What or who are the Locusts?

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Great posts on the locusts ! :)

the locusts seem to signify prideful men

thats what I got from it and in Joel 2 the army of God will battle with the locusts out of the pit or darkness / ignorance and the smoke/ self righteouness

Peace . C

Hi C!! :hug: Yeah Im sorta seeing it like that when you look at the peices surrounding it all, for instance Paul speaks of a crown (corruptible and incorruptible) the same as the wisdom of men and the wisdom of God (Christ) theres a crown LIKE gold and a crown of PURE gold in scripture also, the locusts are wearing one LIKE gold.

So I was looking at this (letting script lead where it might)

1Cr 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

Then the crown of PRIDE (which goes before "destruction" the interpreted name of the king over the locusts

Isaiah 21:3 The crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim, shall be trodden under feet:

Given the crown is on the "head" or where the MIND is Paul spoke of having humility of MIND, not letting our MINDS be corrupted, or to pull down ever HIGH THING that exalts itself over the knowledge of God.

2Cr 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ

Job 41:34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.

Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, (destruction) but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon (destroyer)

Prov 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.


Lifted up in pride (the devils condemnation)

I believe that humility of MIND to be SOBERMINDED and to gravitate to those of LOW estate speak to the same because the crown of pride seems more like HIGHMINDED and as with Ephraim relates to drunkards (the oppisite of soberminded) and thinks itself of a HIGH estate.

But yeah, the CROWN on the HEAD and the corruption as it pertains to them all as well as THE MIND and the two kinds of "wisdom" as well. Afterall the wisdom from ABOVE is first PURE even as one crown speaks of being PURE gold verses being LIKE gold (of those coming up from BENEATHE).

Just lots of various connections I cant even write them all though I thought it would be fun to do that here.... no one seems into it I guess

Hugs sis :hug:
 
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Wow , that was really good work on the crowns !
I saw were the locusts had no king Pro 30:27The locusts have no king, yet go they forth all of them by bands;

Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, [which is] the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue [is] Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath [his] name Apollyon. Abaddon = "destruction"
1) ruin
2) destruction
3) the place of destruction
4) the name of the angel-prince of the infernal regions, the minister of death and the author of havoc on the earth

Apollyon = "Destroyer"
and in Rev they have a king over them

could this be satan let out of his prison ?Rev 20:2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
seems to be the last battle

and that is over the power of death ?Hbr 2:14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Rom 6:9Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death

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Rev 6:8And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
there is that battle , do you think the locusts/ prideful men are with them the kings of the earth ?

Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

all this is very interesting , but im not able to piece it together either

Thanks for the posts , they are good to think upon

one more thing these are the verses with the Destroyer in them same as Apoyllon right ? that come to devour and consume to ruins

Exd 12:23For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door,

and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite [you]



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Jdg 16:24And when the people saw him, they praised their god:

for they said, Our god hath delivered into our hands our enemy, and the destroyer of our country,

which slew many of us.



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Job 15:21A dreadful sound [is] in his ears: in prosperity the destroyer shall come upon him


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Psa 17:4Concerning the works of men, by the word of thy lips I have kept [me from] the paths of the destroyer


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Pro 28:24Whoso robbeth his father or his mother, and saith,
[It is] no transgression; the same [is] the companion of a destroyer.


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Jer 4:7The lion is come up from his thicket, and the destroyer of the Gentiles is on his way;

he is gone forth from his place to make thy land desolate;

[and] thy cities shall be laid waste, without an inhabitant.

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1Cr 10:10Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured

, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

who was in the earth and than was bound and than come up out of the pit
for this last battle

its something to consider maybe ?

peace C ....
 
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Hey C! I'll look them over thank you sis! Im not sure of anything really I just try to take certain little details and see if I can make sense of them elsewhere in scripture, still cant sit too long to study anything out as I would like and still pretty rusty (to be honest) lol Need to get my feet wet again huh? lol

I have to study the verses you posted but sure C to smite means "strike" or "to hurt" and the locusts were given the power to hurt and it was as a scorpion striketh a man which would be to "sting". I was looking elsewhere on that and theres what is called "the STING OF" death. Not only that but a Kings wrath IS AS messengers OF death, yet the power (given them) is IN their mouths right? In Proverbs it says "the TONGUE (which is in the mouth right? lol) HAS the POWER of DEATH. Two in scripture hold the power of death (as named) its the tongue AND the devil and these appear to connect somehow in the way they are all worded. Its through wrath the land is "darkened" as well as when the locusts cover the land (which even Pharoah calls "this death") All interestingly worded, like a puzzle sorta.

