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Malachi 4:1-2 "Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and that day that is coming will set them on fire," says the LORD Almighty. "Not a root or a branch will be left to them. But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings. And you will go out and leap like calves released from the stall."
 
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I think we are getting of topic.. So just to return to the topic. It was regarding being slain in the Spirit.. If anyone has an experience they want to share I would Love to Hear it.

And Kudos to Michael Collum who came forth with a good heart sharing information with good intentions. We can all learn from one another. Stay Blessed!

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That's Not True. Saints Are Ones Who Love The Lord But, Chosen Are the Ones Who Are Called To Do Great Things Nothing Man Can Accomplish Himself and they have the Holy Ghost.
In the bible there were saints and they were chosen like the apostles they were the chosen.

I can see and hear spiritually and can break that down for you if you like but, there are many that can not hear or see spiritually if that were the case our forums would look alot different and the topics would be regarding the Spiritual Realm and what can be done in the Spiritual Realm.

So I understand where you are coming from and your stand point but, that just is not true.

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I don't know where you are getting your theology from, but I have to say it looks decidedly dodgy to me. There are most certainly NOT two species of Christians.

However, I don't expect you to change your mind. I just want to make it clear to anyone else who might be confused on this matter. This kind of elitism is what the Lord came to overcome, not to perpetuate.
 
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I don't know where you are getting your theology from, but I have to say it looks decidedly dodgy to me. There are most certainly NOT two species of Christians.

However, I don't expect you to change your mind. I just want to make it clear to anyone else who might be confused on this matter. This kind of elitism is what the Lord came to overcome, not to perpetuate.

But that doesn't follow the pattern of the NT though,

Paul and those he called apostles went about doing great things .. and the 12 apostles did great things .. but the next generation .. just read


1 Corinthians 4 (New International Version)

8Already you have all you want! Already you have become rich! You have become kings—and that without us! How I wish that you really had become kings so that we might be kings with you! 9For it seems to me that God has put us apostles on display at the end of the procession, like men condemned to die in the arena. We have been made a spectacle to the whole universe, to angels as well as to men. 10We are fools for Christ, but you are so wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are honored, we are dishonored! 11To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty, we are in rags, we are brutally treated, we are homeless. 12We work hard with our own hands. When we are cursed, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it; 13when we are slandered, we answer kindly. Up to this moment we have become the scum of the earth, the refuse of the world.

14I am not writing this to shame you, but to warn you, as my dear children.

According to Paul there are two types of Christians .

The apostles were the ones who heard this

John 14
12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

and lived it .

but perhaps in interest of getting back on topic .. what did Paul and the Apostles have that the settlers didn't?
 
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Matthew Henry's whole bible commentary

1 Corinthians 4: 7-13

Here the apostle improves the foregoing hint to a caution against pride and self-conceit, and sets forth the temptations the Corinthians had to despise him, from the difference of their circumstances.

I. He cautions them against pride and self-conceit by this consideration, that all the distinction made among them was owing to God: Who maketh thee to differ? And what hast thou that thou didst not receive? v. 7. Here the apostle turns his discourse to the ministers who set themselves at the head of these factions, and did but too much encourage and abet the people in those feuds. What had they to glory in, when all their peculiar gifts were from God? They had received them, and could not glory in them as their own, without wronging God. At the time when they reflected on them to feed their vanity, they should have considered them as so many debts and obligations to divine bounty and grace. But it may be taken as a general maxim: We have no reason to be proud of our attainments, enjoyments, or performances; all that we have, or are, or do, that is good, is owing to the free and rich grace of God. Boasting is for ever excluded. There is nothing we have that we can properly call our own: all is received from God. It is foolish in us therefore, and injurious to him, to boast of it; those who receive all should be proud of nothing, Ps. 115:1. Beggars and dependents may glory in their supports; but to glory in themselves is to be proud at once of meanness, impotence, and want. Note, Due attention to our obligations to divine grace would cure us of arrogance and self-conceit.

