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Believe all would have read & chance upon 'Seemingly Conflicting' Scriptures? Let us start with:-

Gal 2:16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed [is] everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."

Above Scriptures telling the Believers that works are deadly for if one goes via works then they are under Law & if one doesn't fulfill the whole Law (Moses) then they are under a curse:) Interesting?

Then kindly compare & contrast with:-

James 2:20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?

Wow but James via the Holy Spirit says it otherwise :confused: Isn't this Verse being preached by so many, especially those advocating a 'Change' fm the Believer fm their NOT So Christian ways/ habits?

However, if one doesn't investigate & read the full context of the Scriptures then wouldn't it be dangerously wrapped? Let see what comes after James 2:20

James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?

James 2:22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?

This is a real bummer for mamber here in CF have used the above hence it's wrapped if one doesn't investigate. When was Abraham Pronounced Righteous by the LORD?

Gen 15:6 And he believed in the LORD, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.

Wow, Abraham above was only approx 70 years old & Ishmael wasn't even concieve much less Isaac :D Isaac was conceived when Abraham was approx 100 years old & offered Isaac only when he was able to walk so that is approx 7-10 years old because Isaac walked up the Mountain :D Which made Abraham approx 110 years OLD :)

However Paul also wrote this via the Holy Spirit:-

Romans 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.

Therefore to those whom advocate that 'faith without works' is dead doesn't know how to rightly devide the word of GOD. It goes to show via Scriptures that if one has faith, it may take 10, 20, 30 or 40 years but it will come that the believer will do something mightly for GOD :) Always remember that GOD is the 1 working in the believer & not the Believer 'Helping' GOD :amen:

If one were to go deeper, after The LORD pronounce Abraham Righteous, Abraham sinned against GOD so many times for his own selfish reasons & you'll never find GOD rebuking Abraham but on the contrary, defended Abarham & Prospered Abraham exceedingly Abundently Above & Beyond whatever he asked of or think of & those that Abraham didn't ask, the LORD also Prospered him :amen:

Therefore all beloved in Christ Jesus, do not fret or be dismayed over your wrong decision/actions. If you know how much you're loved by Daddy & Christ then all you need is to ask or think which HE'll come thru for you even if you've messed it up real good.

Do not worry that you are not 'all together' (in the eyes of main stream Christianity), for in GOD's eyes, you are prefect in Christ & eternally Righteous/ Blameless/ Justified & Holy to HIM apart fm your works :amen:
 

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Romans 2:13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.

This appears to be the same author of Galatians, could it be that he is contridicting himself?

We must each do what GOD leads us to and stop destroying HIS work amongst both the Jew and the Gentile. They will both be brought to GOD and answerable to HIM and HIM ALONE. For both JEW and GENTILE are called to be the disciples of CHRIST JESUS.
 
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Romans 2:13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.

This appears to be the same author of Galatians, could it be that he is contridicting himself?

We must each do what GOD leads us to and stop destroying HIS work amongst both the Jew and the Gentile. They will both be brought to GOD and answerable to HIM and HIM ALONE. For both JEW and GENTILE are called to be the disciples of CHRIST JESUS.

There is no contradiction in the author but in the version of Bible used. As is always the case with any bible other than the King James AV.

Gal 2:16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

King James AV reads Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

NIV reads Romans 2:13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous

King James AV is speaking of doers of the law. And Justification
NIV is speaking of obeying the law. And Righteousness.

James 2:20
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith WITHOUT WORKS is dead?

It boils down to a man with Faith will Work and already has justification.

Note: The NIV does not even know who slew Goliath. The NIV clearly says in 2 Samuel 21:19 that David did not kill Goliath. Now even the unbelieving world knows that David slew Goliath. Little children know that David slew Goliath. The NIV translators don't know that David slew Goliath.

NIV says: In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver's rod. 2 Samuel 21:19 NIV

King James says: And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

My Brothers, Open your eyes and see the truth. Gods Word is truth and has NO condradictions!
 
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Romans 2:13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.

This appears to be the same author of Galatians, could it be that he is contridicting himself?

