When God healed the blind, He didn't give them glasses, He fully restored them.
So why when it comes to teeth doesn't he do the same? (Fully restore them)


You tell me and we'll both know...
 
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So the story begins with Friday night at the conference. Heidi Baker spoke and prayed for healing for several different conditions. People's feet , knees , backs , deaf people , etc. A bunch were healed.

Then John Arnot prayed for people to get dental miracles , including gold teeth. There were probably about 3000 there for that service. After praying they asked people to check one another's mouths to see. About 15 people went up on stage to testify about receiving gold teeth immeadiately. I tryed checking my wife's teeth but nothing had changed.

We went home after and got a few hours sleep. Saturday morning we got up early and drove back to toronto and got in line for the doors opening at 9 a.m. While we were waiting in line , I noticed that my wife had two gold fillings in her mouth. In the bright light outside it was really obvious. We showed some of the people around us in line and they got really excited and a prayer and praise time broke out in the line.My wife also noticed while she was checking her mouth that she had two new white teeth that had replaced two teeth that had fillings.

All through the day , we testifyed to people. Several people responded by telling us what miracle they were believing G-d for and asked us to pray together with them for their miracles. Saturday evening right before the evening service , we were asked if we would testify in front of the church. My wife is very shy but we decided that since G-d did a miracle , it would be right for us to give testimony.

So my wife testified and I said a few words. Then they shined a light in her mouth while the camara zoomed in and they were able to show the gold teeth to the crowd.

After the service during the prayer time , a few dozen people came to us and asked if we would pray with them for their miracles that they needed in their life.

Sunday morning , we woke up and I wanted to look into my wife's mouth again and noticed that during the night there were now two more brand new teeth.

Receiving a miracle does not make a person an expert on why G-d does what he does. But we have prayed about it and G-d has spoken a few things to us.

First , we are to testify about what G-d has done boldly and without adding to it our own ideas. We are to do so without prejudging people's responses or post judging their responses. That is G-d's business. Not a burden for us to carry. We are not to try and predict other people's responses.

My wife has boldly testifyed at work these past few days and is seeing amazing responses. Her workplace is a mix of some christians and some unsaved. Last year , she prayed for a co-worker's mother who had cancer and she was healed. It was very serious and the co-worker asked my wife to pray because it was life threatening. The next day her mother went in for an exam before surgery and the cancer had disappeared. The mother is Catholic and gave glory to G-d for that miracle. Also when my wife started working there business was average and my wife told the manager staright out when he asked her in the interview for the job that the reason she was there is G-d told her to work there. He is not a believer and was skeptical . But since she started there business has tripled. Into this context my wife showed up with her new teeth on monday.

My wife also had an unusual experience today. A customer randomly looked at my wife and started yelling. She screamed "STOP LOOKING INTO MY SOUL" and then ran out of the restaurant screaming. It made a real impact on the other workers to see the demonic woman run out like that.

The second thing G-d spoke to us was that we have freely received and so we should freely give. We got a glimpse of that already. After her testimony at the conference , my wife had four women follow her into the washroom waiting outside the stall for her to prayer for them. We felt G-d was saying to not turn people away when they ask for prayer.

We have prayed for a lot of people the past four days.

Anyway, we are having fun just seeing what new adventure G-d has for us each day.

AWESOME testimony! Praise You Lord!

Thanks for sharing that testimony. Amazing! Sorry that so many are doubting and questioning.

Sad isn't it?
Who knows enough about the nature and character of God to say to Him, "Why did You do it that way?" If God has decided to do the dental work in the manner He did, that is His business, and He did it that way through the mystery of His will.

What you are doing is criticising the Holy Spirit, because these people did not heal themselves, and they didn't go to the dentist. They got miracle dental work as they waited on God and worshipped Him. Therefore it was God who did it. Your comment then is against no one else but God.

Maybe you have some serious praying to do, don't you think?
amen to all you posted Oscarr. Good stuff...I have decided I am not responding to the silliness and nasty's of the doubters, accusers etc. God did an amazing thing here. If nothing else, the salvations are amazing. God getting the glory is even more amazing.
 
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