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A Catholic Friend · May 12, 2010

I remembered another thing. When Ben took Locke to see Jacob in the cabin Ben told lock not to take a flashlight because Jacob hates technology.

We have seen both Jacob and MIB around technology. Jacob was around technology when he was visiting the Losties in the USA. Mib was around technology too - the walkie talkie, the airplane, the watch etc. and he did not go nuts.

So whoever was in the cabin that first time, Jacob or MIB, did he really hate technology? Why did either one go wild in the cabin?

A Catholic Friend · May 14, 2010

I know that they can't answer every question, but should there be a finality to Lost or should they leave it open ended with even more questions to figure out?

I want it to be like, wow that was a great ending! It should be talked about for years and and it is so good that people want to buy the books, games, dvd's etc.

I hope that it won't have a Sopranos type ending where we say what just happened?

We have been misled before. :o

alex4815162342 · May 14, 2010

A Catholic Friend said:
I know that they can't answer every question, but should there be a finality to Lost or should they leave it open ended with even more questions to figure out?

I want it to be like, wow that was a great ending! It should be talked about for years and and it is so good that people want to buy the books, games, dvd's etc.

I hope that it won't have a Sopranos type ending where we say what just happened?

We have been misled before. :o

Personally, I hope Damon and Carlton leave it open ended. I'd love it if the finale went into the history and mythology of the Island even more, and that we get at least some more mixed-in on-Island flashbacks like in Across the Sea. I think the show can live on better if it ends with the Island as the main focal point.

What I wouldn't like to see is a finality where the Island doesn't exist, which would theoretically happen if the 2 realities really do merge withing the final hours of Lost. IMO, it would be a disappointment if the LA X reality turns out to be the end all along, therefore the Island would stay submerged in the ocean.

I'm definitely psyched for the finale either way! I'll be theorizing for years to come no matter what, and I know there will always be fan communities, no matter how the show ends! There is some great Lost fanfiction out there also, which may offer some better endings if D&C disappoint

alex4815162342 · May 14, 2010

A Catholic Friend said:
I remembered another thing. When Ben took Locke to see Jacob in the cabin Ben told lock not to take a flashlight because Jacob hates technology.

We have seen both Jacob and MIB around technology. Jacob was around technology when he was visiting the Losties in the USA. Mib was around technology too - the walkie talkie, the airplane, the watch etc. and he did not go nuts.

So whoever was in the cabin that first time, Jacob or MIB, did he really hate technology? Why did either one go wild in the cabin?

Assuming that MiB was the one in the cabin...

MiB most likely does hate technology to a certain extent, as evidenced by the fact that the sonar fence keeps him at bay. Maybe it's just the sonar waves he's afraid of, which I guess would disperse him into little particles or something, but the pylons are an advancement of technology.

Also, Ben clearly didn't know what was going on in the cabin, as he was just pretending to talk to Jacob. Maybe Ben didn't want Locke to have a flashlight so Locke couldn't shine the light around and see that there was actually no one in the cabin? He was keeping Locke in the dark in more ways than one, since Ben was really just conning Locke all along.

When the light was shined on MiB, I'm thinking he went ballistic just to instill fear in Ben and Locke, as they were the 2 biggest players in MiB's game of finding his loophole.

My biggest questions relative to this subject are: How much did Ben really know about the cabin? Did he know that it wasn't Jacob in the cabin? Did Ben at least know that what was in the cabin wasn't 'good'? Ben definitely got instruction/lists from someone... Ben seemed to know about the circle of ash around the cabin, but did he think that it was keeping whatever was in the cabin from getting to everyone outside the ash, or did he think that the ash was protecting whatever was in the cabin from the outside? How much of the legend of MiB/Jacob is passed down to the Others, most likely through Richard since we know he was Jacob's sidekick?

So many questions, but I prefer it that way

Thinker · May 15, 2010

My biggest questions relative to this subject are: How much did Ben really know about the cabin?

Ben probably knew that the cabin was built by the head Dharma dude. (not the answer your looking for, but...)