II. He presses the duty of humility upon them by a very smart irony, or at least reproves them for their pride and self-conceit: "You are full, you are rich, you have reigned as kings without us. You have not only a sufficiency, but an affluence, of spiritual gifts; nay, you can make them the matter of your glory without us, that is, in my absence, and without having any need of me." There is a very elegant gradation from sufficiency to wealth, and thence to royalty, to intimate how much the Corinthians were elated by the abundance of their wisdom and spiritual gifts, which was a humour that prevailed among them while the apostle was away from them, and made them forget what an interest he had in all. See how apt pride is to overrate benefits and overlook the benefactor, to swell upon its possessions and forget from whom they come; nay, it is apt to behold them in a magnifying-glass: "You have reigned as kings," says the apostle, "that is, in your own conceit; and I would to God you did reign, that we also might reign with you. I wish you had as much of the true glory of a Christian church upon you as you arrogate to yourselves. I should come in then for a share of the honour: I should reign with you: I should not be overlooked by you as now I am, but valued and regarded as a minister of Christ, and a very useful instrument among you." Note, Those do not commonly know themselves best who think best of themselves, who have the highest opinion of themselves. The Corinthians might have reigned, and the apostle with them, if they had not been blown up with an imaginary royalty. Note, Pride is a great prejudice to our improvement. He is stopped from growing wiser or better who thinks himself at the height; not only full, but rich, nay, a king.

III. He comes to set forth his own circumstances and those of the other apostles, and compares them with theirs. 1. To set forth the case of the apostles: For I think it hath pleased God to set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death. For we are made a spectacle to the world, and to angels, and to men. Paul and his fellow-apostles were exposed to great hardships. Never were any men in this world so hunted and worried. They carried their lives in their hands: God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death, v. 9. An allusion is made to some of the bloody spectacles in the Roman amphitheatres, where men were exposed to fight with wild beasts, or to cut one another to pieces, to make diversion for the populace, where the victor did not escape with his life, though he should destroy his adversary, but was only reserved for another combat, and must be devoured or cut in pieces at last; so that such wretched criminals (for they were ordinarily condemned persons that were thus exposed) might very properly be called epithanatioi-persons devoted or appointed to death. They are said to be set forth last, because the meridian gladiators, those who combated one another in the after-part of the day, were most exposed, being obliged to fight naked; so that (as Seneca says, epist. 7) this was perfect butchery, and those exposed to beasts in the morning were treated mercifully in comparison with these. The general meaning is that the apostles were exposed to continual danger of death, and that of the worst kinds, in the faithful discharge of their office. God had set them forth, brought them into view, as the Roman emperors brought their combatants into the arena, the place of show, though not for the same purposes. They did it to please the populace, and humour their own vanity, and sometimes a much worse principle. The apostles were shown to manifest the power of divine grace, to confirm the truth of their mission and doctrine, and to propagate religion in the world. These were ends worthy of God-noble views, fit to animate them to the combat. But they had like difficulties to encounter, and were in a manner as much exposed as these miserable Roman criminals. Note, The office of an apostle was, as an honourable, so a hard and hazardous one: "For we are made a spectacle to the world, and to angels, and to men, v. 9. A show. We are brought into the theatre, brought out to the public view of the world. Angels and men are witnesses to our persecutions, sufferings, patience, and magnanimity. They all see that we suffer for our fidelity to Christ, and how we suffer; how great and imminent are our dangers, and how bravely we encounter them; how sharp our sufferings, and how patiently we endure them, by the power of divine grace and our Christian principles. Ours is hard work, but honourable; it is hazardous, but glorious. God will have honour from us, religion will be credited by us. The world cannot but see and wonder at our undaunted resolution, our invincible patience and constancy." And how contentedly could they be exposed, both to sufferings and scorn, for the honour of their Master! Note, The faithful ministers and disciples of Christ should contentedly undergo any thing for his sake and honour. 2. He compares his own case with that of the Corinthians: "We are fools for Christ's sake, but you are wise in Christ; we are weak, but you are strong; you are honourable, but we are despised, v. 10. We are fools for Christ's sake; such in common account, and we are well content to be so accounted. We can pass for fools in the world, and be despised as such, so that the wisdom of God and the honour of the gospel may by this means be secured and displayed." Note, Faithful ministers can bear being despised, so that the wisdom of God and the power of his grace be thereby displayed. "But you are wise in Christ. You have the fame of being wise and learned Christians, and you do not a little value yourselves upon it. We are under disgrace for delivering the plain truths of the gospel, and in as plain a manner: you are in reputation for your eloquence and human wisdom, which among many make you pass for wise men in Christ. We are weak, but you are strong. We are suffering for Christ's sake" (so being weak plainly signifies, 2 Co. 12:10), "when you are in easy and flourishing circumstances." Note, All Christians are not alike exposed. Some suffer greater hardships than others who are yet engaged in the same warfare. The standard-bearers in an army are most struck at. So ministers in a time of persecution are commonly the first and greatest sufferers. Or else, "We pass upon the world for persons of but mean endowments, mere striplings in Christianity; but you look upon yourselves, and are looked upon by others, as men, as those of a much more advanced growth and confirmed strength." Note, Those are not always the greatest proficients in Christianity who think thus of themselves, or pass for such upon others. It is but too easy and common for self-love to commit such a mistake. The Corinthians may think themselves, and be esteemed by others, as wiser and stronger men in Christ than the apostles themselves. But O! how gross is the mistake!

