Benny Hinn and dateline

Blade · Jan 2, 2003

Do you people know what gossip is

You try to keep yourself save by saying he is not annointed. You nor I really know this so if you do not want what GOD has said will happen to those who touch his annointed. 

So we all stand before Jesus saying "hay look what we found, Get him Jesus". You who without sin cast the 1st stone. You think your sin is less then his? Come on you have posted some of his sins, then post yours? If you can judge him then I can judge you. Forgive him, and pray for him. And then give it the the lord.

Now as the lord as my judge, I have NEVER been a fan of Benny. Jesus, the man asks "how many times do I have to HAVE TO forgive my brother" Jesus said "7*70". Put his shoes on for a few months and then come back and let me know what it's like.

 Where two or three are together in my name (thats Jesus) there am I. Wow Jesus is really there.

If you have done it to the LEAST of these you have done it unto me (Jesus, Gods words). Now if the least is HIM what about others? This is why some of you have problems in this life.  You open your mouth before you pray. Jesus said "if you do not forgive your father in heaven will not forgive you". It makes no diff, you have to forgive. You HAVE to love him.

two feathers · Jan 2, 2003

Originally posted by Martin
I wouldn't be so quick to condemn the Lord's annointed, and there is an annointing there.

where?

On the money side, I get fed up of hearing people carping-on about rich pastors, evangelists and teachers. I don't have any problem with the money side of things.

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two feathers · Jan 2, 2003

Originally posted by Martin
So, if God told him/you to give it all away tomorrow - could you do it?

yep. in a heartbeat.

IslandBreeze · Jan 2, 2003

Originally posted by Blade
Do you people know what gossip is You try to keep yourself save by saying he is not annointed. You nor I really know this so if you do not want what GOD has said will happen to those who touch his annointed. 

So we all stand before Jesus saying "hay look what we found, Get him Jesus". You who without sin cast the 1st stone. You think your sin is less then his? Come on you have posted some of his sins, then post yours? If you can judge him then I can judge you. Shut up in the name of Jesus. Forgive him, and pray for him. And then give it the the lord.

Now as the lord as my judge, I have NEVER been a fan of Benny. Jesus, the man asks "how many times do I have to HAVE TO forgive my brother" Jesus said "7*70". Put his shoes on for a few months and then come back and let me know what it's like.

 Where two or three are together in my name (thats Jesus) there am I. Wow Jesus is really there.

If you have done it to the LEAST of these you have done it unto me (Jesus, Gods words). Now if the least is HIM what about others? This is why some of you have problems in this life.  You open your mouth before you pray. Jesus said "if you do not forgive your father in heaven will not forgive you". It makes no diff, you have to forgive. You HAVE to love him.

Love and forgiveness are one thing. Supporting a "ministy" that blasphemes God is quite another, and THAT is something that I will NEVER do, curse or not.

Blindfaith · Jan 2, 2003

You who without sin cast the 1st stone. You think your sin is less then his

Shut up in the name of Jesus

There you go 

  Real nice there Blade.  I don't see anybody else here telling the posters they don't agree with to "shut up".  Not a smart thing to do on your part. 

 

 

If you can judge him then I can judge you

Jesus, the man asks "how many times do I have to HAVE TO forgive my brother" Jesus said "7*70

?  I can't judge a false prophet, or maybe I can.  If I do, then you can judge me, but I'm really not suppose to judge him because I have to forgive him 7 x 70.  Did I get this right?

Jesus called out false prophets.  WWJD in this instance?  I don't believe for ONE INSTANCE that Jesus would put up with his false doctrine, and his fleecing of Christ's flock.  Period.

seebs · Jan 2, 2003

Originally posted by Blade
Do you people know what gossip is You try to keep yourself save by saying he is not annointed. You nor I really know this so if you do not want what GOD has said will happen to those who touch his annointed.

It seems to me that "refusing to speak out against a false teacher" and "speaking out falsely against a true teacher" are both horrible. We have to do our best to exercise whatever discernment we get.

So we all stand before Jesus saying "hay look what we found, Get him Jesus". You who without sin cast the 1st stone. You think your sin is less then his? Come on you have posted some of his sins, then post yours?

I don't think most of us said our sins are less than his. Only God knows. My guess is that, in the grand scheme of things, they're about the same. The only concern I have is that I am worried that this man may be a con artist, using God's name just as a way to get money. He wouldn't be the first.

