Would God eat a ham sandwich?

visionary said:

Make sure you include this verse in your understanding...

Isaiah 66:17
They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

Just wanted you to be sure...

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Thankfully, it is not we who sanctify ourselves, but God alone who sanctifies us.

visionary said:

Make sure you include this verse in your understanding...

Isaiah 66:17
They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

Just wanted you to be sure...

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Which part of what we said didn't you understand?

1. Foods cannot defile you.
2. Thus declaring all foods clean.
3. No one is to act as your judge regarding what you eat.

Timothew said:

Thus Jesus declared all foods clean.

(including ham and cheese on rye, with grey poupon mustard and a pickle, With sea salt and vinegar chips on the side and a Diet Coke. That's good eating)

90 minutes until lunch!

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Tho that may be what it is meant, Jesus didn't use the word "declare" in that verse.
And why is it shown in parenthesis in some versions?

Did Yeshua pronounce all foods clean

NKJV) Mark 7:19 "because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, [thus] purifying all foods?"

NASB) Mark 7:19 because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" (Thus He declared all foods clean.)

LLOJ) Mark 7:19 That not is going into of him into the heart but into the bowel and into the latrine it is going out cleansing/kaqarizon <2511> (5723) all the foods

Greek New Testament - Parallel Greek New Testament by John Hurt

Textus Rec.) Mark 7:19 oti ouk eisporeuetai autou eiV thn kardian all eiV thn koilian kai eiV ton afedrwna ekporeuetai kaqarizon panta ta brwmata

2511. katharizo kath-ar-id'-zo from 2513; to cleanse (literally or figuratively):--(make) clean(-se), purge, purify.

1Co 6:12 All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything.
1Co 6:13 Food is for the stomach and the stomach is for food, but God will do away with both of them. Yet the body is not for immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord is for the body.


1Co 10:23 All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify.


Rom 14:1 Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions.
Rom 14:2 One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only.
Rom 14:3 The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him.
Rom 14:4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.

Tangible said:

Thankfully, it is not we who sanctify ourselves, but God alone who sanctifies us.

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Timothew said:

Which part of what we said didn't you understand?

1. Foods cannot defile you.
2. Thus declaring all foods clean.
3. No one is to act as your judge regarding what you eat.

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Hunters love to eat the wild boar they shot!

visionary said:

Of course not... that is between you and God... even in this matter.. do all things witha heart towards obeying your heavenly Father who sanctifies you..Amen

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Zeph 1:7 Be-hushed! from faces/before of my Lord YHWH, that near Day of YHWH.
That YHWH prepares a Sacrifice, He sanctifies ones-being-Called/07121 qara'/#2822 klhtouv of Him. 8 And He becomes in Day of sacrifice of YHWH.........

Reve 17:14 These with the lambkin shall be battling and the lambkin shall be conquering them. That Lord of Lords He is and King of Kings.
And the-ones with Him called-ones/klhtoi <2822> and chosen/eklektoi <1588> and faithful-ones

Tangible said:

Thankfully, it is not we who sanctify ourselves, but God alone who sanctifies us.

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John 17:19... for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

John 14:17 [Even] the Spirit of truth

1Tit 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer

Romans 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

Originally Posted by Tangible Thankfully, it is not we who sanctify ourselves, but God alone who sanctifies us.

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Thru the blood and spirit of our Lord and Savior, Jesus the Christ

Zephaniah 1:7 Be-hushed! from faces of my-Lord YHWH, that near Day of YHWH.
That YHWH prepares a Sacrifice, He sanctifies/hallows/06942 qadash/hgiaken <37> ones-being-Called/07121 qara' of Him.
8 And becomes in Day of Sacrifice of YHWH.........[Revelation 19:17]

1 Corinthians 6:11 And these some ye were. But ye are washed/bathed/apelousasqe <628> (5668), but ye are hallowed/sanctified/hgiasqhte <37> (5681), but ye are justified/edikaiwqhte <1344> (5681) in the name of the Lord Jesus and in the Spirit of the God of us.