IV. He enters into some particularities of their sufferings: Even to this present hour; that is, after all the service we have been doing among you and other churches, we hunger and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwelling-place, and labour, working with our own hands, v. 11, 12. Nay, they were made as the filth of the world, and the off-scouring of all things, v. 13. They were forced to labour with their own hands to get subsistence, and had so much, and so much greater, business to mind, that they could not attend enough to this, to get a comfortable livelihood, but were exposed to hunger, thirst, and nakedness-many times wanted meat, and drink, and clothes. They were driven about the world, without having any fixed abode, any stated habitation. Poor circumstances indeed, for the prime ministers of our Saviour's kingdom to have no house nor home, and to be destitute of food and raiment! But yet no poorer than his who had not where to lay his head, Lu. 9:58. But O glorious charity and devotion, that would carry them through all these hardships! How ardently did they love God, how vehemently did they thirst for the salvation of souls! Theirs was voluntary, it was pleasing poverty. They thought they had a rich amends for all the outward good things they wanted, if they might but serve Christ and save souls. Nay, though they were made the filth of the world, and the off-scouring of all things. They were treated as men not fit to live, perikatharmata. It is reasonably thought by the critics that an allusion is here made to a common custom of many heathen nations, to offer men in sacrifice in a time of pestilence, or other like grievous calamity. These were ordinarily the vilest of men, persons of the lowest rank and worst character. Thus, in the first ages, Christians were counted the source of all public calamities, and were sacrificed to the people's rage, if not to appease their angry deities. And apostles could not meet with better usage. They suffered in their persons and characters as the very worst and vilest men, as the most proper to make such a sacrifice: or else as the very dirt of the world, that was to be swept away: nay, as the off-scouring of all things, the dross, the filings of all things. They were the common-sewer into which all the reproaches of the world were to be poured. To be the off-scouring of any thing is bad, but what is it to be the off-scouring of all things! How much did the apostles resemble their Master, and fill up that which was behind of his afflictions, for his body's sake, which is the church! Col. 1:24. They suffered for him, and they suffered after his example. Thus poor and despised was he in his life and ministry. And every one who would be faithful in Christ Jesus must prepare for the same poverty and contempt. Note, Those may be very dear to God, and honourable in his esteem, whom men may think unworthy to live, and use and scorn as the very dirt and refuse of the world. God seeth not as man seeth, 1 Sa. 16:7.

V. We have here the apostles' behaviour under all; and the return they made for this mal-treatment: Being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it; being defamed, we entreat, v. 12, 13. They returned blessings for reproaches, and entreaties and kind exhortations for the rudest slanders and defamation, and were patient under the sharpest persecutions. Note, The disciples of Christ, and especially his ministers, should hold fast their integrity, and keep a good conscience, whatever opposition of hardships they meet with from the world. Whatever they suffer from men, they must follow the example, and fulfil the will and precepts, of their Lord. They must be content, with him and for him, to be despised and abused.
 
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Romans 12:3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you.

1 Peter 5:5-6 Young men, in the same way be submissive to those who are older. All of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because, "God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble." Humble yourselves, therefore, under God's mighty hand, that he may lift you up in due time.

Colossians 3:12 Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.

Proverbs 18:12 Before his downfall a man's heart is proud, but humility comes before honor.

JESUS

Philippians 2:6-7 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
 
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I don't know where you are getting your theology from, but I have to say it looks decidedly dodgy to me. There are most certainly NOT two species of Christians.

However, I don't expect you to change your mind. I just want to make it clear to anyone else who might be confused on this matter. This kind of elitism is what the Lord came to overcome, not to perpetuate.




Elitism is a strong word that does not come from the bible.

These are just two examples of God excluding some and including others for leadership based upon certain criteria.

Act 6:3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.

1Ti 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
1Ti 3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Here is a divsion made, carnel versus spiritual...

Gal 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.


1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

Heb 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil


We see the same teaching in the Old Testament

1Sa 13:13 And Samuel said to Saul, Thou hast done foolishly: thou hast not kept the commandment of the LORD thy God, which he commanded thee: for now would the LORD have established thy kingdom upon Israel for ever.
1Sa 13:14 But now thy kingdom shall not continue: the LORD hath sought him a man after his own heart, and the LORD hath commanded him to be captain over his people, because thou hast not kept that which the LORD commanded thee.