Blade · Jan 3, 2003

Hi seebs,

It is sometime so hard to know if their heart is right or not. I was looking up some of the so called great men of God when I found one (1930-40s) that said " if we are dead to the flesh then it makes no difference if we drive a brand new car to church , job or a junker."

Blade · Jan 3, 2003

Originally posted by blindfaith
 

There you go    Real nice there Blade.  I don't see anybody else here telling the posters they don't agree with to "shut up".  Not a smart thing to do on your part. 

 

 

?  I can't judge a false prophet, or maybe I can.  If I do, then you can judge me, but I'm really not suppose to judge him because I have to forgive him 7 x 70.  Did I get this right?

Jesus called out false prophets.  WWJD in this instance?  I don't believe for ONE INSTANCE that Jesus would put up with his false doctrine, and his fleecing of Christ's flock.  Period.

If the shup up brothered you then maybe I should have said "keep your mouth closed?" Or Pray before you speak? As for false prophet and judgeing. I've had people say "healing today" as I do believe, say its a false teaching and therefor you are not of God. People use that "false prophet" to apply to, alot of the time to things in the word they don't understand or don't believe. Its when people say "the TV (or just hearing it form somewhere) was saying he, she (anyone for that matter) said this or that" and they never heard it come out of his or her mouth.

Now I have read in the news groups a person called "Dore" that is God. She uses the word. Now that is a false prophet. Antichrist. To quote something she has said and tell people to stay away from is a very wise choice. 

Blade · Jan 3, 2003

Originally posted by Cammie
Love and forgiveness are one thing. Supporting a "ministy" that blasphemes God is quite another, and THAT is something that I will NEVER do, curse or not.

I agree. I believe giving money to this web site (for me) would be a GREAT blessing than to give it to him.

 

Chris†opher Paul · Jan 3, 2003

You try to keep yourself save by saying he is not annointed. You nor I really know this so if you do not want what GOD has said will happen to those who touch his annointed.

If someone blasphemies against God, I think it is safe to say they are not "annointed," rather, annoying.

The Simple Plan · Jan 3, 2003

Just for clarity may I point out the following:

He suffered no man to do them wrong: yea, he reproved kings for their sakes, Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm.1 Chronicles 16:21,22

He suffered no man to do them wrong: yea, he reproved kings for their sakes; Saying, Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm. Psalm 105: 14.15

What has this got to do with the price of eggs? Well using any method of biblical interpretation, one finds that the term touch not mine annointed referred solely and specifically to the kings of Israel and Judah.

This in no way applies to PASTORS or any modern leaders, to do so would be at worst corrupt proof texting or at least spiritual gymnastics.

I include the following texts to state that the annointing of the Holy Spirit is not some ecstatic phenomena restricted to a few but is something that is given to all who have accepted God as their personal saviour and king.

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.  And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. 1 John 2:26-28

For no matter how many promises God has made, they are "Yes" in Christ. And so through him the "Amen" is spoken by us to the glory of God. Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. 2 Cor 1:20-22

Ok you may continue........ :clap:

RevKidd · Jan 3, 2003

Originally posted by Blade

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Do you people know what gossip is <IMG alt="" src="http://www.christianforums.com/images/smilies/confused.gif" border=0> You try to keep yourself save by saying he is not annointed. You nor I really know this so if you do not want what GOD has said will happen to those who touch his annointed. 

So we all stand before Jesus saying "hay look what we found, Get him Jesus". You who without sin cast the 1st stone. You think your sin is less then his? Come on you have posted some of his sins, then post yours? If you can judge him then I can judge you. Shut up in the name of Jesus. Forgive him, and pray for him. And then give it the the lord.

Now as the lord as my judge, I have NEVER been a fan of Benny. Jesus, the man asks "how many times do I have to HAVE TO forgive my brother" Jesus said "7*70". Put his shoes on for a few months and then come back and let me know what it's like.

 Where two or three are together in my name (thats Jesus) there am I. Wow Jesus is really there.

If you have done it to the LEAST of these you have done it unto me (Jesus, Gods words). Now if the least is HIM what about others? This is why some of you have problems in this life.  You open your mouth before you pray. Jesus said "if you do not forgive your father in heaven will not forgive you". It makes no diff, you have to forgive. You HAVE to love him.

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The Bible states that we are to know others by the fruit that they produce.  Exaclty, with evidence, show me the fruit that Benny Hinn produces, other than his bank account and his 3.5 million dollar parsonage that all his supporters and donators are building for him. 

