"All things are lawful"

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What does he mean with this statement?

Below are the two passages where this stament is found.

Please Note: I am not asking if we should or should not do something or if any particular act is or is not beneficial, but the technical question..."is it lawful?"

To put it another way, does sin any longer have the power to condemn the born again believer?

1 Corinthians 6:11-13

1 Corinthians 10:22-24
 

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What does he mean with this statement?

Below are the two passages where this stament is found.

Please Note: I am not asking if we should or should not do something or if any particular act is or is not beneficial, but the technical question..."is it lawful?"



1 Corinthians 6:11-13

1 Corinthians 10:22-24


Have you ever noticed that in the NIV the statement "all things are lawful for me" is in quotation marks? As if Paul is quoting someone when he says that.

It would make sense - because the whole of 1 Corinthians is Paul responding to things he has heard about and from the church in Corinth.


So... the question is... Does that change how we understand what Paul is saying here? If so, how?


To put it another way, does sin any longer have the power to condemn the born again believer?

This question could be understood several different ways. I'm not exactly sure I understand what you're getting at.
 
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It is always helpful to read this passage in other translations SEE HERE. You will notice, especially in the ESV, NLT, and NIV, that the Apostle is responding to those who are saying, “All things are lawful to me.” He is not saying this himself, but simply repeating what some are saying. Even if things are lawful, even if you are free to do them, some things may be neither expedient nor edifying, beneficial nor constructive, and should be avoided.

~Jim

Mercy triumphs over judgment. ~James 2.13
 
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The NT bases is on the conscience that allows or disallows. But that can be seared. So a reprobate mind is one w/o a governing conscience imo, and the only one who would transgress God's law of the heart. What constitudes lawlessness?
 
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Have you ever noticed that in the NIV the statement "all things are lawful for me" is in quotation marks? As if Paul is quoting someone when he says that.

It would make sense - because the whole of 1 Corinthians is Paul responding to things he has heard about and from the church in Corinth.


So... the question is... Does that change how we understand what Paul is saying here? If so, how?




This question could be understood several different ways. I'm not exactly sure I understand what you're getting at.

It is always helpful to read this passage in other translations SEE HERE. You will notice, especially in the ESV, NLT, and NIV, that the Apostle is responding to those who are saying, “All things are lawful to me.” He is not saying this himself, but simply repeating what some are saying. Even if things are lawful, even if you are free to do them, some things may be neither expedient nor edifying, beneficial nor constructive, and should be avoided.

~Jim


Mercy triumphs over judgment. ~James 2.13


Yes I am well aware of the different translations, but even if you are right that he is quoting someone else, he then turns around and verifies the claim by saying all things are lawful, but not all things are expedient.

If he was going to disagree with it, he would say all things are NOT lawful and all things are not expedient.

So if all things are not lawful, then does that mean we are still under the law?

See what I am getting at?

We are either under the law or we are under grace.

What so many Christians love to say is "we are saved by grace, but..."

That "but" is a fill in the blank way of saying that God's grace only goes so far.

For example the Mormon church believes that we have say 10% or 1% or whatever number you want to give yourself of righteousness that you are responsible for as an individual and that Jesus makes up the difference, but He does not make up the part you are responsible for.

So do we really want to embrace that? A limited grace?
 
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The NT bases is on the conscience that allows or disallows. But that can be seared. So a reprobate mind is one w/o a governing conscience imo, and the only one who would transgress God's law of the heart. What constitudes lawlessness?

So you are suggesting that it is the following of our conscience that saves us?
 
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In 1 Cor 6, the Corinthian's using the slogan "all things are lawful" are trying to use that very slogan to justify their sexually immoral behavior (vss 13-20). Paul is definitely NOT agreeing with their application of the slogan here as he is arguing directly against their application. Obviously for Paul saying "everything is lawful" is not exactly true as indeed he thinks there are things unlawful, and here it's namely sexual immorality.