We must each do what GOD leads us to and stop destroying HIS work amongst both the Jew and the Gentile. They will both be brought to GOD and answerable to HIM and HIM ALONE. For both JEW and GENTILE are called to be the disciples of CHRIST JESUS.

Nat any chance you've missed:-

Romans 3:19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that [the murmurs and excuses of] every mouth may be hushed and all the world may be held accountable to God.

Romans 3:20 For no person will be justified (made righteous, acquitted, and judged acceptable) in His sight by observing the works prescribed by the Law. For [the real function of] the Law is to make men recognize and be conscious of sin [not mere perception, but an acquaintance with sin which works toward repentance, faith, and holy character].

:amen:
 
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Greetings all ,

The law acts as a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ . It teaches us right from wrong , and promises us life if we continually only do right all the time . The way this brings us to Christ , is that if we've got any kind of honest recognition of our own capacity , we realize that under this covenant , we don't stand a chance !

So all works which are attempted to be done under the auspices of the law ( old covenant ) are contrary to the putting our trust in The Lord , His Atoning Blood , and Resurrecting Spirit . For in pursuing life through them we are yet asserting that we have what it takes , in and of our self .

However , once we come to the humbling understanding that our only true hope is to receive God's mercy and grace through believing on Jesus , this does not mean that we are no longer have need for shunning evil and doing good , the big difference now though , is we're no longer by ourself , trying to show ourself approved ; but do have by faith - Christ within , and it is He which does work through us , if indeed there actually are truly good works present in our life .

Furthermore , the certainty that Christ will work through all that He dwells within as Lord and Saviour is such , that one such as James could write by The Holy Spirit , that if we claim we are believing on The Lord , but have no manifestation of Him working through us , then we have yet to fully embrace the living faith of Christ .

So the works we might do to prove ourself righteous are dead , because we're not pure in our natural state , and even our best behavior is tainted by sin , or inconsistency .

But if our belief in Jesus doesn't allow for the manifestation of His working through us , then our faith is as good as dead , being in actuality presumption instead .

Consider -

They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. <-----> John 8:39

Here certain Jews presumed to be on God's favored side with Abraham , because of ties they believed secured them as such - but Jesus calls them on this , and speaks of the reality of what it means to be a true child of Abraham , and by extension , a true child of God .

Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. <-----> Galatians 3:7

Put the Scriptures together and see how having faith is not a substitute for works , ( unless one is referring to self-assertive works of the law - then it is indeed ! ) But the works which Christ inspires and enables from within , these are most assuredly the fruit of true belief .

The same word can have several applications , sometimes even ones which turn the meaning of that word upside down .

May The Lord Be Pleased to Assist us in the rightly dividing of His Word .

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Greetings all ,

The law acts as a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ . It teaches us right from wrong , and promises us life if we continually only do right all the time . The way this brings us to Christ , is that if we've got any kind of honest recognition of our own capacity , we realize that under this covenant , we don't stand a chance !

So all works which are attempted to be done under the auspices of the law ( old covenant ) are contrary to the putting our trust in The Lord , His Atoning Blood , and Resurrecting Spirit . For in pursuing life through them we are yet asserting that we have what it takes , in and of our self .

However , once we come to the humbling understanding that our only true hope is to receive God's mercy and grace through believing on Jesus , this does not mean that we are no longer have need for shunning evil and doing good , the big difference now though , is we're no longer by ourself , trying to show ourself approved ; but do have by faith - Christ within , and it is He which does work through us , if indeed there actually are truly good works present in our life .

Furthermore , the certainty that Christ will work through all that He dwells within as Lord and Saviour is such , that one such as James could write by The Holy Spirit , that if we claim we are believing on The Lord , but have no manifestation of Him working through us , then we have yet to fully embrace the living faith of Christ .

So the works we might do to prove ourself righteous are dead , because we're not pure in our natural state , and even our best behavior is tainted by sin , or inconsistency .

But if our belief in Jesus doesn't allow for the manifestation of His working through us , then our faith is as good as dead , being in actuality presumption instead .