Benny Hinn has the same anointing that we all have.  Unfortunately the mainstream Charismatic Churches, especially the ones on TV, have perverted and prostituted the term "Anointing" and all other spiritual gifts.  They want the below average believer to think that they are an above average Christian because of this "Anointing". 

Do you know that Benny Hinn has not once been able to show real proof of a healing...  He has been asked many times to validate his gift and time after time he either avoids the proposistion or gives evidence that was easily overturned by clinical physicians. 

Do you really think that this anointing is prompting Benny to teach and preach the false phophecies and Doctrines that I listed....

 
[*]Prophesied that Jesus Christ was going to start appearing physically with him at his crusades and in churches across America.  I believe that this is against what the word of God says.... :

[*]Prophesied that all homosexuals would be consumed by a literal fire from heaven consuming them all.....

[*]Prophesied that Fidel Castro would be killed in the 90's

[*]Has taught that women originally were designed to give birth from the sides of there bodies....He was told this by God.

[*]He taught that Adam and Eve could Fly with the birds and swim with the fish.  They had to have this capability to have "Domain" (he translated the meaning of this word wrong) over the animals of the earth.

[*]He also said in 1999 that the wealth of the sinners would be placed in the lap of the believers.... Still waiting for my share...
I don't think so.....

And like the person after me said,

And my grandmother will sit in front of the TV and listen to this bunk all day...

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That's the problem.  People don't take Peter words seriously when he said to to be able to give a defense... And that we need to be able to right divide or handle the word of God.  Sure there are some interpretational differances amongst us, but Benny and all the cast of TBN (and some are not as bad as others) are starting to adhere to this Word Faith movement.  They are preaching this Doctrine that Jesus, when crucified and died, went to hell, and was tortured for 3 days until God looked down and said, "That's enough"  He then raised Jesus from the grave physically and "SPIRITUALLY" claiming Jesus to be the first "Born Again Man".  This is ok?  Yes we are to forgive, but what happens when they teach this jargon.  Who is holding them accountable? 

No One.  Why?  Money.  If you say anything to anybody on TBN they will condemn you on TV and then they will stop commercializing your books, and other spiritual wares.... All these people realize that.  Hagee, Parsley, Jakes, Meyers....and so and so on.  And they all know this. 

Apologist · Jan 3, 2003

Originally posted by Leviathan

 
[*]Prophesied that Jesus Christ was going to start appearing physically with him at his crusades and in churches across America.  I believe that this is against what the word of God says.... :

[*]Prophesied that all homosexuals would be consumed by a literal fire from heaven consuming them all.....

[*]Prophesied that Fidel Castro would be killed in the 90's

Well said Leviathan.

You sound like a regular listener to the Bible Answer Man also.

God bless

eldermike · Jan 3, 2003

Folks, I get a awful feeling in my gut when I see threads that are essentially bringing out the worst in us.
We hurt ourselves in the process of publicly attacking others. you will not find a model for this activity in scripture.

Matt 18 is the model for how to approach these issues.
Unless you have had your private meeting with this person, unless you have gone with 2 or 3 others to plead your case to him, you don't belong in here making public statements that include some facts, some rumor and your spin.

Think about it this way. What do you wish to accomplish?
Do you want to show yourself to be different, superior, correct?

Well let's see how you are doing:
Are you different? No, this is the same thing He does.
Are you Superior? No, you have 5 or 6 people in the audience, He has a few more.
Are you correct? Well, You haven't actually said anything about yourselves, it's just about Him. So, who knows.

This process is not Christian.

Live4Jesus · Jan 3, 2003

hmmm... I don't know...

Jesus healed me of every ache and pain I ever had when I was saved too... ask me to prove it and lots would say pzoo too.... that's their buisness my life is mine I suppose...

aren't the people who get up there after saying they've been healed proof enough? Probably siome do exaggerate and probably some never speak up... never seen one of his shows but does God heal miraculously? Oh yes indeed!

the money part well it's expensive to run the show he's running certainly can't say God has cursed him...

Between him and God that I would say...

RevKidd · Jan 3, 2003

aren't the people who get up there after saying they've been healed proof enough? Probably siome do exaggerate and probably some never speak up... never seen one of his shows but does God heal miraculously? Oh yes indeed!