And the verse that really sums up the issue...

Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Rom 12:4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:


We ought to feel secure in God's love for us. But that does not mean we are to think of ourselves more highly than we ought to. We do not all hold the same office in the church.

What I would say though is mass revivals and the holy Spirit moving over crowds of people is usually a response to corporate seeking of God and not an individual's personal calling.
 
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I don't know where you are getting your theology from, but I have to say it looks decidedly dodgy to me. There are most certainly NOT two species of Christians.

However, I don't expect you to change your mind. I just want to make it clear to anyone else who might be confused on this matter. This kind of elitism is what the Lord came to overcome, not to perpetuate.


Then while you are providing clarification then explain to them too how the disciples who were of flesh -men where able to do spiritual things then.. Since you don't want anyone to be confused and since God has put the same gifts in everyone I guess that's what you are saying. Although the bible clearly states that the gifts were administered at different.. So what does that mean.. That means that one is stronger in one gift than another and why is that? It's all based on your calling and your purpose.

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But that doesn't follow the pattern of the NT though,

Paul and those he called apostles went about doing great things .. and the 12 apostles did great things .. but the next generation .. just read

1 Corinthians 4 (New International Version)

8Already you have all you want! Already you have become rich! You have become kings—and that without us! How I wish that you really had become kings so that we might be kings with you! 9For it seems to me that God has put us apostles on display at the end of the procession, like men condemned to die in the arena. We have been made a spectacle to the whole universe, to angels as well as to men. 10We are fools for Christ, but you are so wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are honored, we are dishonored! 11To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty, we are in rags, we are brutally treated, we are homeless. 12We work hard with our own hands. When we are cursed, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it; 13when we are slandered, we answer kindly. Up to this moment we have become the scum of the earth, the refuse of the world.

14I am not writing this to shame you, but to warn you, as my dear children.

According to Paul there are two types of Christians .

The apostles were the ones who heard this

John 14
12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

and lived it .

but perhaps in interest of getting back on topic .. what did Paul and the Apostles have that the settlers didn't?


Bless you in your efforts. Jesus sent the 12 disciples out but, told them that the ones who did not receive let them be like dust under their feet. I think our compassion and the love for the Lord makes us fight to make them see but, that word is spiritually discerned and what appears to be clear for you is not clear and will not be clear for them.. that's their choice and we all make choices. Glory To God!

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Just for the record since I have noticed that some spoke about making one self feel elite.

I know who I am In The Lord!

I know What Gifts The Lord Has Given Me!

I am not bragging by saying what God is Doing and Going to Do In My Life

At All Times God Gets The Glory Because I understand that I am not righteous enough to take credit for anything Good that God has done through me. Glory To God!

I Hear & See Spiritually and I can Say It As Many Times As I Like Without Someone Trying to Make Me Feel Bad Or Silence Me.

If I wasn't anything or what I said wasn't anything you truly wouldn't follow my post. Trust me you wouldn't even see me.

I know where you are spiritually just by reading your post. And sometimes the Holy Ghost does reveal things about you to me.

But, I don't Boost about a title Because Yes I do have one. It's All About Spiritual Growth Nothing More and Nothing Less. It's Not About Me. So I do encourage all to grow Spiritually.

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Bless you in your efforts. Jesus sent the 12 disciples out but, told them that the ones who did not receive let them be like dust under their feet. I think our compassion and the love for the Lord makes us fight to make them see but, that word is spiritually discerned and what appears to be clear for you is not clear and will not be clear for them.. that's their choice and we all make choices. Glory To God!

All The Glory Belongs To God Forever!

It's not so much about choice . God may use their choice . but since these things are spiritually discerned .. only God can enable one to see what He has enabled me to see and for you to see .

Since God did not give up on me when i was a hard hearted law person (really, i was the worst) trying to be what the bible talked about .. until i reached the place of the spiritual and matured in it .. and saw it grow naturally from His love .. well, i won't be too quick to dust anything off my feet at anyone .

but that's the love God has demonstrated to me . so i am loving others as God has loved me .

indeed all glory belongs to God forever .

Love bless .
 
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It's not so much about choice . God may use their choice . but since these things are spiritually discerned .. only God can enable one to see what He has enabled me to see and for you to see .