Rev 9:5 to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Here it says this...

Rev 9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails:


1Cr 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

(says "the law" worketh wrath) and here...

Prov 16:14 The wrath of a king is as messengers of death



Heres where their power is...

Rev 9:19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

Proverbs shows what kind of power is in the mouth

Prov 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

Rev 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months

What has torment?

1John 4:18 ... fear hath torment

.... their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

Now here is another picture of scorpions, and yet its their WORDS (the power being in their mouths) speaking to "their words" and not to fear them (or be afraid of their words)


Ezek 2:6 And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns be with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.

If they were given power to HURT men that had not the seal of God that would mean they could FEEL IT wouldnt it? Which makes me think of this verse

Prov 26:28 A lying tongue hateth those that are afflicted by it

Ecc 8:5 Whoso keepeth the commandment shall feel no evil thing

Job 5:21 Thou shalt be hid from the scourge of the tongue: neither shalt thou be afraid of destruction when it cometh.

Still looking at it and collecting more verses, this is sorta fun though isnt it? ^_^



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It is fun to look into these things and love the Word of God and His Spirit that teaches us His Knowledge / Light

when you mentioned the tails that is where the liar or false prohets are in the tail

so the lies cause fear and torment when you believe them , the wisdom of men and the teaching of mens widsom that is earthly sensual and devilish !
Isa 9:15The ancient and honourable, he [is] the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he [is] the tail.

the devils lies is what draws them to the earth and
the opposite when youGod blesses us with spiritual blessings you are in heavenly places IN Christ

Eph 1:3Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us

with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:


the stars had the light of Christ in them but fell to the earth because in tribulation causes great pain

and most has their faith shaken , I am reminded how may times Jesus spoke of faith or the lack of it :(
and how it is impossible to please God without faith or do not expect anything without faith believing from Him
to me that is a hard thing to go though there is lots more on the subject of faith............

back to the tail found this verse very informative too , to be the head is honorable is aboveand in Christ

but the tail is beneath low earthly sensual devilish the liars and haters of the brethren
that speaks volumns doesnt it !


Deu 28:13And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only,

and thou shalt not be beneath;

if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God,

which I command thee this day, to observe and to do [them]:

because the tail / liars false prophets hurt with the head of serpents / tail

Look what Jesus says here about the signs in the heavens and about the stars falling

Mat 24:29Immediately after the tribulation of those days

shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,


and the stars shall fall from heaven,

and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Rev 12:4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven,

and did cast them to the earth:

and the dragon stood before the woman which


was ready to be delivered,

for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
we see the dragon set to devour the holy offspring as soon as it is birthed

the harm/ hurt is in believing the Lie... thes heads are carnal/ beastly minds

Rev 9:19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their

tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.


we Know also the Head of all authority is Christ and the head of every man is Christ


and His church / Body

1Cr 11:3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ;

and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.


Eph 4:15But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things,

which is the head, [even] Christ:


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Eph 5:23For the husband is the head of the wife,


even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.


I do see more connections sis
but cannot frame them right :( peace C ..
 
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some locusts are kosher:
Leviticus 11:22 These of them you may eat: the swarming locust of every kind and the swallowing locust of every kind and the cricket of every kind and the grasshopper of every kind.

I KNOW ^_^ Ever notice That Elizabeth was HID for 5 months the SAME TIME given for the locusts to torment men? It was she who brought forth John the baptist who did ate locusts and honey?

"Thou preparest A TABLE in the presence of mine enemies"? ^_^

I dunno, theres just gotta be a connection here lol
 
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Looking at these verses.... this is so kool

Rev 11:13 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Rev 11:14 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Luke 11:33 No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth it in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light.

John 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Zach 4:11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?


Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Jerm 5:14 Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.


Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Rev 11:13 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Ok heaven and earth to witness (God spake to Abraham out of heaven) and to Moses (out of the earth)

Duet 4:26 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool

John 20:12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.