Did he know that it wasn't Jacob in the cabin? Did Ben at least know that what was in the cabin wasn't 'good'?

Ben probably thought the cabin was empty and abandoned.

Ben definitely got instruction/lists from someone...

Almost certainly the lists came through Richard, who was the one who *really* had access to Jacob. I suspect that Widmore and his predecessors had direct access to Jacob as well - if the situation really warrented it. For some reason, Ben was not granted the same access - maybe because he was 'unworthy'?

Ben seemed to know about the circle of ash around the cabin, but did he think that it was keeping whatever was in the cabin from getting to everyone outside the ash, or did he think that the ash was protecting whatever was in the cabin from the outside?

Given that Jacobs bodyguards went to the cabin first, that is probably where they expected to find Jacob. The implication is, that even though Jacob was not living there, he probably did make the original circle of ash. Ben probably knew what the ash was intended to do, but might not have known who made it.

How much of the legend of MiB/Jacob is passed down to the Others, most likely through Richard since we know he was Jacob's sidekick?

Quite a bit. During their initial confrontation on the beach, Widmore seemed relatively knowledgeable about MIB, though he admitted that his sources were mostly myth and legend. I imagine the core of the story is literally written (or carved) on the walls at the temple - and almost all the Others spent time there. However, that particular story is probably both edited and on a wall that most of the Others do not normally see during their temple visits.

A Catholic Friend · May 25, 2010

How did you like the ending? What about all the loose ends that don't seem to matter now that they are all going into the light?

What?

I looked on the internet movie database and they were about 70 stories about purgatory. Some are old and some are new. This plot has been done many times.

Why did the Lost writers think this would be new and different just because of the numbers and a smoke monster?
:doh:

snoochface · May 25, 2010

1) Why do you think they thought it *would* be different?

2) There have been a lot of island shows too (Gilligan's, Fantasy, Hawaii 5-0). Just because a concept been done before doesn't mean it can't be entertaining.

desmalia · May 25, 2010

I guess I just expected something more detailed. After all the work they put into weaving so many delicate threads, to throw most of them away like that was a real shame. I mean Walt could have been a huge key to making some kind of really exciting flashy end. The church/light/purgatory thing was just kinda cliché to me. I was looking forward to seeing how they would meld the flash-sideways with the island, using the past events to weave it all together.

snoochface · May 25, 2010

I don't know if it's a consolation, but the DVDs will have an additional 20 minutes of footage that they couldn't fit into the finale, and Walt is going to be in that footage.

desmalia · May 25, 2010

snoochface said:
I don't know if it's a consolation, but the DVDs will have an additional 20 minutes of footage that they couldn't fit into the finale, and Walt is going to be in that footage.

Well that's something, I guess.

A Catholic Friend · May 26, 2010

I read some good fan theories that suggested after the people in the alt-verse remembered that they were on the island and that Jack's surgery on Locke's back was successful that the timelines would converge and that Locke would help Jack and the rest destroy the smoke monster.

Another thing that was set up as part of the storyline that a war on the island was coming. I was expecting something bigger and more exciting than we have seen before.

All we got was that the smoke monster became mortal and that Kate took care of him. Kind of a letdown. Season 5 was a big build up to season 6, but I thought the last season was slow and not as exciting.

If 1 to 5 were super seasons then season 6 was the anti-season. It's like they wanted to water it down and make everyone happy and tone down the action and suspense except in some parts. The end was kind of sad, but then everyone in the church smiled, hugged, held hands and sang kumbaya?

The ending felt out of place with an action/sci fi/mystery/adventure. Just my opinion.

mina · May 26, 2010

A Catholic Friend said:
I read some good fan theories that suggested after the people in the alt-verse remembered that they were on the island and that Jack's surgery on Locke's back was successful that the timelines would converge and that Locke would help Jack and the rest destroy the smoke monster.

This is what I thought would happen. ^ I thought the side flashes would have some bearing on the present day island and that Jack helping Locke to walk again would be a major plot point that would unleash something that would turn the tide against smokey.

