That Boat Don't Float!!

Originally Posted by Tomatoman
...Especially as he has given us precisely zero evidence of his existence. Peculiar sort of god. ...

For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen...

SkyWriting said:

Originally Posted by Tomatoman
...Especially as he has given us precisely zero evidence of his existence. Peculiar sort of god. ...

For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen...

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So would you say there is physical evidence in God's creation? Did God leave behind physical evidence to show he created everything?

Orogeny said:

By this logic, when you die, god will no longer exist. Again following your logic, god did not exist before you were conceived, which means that god, and the universe, are only as old as the length of time since your conception. You've essentially stated that god's existance is wholy reliant on you, from which follows the conclusion that you are in fact god. Care to retract?

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Unless God made more than one person in his image.
Scriptures say He made two.
And they are created beings, not part of the original.
Just made in His image.

SkyWriting said:

Unless God made more than one person in his image.
Scriptures say He made two.
And they are created beings, not part of the original.
Just made in His image.

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Is "in His image" meaningful in any way, or is it just random blather parroted from Genesis?

Nathan Poe said:

Decartes was humble enough to not make God dependant on himself.

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Then you do believe GOD exists?

SkyWriting said:

Unless God made more than one person in his image.
Scriptures say He made two.
And they are created beings, not part of the original.
Just made in His image.

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I will continue to exist because JESUS continues to exist.

BananaSlug said:

So would you say there is physical evidence in God's creation? Did God leave behind physical evidence to show he created everything?

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Well, since GOD is unique, everything HE made should be unique (no two exactly allike).

LittleNipper said:

Then you do believe GOD exists?

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This isn't about me, it's about you and God.

God exists becuase you exist, right? Therefore, you caused God.

How proud you must be of yourself.

LittleNipper said:

Well, since GOD is unique, everything HE made should be unique (no two exactly allike).

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So what? Isn't anything created by anybody unique?

SkyWriting said:

Unless God made more than one person in his image.
Scriptures say He made two.
And they are created beings, not part of the original.
Just made in His image.

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What the poster said was "I exist, therefor..." not "People exist, therefor...."

LittleNipper said:

Well, since GOD is unique, everything HE made should be unique (no two exactly allike).

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Big news for the physicists: every electron neutron proton is different from every other.

LittleNipper said:

I will continue to exist because JESUS continues to exist.

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Elaborate on this part of your logic:
Again following your logic, god did not exist before you were conceived, which means that god, and the universe, are only as old as the length of time since your conception.

BananaSlug said:

So would you say there is physical evidence in God's creation? Did God leave behind physical evidence to show he created everything?

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Yes. Just as any engineer creates solutions, any artist creates...well..."art", and any two people create babies, the source is evident in the qualities of the created.

We live in a 3 dimensional universe.
That seems to be infinite.
Is not moving to self destruct.
Has infinite complexity.
Is amazingly stable and capable.
I'm not saying we have ALL the attributes of God.
Just as the image in a mirror is very very close to the real thing...yet is not the real thing.
It's an image of the original.

If the source was fire, we would be fire.
If the source was water, we would be water.
If the source could think, we could think.
If the source was energy, we would be made of energy.
If the source knew right from wrong, we would know right from wrong.

Orogeny said:

Elaborate on this part of your logic:
Again following your logic, god did not exist before you were conceived, which means that god, and the universe, are only as old as the length of time since your conception.

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You need to know the math.
A>B
is not the same statement as
A=B. This one you can switch to
B=A.

The other, not.

LittleNipper said:

I will continue to exist because JESUS continues to exist.

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No doubt in my mind.

LittleNipper said:

I exist, and so GOD must exist, because Adam was created in GOD's likeness. GOD doesn't punish people because they area threat to HIM but because wicked people are a threat to HIS chosen. When one dies he either goes to be with GOD or he gets the wish and is placed to exist by himself.

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A very polite explanation of Hell. Accurate as far as we know.

Tomatoman said:

I've never understood this. Why should God care what we think of him? Why the hell would he care whether we thought he existed or not?

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We are His children. Created in His image.

Tomatoman said:

And why on earth would he punish people for not believing in him. It's ridiculous.

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Your right. The "Wailing and gnashing of teeth" is from nonbelievers who don't want to be with God in Heaven. They never did, so they never do.
It's pretty lonely outside heaven. That's why they are wailing. That's the torment they experience. It's not a punishment. It's a personal choice.

Tomatoman said:

If there is a god it is obvious that he never made any such commandment. He would be bigger than that.

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If they don't want to be with God, would it be "Bigger" to force them?

So, sorry... without reading the entire thread, has any of the Creationist apologists come up for an even half plausible sounding explanation for how one would build an entirely wooden ship of the Ark's dimensions without mechanical pumps, steel reinforcments, etc?

dingdong said:

No they haven't but they have said that none of that stuff would be needed because god was looking after it,
they just move from illusion to illusion, when they need for god to step in he does, what a god!! what stupidity!!

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Ah, right, the good ol "God magically suspended the laws of physics enough that a 500 foot wooden boat was possible, and enough that the rain could cover the Earth and then go away again, but not enough that the animals and some humans could survive without a boat" argument.

I suspected as much. Glad I didn't bother reading the whole thread then.

LightHorseman said:

So, sorry... without reading the entire thread, has any of the Creationist apologists come up for an even half plausible sounding explanation for how one would build an entirely wooden ship of the Ark's dimensions without mechanical pumps, steel reinforcments, etc?

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I wasn't aware the Ark was a ship.