Duet 4:36 Out of heaven he made thee to hear his voice, that he might instruct thee: and upon earth he shewed thee his great fire; and thou heardest his words out of the midst of the fire.

Jerm 20:3 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD

Again...

.... Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire

Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

looking at this...


James 5:17 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months. And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.

Rev 11:13 And I will give power unto my two witnesses

Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Heres "cloud" of witnesses

Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses

Clouds commanded to withold rain...

Isaiah 5:6.... I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it.

Doctrine as rain

Duet 32:2 My doctrine shall drop as the rain my speech shall distil as the dew

Here again...

1Kngs 17:1 there shall not be dew nor rain these years, but according to my word.

Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD


He commands "the locusts" (in Rev it says, "it was commanded them")

2Ch 7:13 If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.


I need more but you can sorta see how these play off one another, His words are awesome.
 
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Ok, I was thinking, Im wondering if we could even take this spiritually in this manner...

James 5:17 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months. And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.

What if it "rained not" on EARTH being that the NATURAL MAN (earthly) recieveth NOT the things of the SPIRIT of God, I mean thats where the FRUIT comes from, the earthly natural man cannot bear fruit unto God?

I honestly dont know really but I am only wondering here if this is consistent at all with anything that could be proven in scripture. We know His teaching (or his doctrine) comes like the rain his SPEECH as the DEW and it rains NOT on the earth for a time.

Dunno really, stupid to speculate I guess
 
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I KNOW ^_^ Ever notice That Elizabeth was HID for 5 months the SAME TIME given for the locusts to torment men? It was she who brought forth John the baptist who did ate locusts and honey?

"Thou preparest A TABLE in the presence of mine enemies"? ^_^

I dunno, theres just gotta be a connection here lol
Ahhh...that reminds me of a thread I made on that awhile back :) :wave:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7286232/
Why did JTB eat locusts?
 
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Yes Lamb theres a few things on that thread I agree with....

Where are the plagues sent?

Exd 9:14 For I will at this time send all my plagues upon thine heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth.

Exd 9:15 For now I will stretch out my hand, that I may smite thee and thy people with pestilence; and thou shalt be cut off from the earth.

1Kings 8:37 If there be in the land famine, if there be pestilence, blasting, mildew, locust, [or] if there be caterpiller; if their enemy besiege them in the land of their cities; whatsoever plague, whatsoever sickness there be;

Here in...(which hurts)

Rev 9:19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

Not hurt (by which is internalized)

Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them

Here... its the Lord sends the serpents (yet His take them up in the above)

Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.

Nothing shall hurt you ....


Luke 10:19 (((( Behold ))) I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Jerm 8:17 For, ((( behold ))) I will send serpents, cockatrices, among you, which will not be charmed, and they shall bite you, saith the LORD.

Drinking something deadly is mentined by James in regards to "the tongue" as well casting forth both BITTER and SWEET water is what came to mind in the verse of John in revelation posted on your thread Lamb, sweet in ones mouth bitter in ones belly.

Thanks for the link Lamb :thumbsup:
 
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Heres a few that appear to collaborate in the way they are worded

1John 4:18 ... fear hath torment ...

Rev 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, butthat they should be tormented five months


Duet 28:66 And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:

Duet 28:67 In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.

Luke 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth

Rev 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Now Paul says God has not GIVEN them ***AGAIN*** a SPIRIT of FEAR but was it given at FIRST? I mean afterall the fear of the Lord is just the BEGINNING of wisdom not the END all for perfect love CASTS OUT fear.

Isaiah 51:22 Thus saith thy Lord the LORD, and thy God that pleadeth the cause of his people, Behold, I have taken out of thine hand the cup of trembling, [even] the dregs of the cup of my fury; thou shalt no more drink it again:

Heres Paul (cup of trembling as stated above)

1Cr 2:3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.

Notice in Isaiah 51:22 its a cup thats removed, they drank it once and He says, "Thou shall no more drink it AGAIN."

Notice what Paul says

Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage AGAIN to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Now the cup of trembling (in the following verse) is transferred out of the hand of them but into the hand of those that afflicted them...