In 1 Cor 10 some Corinthians (probably the same group) is again using the slogan, this time to justify eating meat sacrificed to idols. One of the problems is that meat bought in an open market in Greece could easily have been meat that had been offered to some Greek deity then put up for sell. If you went to a friends house in Corinth, and this friend wasn't a believer, there was a really good chance that meat served would have been meat that was offered to some Greek deity. So, appearently in a letter sent by the Corinthians to Paul they tell him about a dispute in the Corinthian church about these issues. Can one eat meat sacrificed to an idol? What if you didn't know it was sacrificed to an idol; perhaps you bought it at the marked and were unaware? What if you were at a friends house for dinner and he offered the meat to a Greek deity right before you guys had dinner together or perhaps he offered it to some deity and you didn't know it? One group in the Corinthian church appears to have said a resounding "NO" and they would have none of it. No eating any meat that had been given to an idol, whatsoever! Friends house, open market, or whatever! The other group appears to have picked up a slogan from somewhere (from Paul?) where they said "all things are lawful", which included meat offered to idols. So Paul is trying to settle this dispute.

In vss 14-21 he's emphatically against participating in idol worship, idol sacrifices, and idol feasts as he condsiders this sort of thing to be fellowship with demons. In vss 23-33 he's not against buying meat in an open market or eating with friends they had in Corinth, but if someone tells them the meat had been offered to an idol they were to refrain from eating it, not because the idol deity was more powerful than the God of Israel, or because somthing bad would happen to themselves, but because they should be thinking about the thoughts, behaviors, and conscience of others around them. If the pagan Corinthian (or a believing Corinthian of the more strict group) saw them eating meat that they knew had been sacrificed to a Greek deity, what did that communicate to those eating with them? So, Paul would emplore them to not use those silly slogans and instead think of others first.

In both instances, Paul doesn't agree with their use of this slogan. They may have picked it up from Paul, but they were taking him (or whoever they got if from) 'out of context' and were abusing whatever had actually been said.

This might seem trivial today, but maybe it is still relevant in some way? What do you do if you are eating with friends who are, let's say, Muslim and they ask Allah to bless the meal? Or what if your friends are hindu and they ask a deity to bless the meal? Do you eat it? This might seem trivial, but to the Corinthians back in the day this sort of thing seemed to present a real issue that they had to raise to Paul and get him to settle.

This isn't a question or issue of "law vs. grace" that Paul is trying to settle.
 
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In 1 Cor 6, the Corinthian's using the slogan "all things are lawful" are trying to use that very slogan to justify their sexually immoral behavior (vss 13-20). Paul is definitely NOT agreeing with their application of the slogan here as he is arguing directly against their application. Obviously for Paul saying "everything is lawful" is not exactly true as indeed he thinks there are things unlawful, and here it's namely sexual immorality.

In 1 Cor 10 some Corinthians (probably the same group) is again using the slogan, this time to justify eating meat sacrificed to idols. One of the problems is that meat bought in an open market in Greece could easily have been meat that had been offered to some Greek deity then put up for sell. If you went to a friends house in Corinth, and this friend wasn't a believer, there was a really good chance that meat served would have been meat that was offered to some Greek deity. So, appearently in a letter sent by the Corinthians to Paul they tell him about a dispute in the Corinthian church about these issues. Can one eat meat sacrificed to an idol? What if you didn't know it was sacrificed to an idol; perhaps you bought it at the marked and were unaware? What if you were at a friends house for dinner and he offered the meat to a Greek deity right before you guys had dinner together or perhaps he offered it to some deity and you didn't know it? One group in the Corinthian church appears to have said a resounding "NO" and they would have none of it. No eating any meat that had been given to an idol, whatsoever! Friends house, open market, or whatever! The other group appears to have picked up a slogan from somewhere (from Paul?) where they said "all things are lawful", which included meat offered to idols. So Paul is trying to settle this dispute.