Wicked Willow · May 26, 2010

The alt-verse was *completely* irrelevant to the main plot, even going so far as to add fictional characters to the mix that didn't really serve any function (Jack's son).

Honestly, I do think that I could have written a better ending than that, provided that there actually *were* any answers to be given. (I have the slight impression that Carlton and Lindelof were just as lost with regards to many mysteries as we were, and never had any real solutions to offer.)

My take on a more dramatic, more suspenseful finale would have looked somewhat like this:
during the last few episodes of the show, everything in the prime universe suggests that the MiB is winning: he outwits or even kills main characters, to the great shock of the viewer, and even ventures to escape from the island, offering us an illustration of why it was so important to keep him on the island at any cost.
However, Desmond is the key to salvation, and all of that was part of Jacob's plan. During his trips to the alternate universe (which, in my book, would have fared much better as a real universe created by the hydrogen bomb explosion), he received a revelation that would mend BOTH universes, provided that all the key figures are brought to remember the original continuity. Once that is achieved, they fuse both universes back into one, which pretty much resuscitates the fallen heroes and banishes the Evil One, who is thwarted in the moment of his triumph. After all, Jacob's sacrifice was deliberate and premeditated (at least in *my* alternative version of the ending), all part of an elaborate strategy spanning the ages: he sacrificed a Queen to lure the MiB out into the open, and then leaves it to "them" ("they are coming") to finally finish him off.

The island *would* have mattered, and the original continuity would have been kept intact, while simultaneously allowing for dramatic plot twists that are quite unusual (such as including the death of ALL the main heroes before the finale, just to have them return by means of a fusion of universes and win after all).

desmalia · May 26, 2010

Wicked Willow said:
The alt-verse was *completely* irrelevant to the main plot, even going so far as to add fictional characters to the mix that didn't really serve any function (Jack's son).

Honestly, I do think that I could have written a better ending than that, provided that there actually *were* any answers to be given. (I have the slight impression that Carlton and Lindelof were just as lost with regards to many mysteries as we were, and never had any real solutions to offer.)

My take on a more dramatic, more suspenseful finale would have looked somewhat like this:
during the last few episodes of the show, everything in the prime universe suggests that the MiB is winning: he outwits or even kills main characters, to the great shock of the viewer, and even ventures to escape from the island, offering us an illustration of why it was so important to keep him on the island at any cost.
However, Desmond is the key to salvation, and all of that was part of Jacob's plan. During his trips to the alternate universe (which, in my book, would have fared much better as a real universe created by the hydrogen bomb explosion), he received a revelation that would mend BOTH universes, provided that all the key figures are brought to remember the original continuity. Once that is achieved, they fuse both universes back into one, which pretty much resuscitates the fallen heroes and banishes the Evil One, who is thwarted in the moment of his triumph. After all, Jacob's sacrifice was deliberate and premeditated (at least in *my* alternative version of the ending), all part of an elaborate strategy spanning the ages: he sacrificed a Queen to lure the MiB out into the open, and then leaves it to "them" ("they are coming") to finally finish him off.

The island *would* have mattered, and the original continuity would have been kept intact, while simultaneously allowing for dramatic plot twists that are quite unusual (such as including the death of ALL the main heroes before the finale, just to have them return by means of a fusion of universes and win after all).

That's definitely MUCH more like what I was hoping for.

A Catholic Friend · May 27, 2010

Yes I was hoping for an exciting ending just like that. What happened?

A Catholic Friend · May 27, 2010

The writers said, it's not about the mysteries it's about the characters. So then why put the mysteries in there at all.

The story could have been about a regular island just focusing us on the characters. Did they want to draw us into the story with mysteries they were not going to answer?

It's like reading a detective novel with mysteries and you try to figure out who done and you are expecting to find out on the last page.

Then we are told that they mysteries don't matter and that the author is not going to tell you who did it. This story is really abut the main hero and the rest of the characters and by they way they all perished, went to a church and opened a door and saw a bright light.

