That Boat Don't Float!!

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All so you guys can call it a "ship"?

Suit yourselves -- you're just preventing yourselves from understanding, not me.
If you were to stop linguistic games for just a second, it might enable you to understand.

I said it before, the problems mentioned don´t have anything to do with steering or propulsion, much less with naming conventions. An "Ark", build to the proportions given in Genesis would have exactly the same problems as a "ship" build that way... even more so because your "box" version would be lacking the general structural integrity that a "ship-shaped" vessel would have.
 
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There is no nautical convention, just a "rule of thumb", which is very generally based on size: "A ship can carry a boat, but a boat can´t carry a ship". Exceptions verify the rule. ;)

That might be your understanding. Mine is given above.

It is nothing to do with size, but rather purpose. The Golden Hind is a ship, and it is tiny. :wave:
 
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Adam walked with GOD. HE certainly knew GOD from the beginning. And the reality is that Adam died while Noah was alive. Noah built the ark and survived the FLOOD and so he told his grandchildren the wonderful way GOD protected his family...


Well, good to see a good "is so" vs "is NOT" discussion like we had in grade school.

Nowadays tho i like to talk to someone who can back up his "is so".

I say is NOT, because geology. biology, physics and reason all say there was not, could not have been such a flood. There are a thousand thousand If / then reasons to point out.

IF there had been a flood THEN it would have floated the ice caps off the polar regions. IF / THEN, we would not have the enormous diversity of species alive today. IF / THEN, Noah musta went to Australia to get some wombats. etc etc etc etc etc.

On the IS SO side we have... uh... its so coz its so.

Anything else to say?
 
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That might be your understanding. Mine is given above.

It is nothing to do with size, but rather purpose. The Golden Hind is a ship, and it is tiny. :wave:
It has something to do with size and purpose and tradition and comparative developement... that´s why I said "rule of thumb".

For examples, submarines are always considered "boats"... even if they are ocean-going vessels with a tonnage comparing to a nuclear carrier. The Gold Hind is a ship, even if tiny in size compared to our modern ships. Compared to 16th century boats, it was quite large.

And with "ocean-" or "sea-going"... this is definitly a ship... and it never left the seas and rivers of Berlin... Stern und Kreisschiffahrt Berlin - MS Moby Dick
 
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You need to know the math.
A>B
is not the same statement as
A=B. This one you can switch to
B=A.

The other, not.
It's not a math problem. The poster said 'I exist, so god must exist' The existence of the second subject (god) was made to rely on the existence of the first (I, the poster). So what he said was not A>B, it was A-->B.
 
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If you were to stop linguistic games for just a second, it might enable you to understand.
I'm the one playing linguistic games?

Who's the one calling it a ship, when the Bible calls it an Ark?
 
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I'm the one playing linguistic games?

Who's the one calling it a ship, when the Bible calls it an Ark?
You can call it a spoon, if it makes you happy. That doesn´t change the topic.

If you really, really think that this ship / ark dichotomy has any meaning, then please tell me: what structural differences would exist if this object was an "ark" instead of a "ship"?
 
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You can call it a spoon, if it makes you happy. That doesn´t change the topic.

If you really, really think that this ship / ark dichotomy has any meaning, then please tell me: what structural differences would exist if this object was an "ark" instead of a "ship"?


That kind of thing only matters to someone who HAS to be right, always.

I've learned to avoid that kind of discussion.
 
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If you had a truck but only called it a Dodge, would it stop being a truck?


Nope. Quit the semantics for once AVET. I know that's asking a lot, but I have FAITH IN YOU.

Your the only one -- semantics games are the only thing holding AV's "arguments" together -- at least those where he doesn't make the rules himself.
 
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Are you saying the Ark had a rudder? steering mechanism? sails? propeller?
Considering the thing never existed, you can imagine it had whatever you like. As, ondeed, you do, everytime you imagine your way out of the fact that the laws of physics, chemistry, biology, geology and meteorology that show how implausibloe the whole Ark story is. If you're going to imagine a God who cherry picks his way through the laws of physics, suspending some, altering others, and leaving others extant to A. necessitate, and B. enable, the whole Ark story in the first place, then by all means, imagine anything you like on the thing.

However I shgan't play into your semantic silliness, the presence or absence of sail, rudder, propellor etc does not render something a ship or otherwise, and it certainly doesn't alter the necessity of pumps, steel reinforces and so on necessary for a VESSEL, if you prefer, of that size.

Whether the ark had a propellor or not doesn't remotely effect the fact that a 500 foot long structure made solely of wood, is not going to be seaworthy.
 
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Whether the ark had a propellor or not doesn't remotely effect the fact that a 500 foot long structure made solely of wood, is not going to be seaworthy.

UNLESS God suspends the laws of physics to the point where the very existence of such an ark is superfluous and pointless -- which apparantly is exactly the sort of God AV worships, so who are we to drag him out of is cave?
 
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Considering the thing never existed, you can imagine it had whatever you like.
No, I can't 'imagine it had whatever I'd like'.

I'm a literalist -- remember?

And why am I being told I can imagine it has whatever I like?

I'm not the one giving it a propeller, keel and sails; then calling it a ship; then claiming 'that boat don't float'.
 
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No, I can't 'imagine it had whatever I'd like'.

I'm a literalist -- remember?

And why am I being told I can imagine it has whatever I like?

I'm not the one giving it a propeller, keel and sails; then calling it a ship; then claiming 'that boat don't float'.
Excepting "embedded age," of course.
 
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Well, good to see a good "is so" vs "is NOT" discussion like we had in grade school.

Nowadays tho i like to talk to someone who can back up his "is so".

I say is NOT, because geology. biology, physics and reason all say there was not, could not have been such a flood. There are a thousand thousand If / then reasons to point out.

IF there had been a flood THEN it would have floated the ice caps off the polar regions. IF / THEN, we would not have the enormous diversity of species alive today. IF / THEN, Noah musta went to Australia to get some wombats. etc etc etc etc etc.

On the IS SO side we have... uh... its so coz its so.

Anything else to say?

I believe that species have not diverged but have become specialized within their specific created species.
 
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I believe that species have not diverged but have become specialized within their specific created species.


i guess if you just want to 'believe' it isnt so, despite it's being proven beyond any reasonable doubt, and with no contrary evidence, then that is among your privileges.

it might be interesting if you thought as you do for some reason that wasnt just a fallible interpretation of the bible, but there is no such reason, so I wont expect it.
 
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