Consider -

They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. <-----> John 8:39

Here certain Jews presumed to be on God's favored side with Abraham , because of ties they believed secured them as such - but Jesus calls them on this , and speaks of the reality of what it means to be a true child of Abraham , and by extension , a true child of God .

Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. <-----> Galatians 3:7

Put the Scriptures together and see how having faith is not a substitute for works , ( unless one is referring to self-assertive works of the law - then it is indeed ! ) But the works which Christ inspires and enables from within , these are most assuredly the fruit of true belief .

The same word can have several applications , sometimes even ones which turn the meaning of that word upside down .

May The Lord Be Pleased to Assist us in the rightly dividing of His Word .

wm

Nice Post!
 
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I wasn't implying that scripture is contridictory, the OP was.

If you read what was written before and after my reference of Romans you will see that these laws are written on the hearts of the gentiles, those who obey that is. To pull one verse from scripture to compare it to another in another book without understanding or comprehending what is written is not biblical, it is trying to make a case out of half baked truths.

Those who do not obey the laws written on their hearts, GOD is dealing with in this life and will in the one to come. They show their unwillingness to retain GOD in their knowledge by their display of the following:

Romans 1:29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.

However, those with the laws written on their hearts are those who:

Romans 2:12-15 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)

The laws written on our hearts are the same laws that so many Christians are not only ignoring but degrading as if they came from satan and not our Heavenly Father to begin with.

No amount of works in this world without faith in CHRIST JESUS will be justified, but where there is faith there are and will be works. True believers will follow the laws written on their hearts and not dismiss them as a work of Satan.
 
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If you read what was written before and after my reference of Romans you will see that these laws are written on the hearts of the gentiles, those who obey that is. To pull one verse from scripture to compare it to another in another book without understanding or comprehending what is written is not biblical, it is trying to make a case out of half baked truths.

:clap: Nat, am impressed that you are starting to read "More' things in context. However you've rightly said it that IT is GOD whom writes in the Believer Heart His Law?

Believe you are referring to :-

Jeremiah 31:33 But this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Jeremiah 31:34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

For which Apostle Paul quoted in Hebrews

Hebrews 8:10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Now If you read the Scriptures then you'll know GOD wants ALL the Glory hence:-

Phl 2:13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for [His] good pleasure.

Therefore It is GOD who writes in your Mind & heart plus HE is the one who works in you hence it leaves NOTHING for you :p

Therefore kindly refrain talking like a servant when you are justified as His Beloved Daughter. If a Daughter decides to serve- there's GLORY, when a servant serves, NO Glory ;)

Least you think it still have YOU factored into the equation:-

John 15:5"I am the vine, you [are] the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.

Believe most might be laughing their socks off when reading the above, no Jesus talking about the Fruits of the Spirits which is GOOD Works (Directed out of HIM 1st giving you the desire/wants & then the willingness to do it)

It's all Christ & nothing of the believer except in believing in HIM;)
 
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I will never refrain from speaking as a servant, for this is what I am.

Matthew 10:24-25 "A student is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master. It is enough for the student to be like his teacher, and the servant like his master. If the head of the house has been called Beelzebub, how much more the members of his household!"

HE is higher than all and will always be such. I will always be the student and never the teacher.

Matthew 23:5-7 "Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.' "But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

Never will I puff myself up above HIM or claim to be equal to HIM.
 
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I will never refrain from speaking as a servant, for this is what I am.

Never will I puff myself up above HIM or claim to be equal to HIM.

Ever read why Moses wasn't allowed by GOD to see the Promised Land? Please read then believe you'll have better understanding :) Did Moses behave anything more than a servant? did Moses complain against GOD? Actually Moses did 'Nothing wrong to the Worldly EYES", you CLAIMED that Christ Himself via His Holy Spirit teaches you the Scriptures?

Am waiting Nat ;) (Sorry Typo error, believe ALL are waiting Nat)
 
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Ever read why Moses wasn't allowed by GOD to see the Promised Land? Please read then believe you'll have better understanding :) Did Moses behave anything more than a servant? did Moses complain against GOD? Actually Moses did 'Nothing wrong to the Worldly EYES", you CLAIMED that Christ Himself via His Holy Spirit teaches you the Scriptures?