A Catholic Friend · May 27, 2010

The writers said, it's not about the mysteries it's about the characters. So then why put the mysteries in there at all. Why bother?

The story could have been about a regular island just focusing us on the characters. Did they want to draw us into the story with mysteries that they were not going to answer?

It's like reading a detective novel with mysteries and you try to figure out "who done it "and you are expecting to find out on the last page. Mystery books are a fan favorite and they like figuring out and solving the mysteries.

Then we are told that they mysteries don't matter and that the author is not going to tell you who did it. This story is really abut the main hero and the rest of the characters and by they way they all perished, went to a church and opened a door and saw a bright light.

We went to all the trouble of reading the first 19 chapters and enjoying them very much only to be told that nothing we just read really matters. Then on chapter 20 we are told that story is really about "THIS" -

"The story was about the characters all along we did not care about the mysteries. We through them in there to get you to buy the book and to read the last chapter at the end about the characters being in a kind of limbo."

Surprise!

Desmond: "None of it matters Jack!"

:doh:

DOH!

Wicked Willow · May 27, 2010

A Catholic Friend said:
The writers said, it's not about the mysteries it's about the characters. So then why put the mysteries in there at all.

The story could have been about a regular island just focusing us on the characters. Did they want to draw us into the story with mysteries they were not going to answer?

It's like reading a detective novel with mysteries and you try to figure out who done and you are expecting to find out on the last page.

Then we are told that they mysteries don't matter and that the author is not going to tell you who did it. This story is really abut the main hero and the rest of the characters and by they way they all perished, went to a church and opened a door and saw a bright light.

Exactly. The emperor has no clothes.
And it's not as if it was a question of EITHER mysteries OR characters to begin with: the show managed to handle both just fine - apart from the fact that the writers apparently didn't know the answers to the mysteries, either, and thus couldn't really resolve them to anybody's satisfaction.

A Catholic Friend · May 27, 2010

The writers said, it's not about the mysteries it's about the characters. So then why put the mysteries in there at all. Why bother?

The story could have been about a regular island just focusing us on the characters. Did they want to draw us into the story with mysteries that they were not going to answer?

It's like reading a detective novel with mysteries and you try to figure out "who done it "and you are expecting to find out on the last page. Mystery books are a fan favorite and they like figuring out and solving the mysteries.

Then we are told that they mysteries don't matter and that the author is not going to tell you who did it. This story is really about the main hero and the rest of the characters and by they way they all perished, went to a church and opened a door and saw a bright light.

We went to all the trouble of reading the first 19 chapters and enjoying them very much only to be told that nothing we just read really matters. Then on chapter 20 we are told that story is really about "THIS" -

"The story was about the characters all along we did not care about the mysteries. We threw them in there to get you to buy the book and to read the last chapter at the end about the characters being in a kind of limbo."

Surprise!

Desmond: "None of it matters Jack!"

:doh:

DOH!

A Catholic Friend · May 27, 2010

The writers said, it's not about the mysteries it's about the characters. So then why put the mysteries in there at all. Why bother?

The story could have been about a regular island just focusing us on the characters. Did they want to draw us into the story with mysteries that they were not going to answer?

It's like reading a detective novel with mysteries and you try to figure out "who done it "and you are expecting to find out on the last page. Mystery books are a fan favorite and they like figuring out and solving the mysteries.

Then we are told that they mysteries don't matter and that the author is not going to tell you who did it. This story is really about the main hero and the rest of the characters and by the way they all perished, went to a church and opened a door and saw a bright light.

We went to all the trouble of reading the first 19 chapters and enjoying them very much only to be told that nothing we just read really matters. Then on chapter 20 we are told that story is really about "THIS" -

"The story was about the characters all along we did not care about the mysteries. We threw them in there to get you to buy the book and to read the last chapter at the end about the characters being in a kind of limbo."

Surprise!

Desmond: "None of it matters Jack!"

:doh:

DOH!

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