Since God did not give up on me when i was a hard hearted law person (really, i was the worst) trying to be what the bible talked about .. until i reached the place of the spiritual and matured in it .. and saw it grow naturally from His love .. well, i won't be too quick to dust anything off my feet at anyone .

but that's the love God has demonstrated to me . so i am loving others as God has loved me .

indeed all glory belongs to God forever .

Love bless .


That's A Good Word! And Surely God Will Bless You In Your Efforts.
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What were the disciples preaching? The were preaching the end is near, repent and turn to GOD so that forgiveness can be offered. The dust brushing off was toward those who did not turn to GOD in repentance to receive forgiveness. It wasn't about being slain by the spirit. Jesus never told anyone to go out and slay others by the spirit. If HE did, it would be in the bible and GOD fearing men and woman would preaching that.
 
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They were able to heal because of spiritual maturity which increases with faith but they took no credit for themselves in it because spiritual maturity understands that it is not by us the works of GOD are done, it is by HIM and HIM alone.

Acts 14:12-18 Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul they called Hermes because he was the chief speaker. The priest of Zeus, whose temple was just outside the city, brought bulls and wreaths to the city gates because he and the crowd wanted to offer sacrifices to them. "Men, why are you doing this? We too are only men, human like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made heaven and earth and sea and everything in them. In the past, he let all nations go their own way. Yet he has not left himself without testimony: He has shown kindness by giving you rain from heaven and crops in their seasons; he provides you with plenty of food and fills your hearts with joy." Even with these words, they had difficulty keeping the crowd from sacrificing to them.
 
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Our Heavenly Father who sees what is done in private (secret, not drawing attention to oneself), whether prayer, giving to the needy, healing, fasting etc.... will openly reward you. Not for you to turn and take the credit for yourself or boast in your own efforts and skills, but to bring GLORY TO HIM. The true believer will not claim to have done anything, they will be silent and give all GLORY to GOD where it truly belongs.
 
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WATER FROM THE ROCK

Numbers 20 6-13 Moses and Aaron went from the assembly to the entrance to the Tent of Meeting and fell facedown, and the glory of the LORD appeared to them. The LORD said to Moses, "Take the staff, and you and your brother Aaron gather the assembly together. Speak to that rock before their eyes and it will pour out its water. You will bring water out of the rock for the community so they and their livestock can drink." So Moses took the staff from the LORD's presence, just as he commanded him. He and Aaron gathered the assembly together in front of the rock and Moses said to them, "Listen, you rebels, must we bring you water out of this rock?" Then Moses raised his arm and struck the rock twice with his staff. Water gushed out, and the community and their livestock drank. But the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, "Because you did not trust in me enough to honor me as holy in the sight of the Israelites, you will not bring this community into the land I give them." These were the waters of Meribah, where the Israelites quarreled with the LORD and where he showed himself holy among them.

Death of Aaron

Numbers 20:24 "Aaron will be gathered to his people. He will not enter the land I give the Israelites, because both of you rebelled against my command at the waters of Meribah."

Death of Moses

Deuteronomy 50-52 "There on the mountain that you have climbed you will die and be gathered to your people, just as your brother Aaron died on Mount Hor and was gathered to his people. This is because both of you broke faith with me in the presence of the Israelites at the waters of Meribah Kadesh in the Desert of Zin and because you did not uphold my holiness among the Israelites. Therefore, you will see the land only from a distance; you will not enter the land I am giving to the people of Israel."

It was only by the power of GOD that water came from the rock. But Aaron and Moses did not give that glory to GOD, but took it for their own.

I pray in the name of Christ Jesus that you can come to understand the truth of these scriptures. This is not Satan speaking to you, may OUR LORD GOD speak directly to your heart of this truth.

Micah 6:8 He has showed you, O man, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
 
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It's not so much about choice . God may use their choice . but since these things are spiritually discerned .. only God can enable one to see what He has enabled me to see and for you to see .

Since God did not give up on me when i was a hard hearted law person (really, i was the worst) trying to be what the bible talked about .. until i reached the place of the spiritual and matured in it .. and saw it grow naturally from His love .. well, i won't be too quick to dust anything off my feet at anyone .

Don't all believers have the Spirit?

In speaking of the Gospel, the apostle says:
"but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
"For who has known the mind of the Lord
that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ."

What are these "spiritual truths in spiritual words"?

The context indicates that it is the very message of the Gospel. Paul is not talking about some "extra level" of spiritual understanding that some Christians possess and others don't.

He's talking about the Gospel message of Christ's atoning sacrifice, which can only be understood through the Holy Spirit.
 
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