Isaiah 51:23 But I will put it into the hand of them that afflict thee; which have said to thy soul, Bow down, that we may go over: and thou hast laid thy body as the ground, and as the street, to them that went over.


Pretty kool
 
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What or who are the Locusts and....when do they/did they arrive?


Joel 1:3-4 Tell ye your children of it, and let your children tell their children, and their children another generation. That which the palmerworm hath left hath the locust eaten; and that which the locust hath left hath the cankerworm eaten; and that which the cankerworm hath left hath the caterpiller eaten.

Nahum 3:15-17 There shall the fire devour thee; the sword shall cut thee off, it shall eat thee up like the cankerworm: make thyself many as the cankerworm, make thyself many as the locusts. Thou hast multiplied thy merchants above the stars of heaven: the cankerworm spoileth, and fleeth away. Thy crowned are as the locusts, and thy captains as the great grasshoppers, which camp in the hedges in the cold day, but when the sun ariseth they flee away, and their place is not known where they are.
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Hi whirlwind, I was just browsing over your post for some further clues, and I know its not the same word but the same sorta priciple concerning their word eating as the same....

2Titus 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus

It also uses the same word as the cankerworm "spoileth" let no man spoil YOU through philosphy

I am a WORM and not a man? ^_^ what kind of worm is what I would ask.

Not sure yet whether this applies just thinking.
 
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Hi whirlwind, I was just browsing over your post for some further clues, and I know its not the same word but the same sorta priciple concerning their word eating as the same....

2Titus 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus

It also uses the same word as the cankerworm "spoileth" let no man spoil YOU through philosphy

I am a WORM and not a man? ^_^ what kind of worm is what I would ask.

Not sure yet whether this applies just thinking.


I'm not sure about the "manly worm," either....it sounds like a good study on it's own. A quick look in the Strong's connects it to the "crimson worm," and the color red isn't a good thing....scarlet beast. However, usually worms, as in the cankerworm, are stages of the locust. They work underground (undercover) and destroy from the roots....at a more mature stage they strip us of everything right out in the open....with taxes, interest, etc. We vote them in. :doh:

But, I found your most compelling thought to be the "five months." I too felt there had to be a connection with Elisabeth to the five months in Revelation but didn't know what it was:


Revelation 9:3,5, 10 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. (5) And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. (10) And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
The five months is the time of Satan's great tribulation. The locusts and scorpions have power to hurt with deception....great deception. Those that aren't deceived are those that wear the "gospel armor," God's children. So what is the Elisabeth connection?

Luke 1:24-25 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying, Thus hath the Lord dealt with me in the days wherein He looked on me, to take away my reproach among men.
Elisabeth represents His wife, the church, the woman. When the five months begin the Lord has already "dealt with me," and she/they/we are among those wearing the gospel armor. So she is hidden from the deception of the deceivers.

Psalms 17:8-9 Keep me as the apple of the eye, Hide me under the shadow of Thy wings, From the wicked that oppress me, From my deadly enemies, who compass me about.

27:5 For in the time of trouble He shall hide me in His pavillion: In the secret of His tabernacle shall He hide me; He shall set me up upon a rock.

143:9 Deliver me, O LORD, from mine enemies: I flee unto Thee to hide me.

Revelation 12:6 (666) And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

The church, Elisabeth, is hidden under His wings, on the Rock....on His Word....the "place prepared of God," during the "time of trouble," the "great tribulation," the "five months."
 
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Good Whirlwind :thumbsup: I love it when folks add because their contemplation adds learning to mine. I dont know anything for certain yet but heres a couple other things that MIGHT be connected I gotta look at them and see how they would fit. A few things I noticed was it speaks of despising not the chatisement of the Lord )how that chastisement is "grevious") in the OT it speaks of Chastising with scorpions and it also speaks of chatisement with the "rod of men" (dont know anything yet) but I did notice that when the rods were cast down they became serpents (another lovely part of the description of the locusts). The power is in both the mouth and the tail, whereas it shows Moses putting forth his hand and taking the serpent (rod cast down) by the tail. The tail elsewhere is said to be a "false prophet" the "speaks lies".