Am waiting Nat ;) (Sorry Typo error, believe ALL are waiting Nat)

Moses missed out on the promised land for claiming GOD's glory in providing water from a rock. I will not claim GOD's glory, that is HIS and all glory belongs to HIM and HIM alone. Never as HIS CREATION will I puff up myself up above or equal to HIM. Do you not understand my words? Is this why you keep baiting me in discussion?
 
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Moses missed out on the promised land for claiming GOD's glory in providing water from a rock. I will not claim GOD's glory, that is HIS and all glory belongs to HIM and HIM alone. Never as HIS CREATION will I puff up myself up above or equal to HIM.

Nat, it's taken fm :-

Numbers 20:6 So Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly to the door of the tabernacle of meeting, and they fell on their faces. And the glory of the LORD appeared to them.

Numbers 20:7 Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,

Numbers 20:8 "Take the rod; you and your brother Aaron gather the congregation together. Speak to the rock before their eyes, and it will yield its water; thus you shall bring water for them out of the rock, and give drink to the congregation and their animals."

Numbers 20:9 So Moses took the rod from before the LORD as He commanded him.

Numbers 20:10 And Moses and Aaron gathered the assembly together before the rock; and he said to them, "Hear now, you rebels! Must we bring water for you out of this rock?"

Numbers 20:11 Then Moses lifted his hand and struck the rock twice with his rod; and water came out abundantly, and the congregation and their animals drank.

Numbers 20:12 Then the LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron, "Because you did not believe Me, to hallow Me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore you shall not bring this assembly into the land which I have given them."

Kindly please show all readers where if i have missed Nat in that Moses tried to claim GOD's Glory :) That is what you are saying as per above quoted right?
 
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Nat, it's taken fm :-

Numbers 20:6 So Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly to the door of the tabernacle of meeting, and they fell on their faces. And the glory of the LORD appeared to them.

Numbers 20:7 Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,

Numbers 20:8 "Take the rod; you and your brother Aaron gather the congregation together. Speak to the rock before their eyes, and it will yield its water; thus you shall bring water for them out of the rock, and give drink to the congregation and their animals."

Numbers 20:9 So Moses took the rod from before the LORD as He commanded him.

Numbers 20:10 And Moses and Aaron gathered the assembly together before the rock; and he said to them, "Hear now, you rebels! Must we bring water for you out of this rock?"

Numbers 20:11 Then Moses lifted his hand and struck the rock twice with his rod; and water came out abundantly, and the congregation and their animals drank.

Numbers 20:12 Then the LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron, "Because you did not believe Me, to hallow Me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore you shall not bring this assembly into the land which I have given them."

Kindly please show all readers where if i have missed Nat in that Moses tried to claim GOD's Glory :) That is what you are saying as per above quoted right?

WATER FROM THE ROCK

Numbers 20 6-13 Moses and Aaron went from the assembly to the entrance to the Tent of Meeting and fell facedown, and the glory of the LORD appeared to them. The LORD said to Moses, "Take the staff, and you and your brother Aaron gather the assembly together. Speak to that rock before their eyes and it will pour out its water. You will bring water out of the rock for the community so they and their livestock can drink." So Moses took the staff from the LORD's presence, just as he commanded him. He and Aaron gathered the assembly together in front of the rock and Moses said to them, "Listen, you rebels, must we bring you water out of this rock?" Then Moses raised his arm and struck the rock twice with his staff. Water gushed out, and the community and their livestock drank. But the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, "Because you did not trust in me enough to honor me as holy in the sight of the Israelites, you will not bring this community into the land I give them." These were the waters of Meribah, where the Israelites quarreled with the LORD and where he showed himself holy among them.

Death of Aaron

Numbers 20:24 "Aaron will be gathered to his people. He will not enter the land I give the Israelites, because both of you rebelled against my command at the waters of Meribah."