Is Jesus talking about animals here or men as swine?

Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Prov 11:22 As a jewel of gold in a swine's snout, so is a fair woman which is without discretion.

Prov 19:11 The discretion of a man deferreth his anger

Swine turn and REND YOU a Jewel of Gold in a swines snouth is as a woman WITHOUT discretion whereas a man of discretion deferreth his anger ... I would suppose not REND YOU as a Swine does

2Peter 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Theres another

Fireinfolding said:

Is Jesus talking about animals here or men as swine?

Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Prov 11:22 As a jewel of gold in a swine's snout, so is a fair woman which is without discretion.

Prov 19:11 The discretion of a man deferreth his anger

Swine turn and REND YOU a Jewel of Gold in a swines snouth is as a woman WITHOUT discretion whereas a man of discretion deferreth his anger ... I would suppose not REND YOU as a Swine does

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A devonverted Christian had an interesting thread on that

http://www.christianforums.com/t7256012-15/#post47689189
Skeptics, Cynics, and Pearls (Oh My!)

My dear Christian theologians:

I&#8217;ve been puzzled for quite some time by Matthew 7:6. Let me quote it here:

Do not give dogs what is sacred, do not show your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.

LittleLambofJesus said:

A former Christian had an interesting thread on that

http://www.christianforums.com/t7256012-15/#post47689189
Skeptics, Cynics, and Pearls (Oh My!)

My dear Christian theologians:

I’ve been puzzled for quite some time by Matthew 7:6. Let me quote it here:

Do not give dogs what is sacred, do not show your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.

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A dog returns to their vomit, tables of vomit are here

Isaiah 28:8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.

2Cr 7:1Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Ephes 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

I gotta stop "jesting" Im guilty of that

So again its true, its not what goes INTO a mans mouth that defileth (or makes unclean) a man but what comes out of his mouth THAT is what defiles (or makes unclean) a man, thats why it speaks of tables, we sit at tables to eat and to communicate" the vomit is on the tables themselves. Its not what they eat its what they are speaking.

Confirmation...Again...

Col 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

Thats part of putting off the old man, works of darkness

Our "conversation" here...

Psalm 50:23 Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.

1Peter 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation

Heres one too

2Peter 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked

Theres alot of our conversation, the tables we partake of the cup of blessing and cursing etc. This is a good study

*snip*
Heres one too

2Peter 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked

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visionary said:

amen

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True Dat

Romans 2:23 Who in law are boasting through the transgression of the Law, the God thou are dishonoring
24 'For the name of the God because of ye, is being blasphemed in the nations' according as it has been written. [Psalm 74:10]

Reve 16:11 And they blaspheme the God of the heaven out of the miseries of them, and out of the sores of them, and not they reform out of the works of them.

Fireinfolding said:

Confirmation...Again...

Col 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

Thats part of putting off the old man, works of darkness

Our "conversation" here...

Psalm 50:23 Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.

1Peter 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation

Heres one too

2Peter 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked

Theres alot of our conversation, the tables we partake of the cup of blessing and cursing etc. This is a good study

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Again the darkness

Mark 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh

Job 37:19 Teach us what we shall say unto him; for we cannot order our speech by reason of darkness.

He teaches sinners his ways

Prov 23:16 Yea, my reins shall rejoice, when thy lips speak right things.

Isaiah 57:19 I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to [him that is] far off, and to [him that is] near, saith the LORD; and I will heal him.

Wholesome means "health" or "cure" he creates the fruit of lips and will heal him

Prov 15:4 A wholesome tongue is a tree of life



Ephes 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

James 3:13 Who [is] a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

visionary said:

amen

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And the angels are rejoicing

Fireinfolding said:

And the angels are rejoicing

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2 Corin 6:18 And I shall be to ye as a father and ye shall be to Me as sons and daughters is saying Lord Almighty/panto-kratwr <3841>.

Reve 19:6 and I hear as sound of a throng, many, and as a sound of waters, many, and as sound of thunders, strong saying:"allhlouia, that reigns Lord the God *of-us, the Almighty.