It speaks also of being HID from "the scourge of the tongue" (power in their mouths and tails") and "destruction" WHEN it cometh (destruction is the interpreted name of the King of the locusts). Also that a lying tongue hateth them that are afflicted by IT and the Lord transfers the cup of trembling and fear out of the hands of those that "afflict them" (that they serve him without fear) Elizabeth (who brings forth John is shown eating locusts) is HID for the same time period the locusts are given power to hurt men (who are not sealed) which is a period of 5 months.

Now she said something that could be a hint as it pertains to where we could go with this she said,, "He hath taken away my reproach" so I was looking at these to see if they fot at all....

1Kings 11:39 And I will for this afflict the seed of David, but not for ever.

Rev 9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

"STING of DEATH" = Sin = reproach to a people (Prov 13:34)

Luke 1:24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying, Thus hath the Lord dealt with me in the days wherein he looked on me, to take away my reproach among men.


Scourge of the tongue...

Job 5:21 Thou shalt be hid from the scourge of the tongue: neither shalt thou be afraid of destruction when it cometh.


Prov 13:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.

It was Johns declaration who said...

Behold, the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world.

Elizabeth who spake of God dealing with her and here...

Psalm 1:16 Return unto thy rest, O my soul; for the LORD hath dealt bountifully with thee.

Heres the "hurt" again (John also speaks of overcoming a "them")

Psalm 71:13 Let them be confounded and consumed that are adversaries to my soul; let them be covered with reproach and dishonour that seek my hurt.

Luke 1:74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear

1John 4:18.... because fear hath torment

Rev 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

Job 20:16 He shall suck the poison of asps: the viper's tongue shall slay him.

James speaks of "the tongue being deadly poison", Jesus said they would drink any deadly thing and it would not "hurt them" and the power given over all the enemy (even scorpions) whhose power is in their mouths and tails to the same effect.


Romans 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips

Prov 10:18 He that hideth hatred with lying lips


Prov 26:28 A lying tongue hateth those that are afflicted by it



Heb 11:37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented

Fear (trembling) fear hath "torment"...

Isaiah 51:22 Thus saith thy Lord the LORD, and thy God that pleadeth the cause of his people, Behold, I have taken out of thine hand the cup of trembling, even the dregs of the cup of my fury; thou shalt no more drink it AGAIN

Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage AGAIN to fear

Isaiah 51:23 But I will put it into the hand of them that afflict thee; which have said to thy soul, Bow down, that we may go over: and thou hast laid thy body as the ground, and as the street, to them that went over.

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Here again...

Rev 9:7And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

Nah 3:17 Thy crowned are as the locusts, and thy captains as the great grasshoppers, which camp in the hedges in the cold day, but when the sun ariseth they flee away, and their place is not known where they are.

2Cr 7:13 .... or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people;

2Cr 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Prov 16:14 The wrath of a king is as messengers of death

Rev 9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails


Sting of death = sin



Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Tormented = fear hath torment

Rev 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.


Ecc 8:5 Whoso keepeth the commandment shall feel no evil thing

Exodus 9:14 For I will **at this time** send all my plagues upon thine heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth.

Rev 9:6 And **in those days** shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

The Fear hath torment

Duet 28:66 And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life

Duet 28:67 In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.

In contrast to Duet 28:66 (above) where it speaks of having "none assurance" of thy life is this verse

Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.

Which to me speaks to the effect of Christ Paul speaks of, yet he speaks of this effect coming through grace and not the law which ironically (as said before) the law "worketh wrath" and a Kings wrath (we are not appointed to) are AS messengers of death (this death as Pharoah called the locusts covering the land) which is exactly what wrath does, "it darkens the land" theres many similiarities its the ordering these things up appropriately that can be difficult, easy to jump to conclusion and if not careful easy to overlook the smallest of details there to help us divide it correctly. This has been of great interest to me but I still have alot more looking to do.

Im looking at one other section too (I'll post it next post)
 
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Job 20:16 He shall suck the poison of asps: the viper's tongue shall slay him.

James speaks of "the tongue being deadly poison", Jesus said they would drink any deadly thing and it would not "hurt them" and the power given over all the enemy (even scorpions) whhose power is in their mouths and tails to the same effect.
Hi Fire! What a coincidence. I just happened to mention poison and vipers in this other thread :) :hug:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7455576/#post54435114
 
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