Death of Moses

Deuteronomy 50-52 "There on the mountain that you have climbed you will die and be gathered to your people, just as your brother Aaron died on Mount Hor and was gathered to his people. This is because both of you broke faith with me in the presence of the Israelites at the waters of Meribah Kadesh in the Desert of Zin and because you did not uphold my holiness among the Israelites. Therefore, you will see the land only from a distance; you will not enter the land I am giving to the people of Israel."

It was only by the power of GOD that water came from the rock. But Aaron and Moses did not give that glory to GOD, but took it for their own.

In Service to HIM,

Nat
 
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WATER FROM THE ROCK

But the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, "Because you did not trust in me enough to honor me as holy in the sight of the Israelites, you will not bring this community into the land I give them." These were the waters of Meribah, where the Israelites quarreled with the LORD and where he showed himself holy among them.

It was only by the power of GOD that water came from the rock. But Aaron and Moses did not give that glory to GOD, but took it for their own.

Nat

Nat, maybe you wanna consider different approach to looking at Scriptures? Have attached especially for you nat different widely used Versions fro your Kind perusal.

You'll see crystal that the LORD wasn't pleased with Moses Because Moses didn't give GOD the Glory as per your assumption ;)

Numbers 20:12 And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them. KJV


Numbers 20:12Then the LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron, "Because you did not believe Me, to hallow Me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore you shall not bring this assembly into the land which I have given them." NKJV


Numbers 20:12 And the Lord said to Moses and Aaron, Because you did not believe in (rely on, cling to) Me to sanctify Me in the eyes of the Israelites, you therefore shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them AMP Version


Numbers 20:12 But the Lord said to Moses and Aaron, "Because you did not trust in me enough to honor me as holy in the sight of the Israelites, you will not bring this community into the land I give them." NIV Version

Numbers 20:12 But the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, "Because you did not trust me enough to demonstrate my holiness to the people of Israel, you will not lead them into the land I am giving them!" NLT Version

James Strong of Strongs Concordance interprets the Hebrew 'Sanctify' to read qadash which basically means:-to show oneself sacred or majestic


GOD wasn't angry with the Israelites for murmuring out of thirst & believe if you've then you'll know that it is a sin for murmuring against GOD (Murmuring against one's leader is also against GOD as GOD is represented by their Leaders-you can read it yourself), however GOD was also not angry with Moses for coming to complain to HIM. Actually GOD was angry with Moses for:-

Numbers 20:10 And Moses and Aaron assembled the congregation before the rock and Moses said to them, Hear now, you rebels; must we bring you water out of this rock?

In calling the Israelites Rebels, Moses is not only showing his own displeasure to the Israelites but the Israelites will 'Think' that GOD is displeased with them :)

Secondly, when Moses said 'WE', he is effectively (In this case we know it's not true) telling them Israelites that GOD is indeed with Moses, angry at the Israelites.

Therefore GOD is angry with Moses that he 'painted' a false picture to the Israelites & making GOD look mean & angry :)

Essentially there's many Preachers/ Christians today making GOD out as a mean task Master without feelings/love for the sinners or normal average joe/jane, however it couldn't be further fm the Truth :)

Now, my humble suggestion to you Nat, be careful how you portray your Daddy & Christ ;)
 
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Gideon Army - I disagree. God told them to talk to the rock, not hit it with the staff. I know what the Spirit has revealed to me. They did not follow HIS commands in the least, and still claimed to have been the ones to bring that water out. They gave no glory to GOD.

Exodus 20:20 Moses said to the people, "Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning."

It is all a test brother, all of this life is.

1 Corinthians 10:6-11 Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did. Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: "The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in pagan revelry." We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did--and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died. We should not test the Lord, as some of them did--and were killed by snakes. And do not grumble, as some of them did--and were killed by the destroying angel. These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come.
 
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Gideon Army - I disagree. God told them to talk to the rock, not hit it with the staff. I know what the Spirit has revealed to me. They did not follow HIS commands in the least, and still claimed to have been the ones to bring that water out. They gave no glory to GOD.

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