I certainly do believe that God does heal, and he has probably healed through Benny Hinn. But, don't you think that it is weird that he cannot provide when verifiable ounce of evidence.... The dateline article talked about a women who he supposedly healed of lung Cancer. At the Crusade he said that the reason she was coughing was because God was forming a new lung in her.... She died 3 months later of lung Cancer.... And this is not the only one.

Between him and God that I would say...

Well, I wish that God will tell him when he is going to put the wealth of the sinners in my lap.... And I am still curious about the whole homosexual community being consumed by fire....

Apologist · Jan 3, 2003

Originally posted by eldermike

We hurt ourselves in the process of publicly attacking others. you will not find a model for this activity in scripture.

I think this biblical perspective from CRI's web site sums up what should be our response:

Exposing Doctrinal Errors: Heresy Hunting or Biblical Mandate?

Well, Im sure youve all heard by now, that Christians are simply supposed to love one another and be united together in faith. Should we, therefore, regard as divisive those Christians who speak out against teachings in the church which are clearly unbiblical?

I can tell you firsthand that it is no joy to be labeled a heresy-hunter. Yet, as Paul instructed Timothy, we are to zealously guard the purity of the message God has entrusted to us, and for good reason (1 Tim 1:18-19; 6:20; 2 Tim. 4:2-5).

We read in such passages as Acts chapter 20, and 2 Peter chapter 2, that false teachers will arise, bringing with them destructive heresies, distorting the truth and destroying the faith of some. Moreover, it is clear that these teachers will come not only from outside the church, but also from within the body of Christ as well.

It is therefore imperative that we test all things by Scripture (1 Thes. 5:21). It was in this spirit that the Bereans examined the words of the Apostle Paul, for which they were reckoned as noble in character (Acts 17:11).

Indeed, not only can the Bible be used for preaching, teaching and encouragement, but, it is equally valuable for correcting and rebuking (2 Tim. 4:2). As a matter of fact, we as Christians are held accountable for proclaiming the whole will of God, warning others of false teachings. (Acts 20:26-28; cf. Ezek. 33:7-9; 34:1-10).

This is not merely a suggestion, it is, in fact, a divine mandate. Of course if heresies are coming from teachers within the church, we ought to try and approach them first with our concerns. Should that fail to resolve the problem, we are told in Matthew 18 to expose their errors to the church; and if need be, divulge their names. (1 Tim. 1:20; 2 Tim. 2:17-18; 4:14-15; 3 John 9-10).

We would, therefore, do well to heed Scriptures explicit warnings to be on guard for false teachings (Rom. 16:17-18; cf. 1 Tim. 1:3-4; 4:16; 2 Tim. 1:13-14; Titus 1:9; 2:1), and to point them out to brothers and sisters in Christ (2 Tim. 4:6). At CRI, it is not our practice to make an issue out of peripheral matters on which honest Christians can differ. However, we are committed to exposing those who would compromise the essential doctrines of the historic Christian faith. Remember, controversy for the sake of controversy is sin. But controversy for the sake of the truth is a divine command.

Apologist · Jan 3, 2003

Originally posted by eldermike

Matt 18 is the model for how to approach these issues.
Unless you have had your private meeting with this person, unless you have gone with 2 or 3 others to plead your case to him, you don't belong in here making public statements that include some facts, some rumor and your spin.

That has already been done in the past to no avail.

Since Benny Hinn is preaching false doctrine on a public broadcast then we too have every right to publicly proclaim him a flase prophet and a false teacher.

Think about it this way. What do you wish to accomplish?

We wish to warn others of his false teachings as we are admonished to do in scripture.

If we apply what you are contending then what right do we have to speak out against Moromons, The Watchtower, Transcendental Meditation or any other abhorrent teachings?

This process is not Christian

Actually not warning other believers is not Christian!

Susan · Jan 3, 2003

Amen Apologist. Can you come over to the verbal bashing thread in Nondenom Discussions and help me out? Thanks.

eldermike · Jan 4, 2003

If we apply what you are contending then what right do we have to speak out against Moromons, The Watchtower, Transcendental Meditation or any other abhorrent teachings?

We speak out and should speak out about Christ. Yes you are half right here. But, you missed my point about our methods (perhaps I was trying to get you to see it yourself). Take what is wrong and make a statement of what is right without attacking what is wrong and you will win a few of those cult folks over. Get in their face and tell them how wrong they are and you will lose your chance.

I talk to them all the time but I never attack them with a bible, I find it's better to just read it and let God do what He's best at.

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