In vss 14-21 he's emphatically against participating in idol worship, idol sacrifices, and idol feasts as he condsiders this sort of thing to be fellowship with demons. In vss 23-33 he's not against buying meat in an open market or eating with friends they had in Corinth, but if someone tells them the meat had been offered to an idol they were to refrain from eating it, not because the idol deity was more powerful than the God of Israel, or because somthing bad would happen to themselves, but because they should be thinking about the thoughts, behaviors, and conscience of others around them. If the pagan Corinthian (or a believing Corinthian of the more strict group) saw them eating meat that they knew had been sacrificed to a Greek deity, what did that communicate to those eating with them? So, Paul would emplore them to not use those silly slogans and instead think of others first.

In both instances, Paul doesn't agree with their use of this slogan. They may have picked it up from Paul, but they were taking him (or whoever they got if from) 'out of context' and were abusing whatever had actually been said.

This might seem trivial today, but maybe it is still relevant in some way? What do you do if you are eating with friends who are, let's say, Muslim and they ask Allah to bless the meal? Or what if your friends are hindu and they ask a deity to bless the meal? Do you eat it? This might seem trivial, but to the Corinthians back in the day this sort of thing seemed to present a real issue that they had to raise to Paul and get him to settle.

This isn't a question or issue of "law vs. grace" that Paul is trying to settle.

I pretty much agree with you except for one part.

I believe that law vs. grace in a general sense has a great bearing (even if it is indirect) on what Paul was saying here.

At the risk of being virtually stoned to death, since Jim brought up different translations, I would like to quote these passages from the Message.

1st Corinthians 6:12-13 (The Message)

12 Just because something is technically legal doesn't mean that it's spiritually appropriate. If I went around doing whatever I thought I could get by with, I'd be a slave to my whims.
13 You know the old saying, "First you eat to live, and then you live to eat"? Well, it may be true that the body is only a temporary thing, but that's no excuse for stuffing your body with food, or indulging it with sex. Since the Master honors you with a body, honor him with your body!

1st Corinthians 10:22-24 (The Message)

Looking at it one way, you could say, "Anything goes. Because of God's immense generosity and grace, we don't have to dissect and scrutinize every action to see if it will pass muster." But the point is not to just get by. We want to live well, but our foremost efforts should be to help others live well.

I think this captures the idea of what Paul was telling them.

Again...while I agree that we should not use grace as a pass to sin (which is pretty much the idea I think Paul was communicating here) we should also understand that God's grace is the over arching supremacy in the situation.
 
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So you are suggesting that it is the following of our conscience that saves us?
That saves us? No. But it's the governing law written in our hearts that seeks to control our actions so that we can discern right from wrong. The conscience condemns, not sin.
 
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Maybe I'm simpllfying it but as I understand it I think Paul is emphasising that we are no longer under the law, we do not need to be keeping all these rules and regulations in order to please God but to just live in whatever way we please is not beneficial to us. It's kind of like when he says that to go on sinning after salvation is taking advantage of God's grace.
 
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Maybe I'm simpllfying it but as I understand it I think Paul is emphasising that we are no longer under the law, we do not need to be keeping all these rules and regulations in order to please God but to just live in whatever way we please is not beneficial to us. It's kind of like when he says that to go on sinning after salvation is taking advantage of God's grace.
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I see it like this, we are saved by grace but not by the law. However are we to do things that are going to make our lives more difficult? How would that profit us? Just because something's unlawful doesn't mean that they are without consequences IN THIS LIFE.
Excellent point! :thumbsup:
 
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Go to biblegateway. com and keyword conscience. There's 27 verses about the meaning in the NT.

I’ve got a better idea, why don’t you take your time and copy and paste them in this thread for us to read? :)

~Jim

He who strikes the first blow admits that he has run out of ideas.
 
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One key element missing in these discussions about works and grace is the concept of death.
If the discussion is to choose between these two choices . Whether to let the old man have his way about whatever he wants or to have the old man keep the law and accomplish righteousness by works. I mean what kind of choice is that ?


Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

If we walk after the Spirit these is no condemnation. If we are still walking after the flesh there is lots of condemnation.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

If we cease from our own works , then where do our good works come from ? It is The Holy Spirit that does the good works through us. It is the works of The holy Spirit that we are supposed to do, not ours. We are supposed to get out of the way and let Him live through us.

Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
 
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I’ve got a better idea, why don’t you take your time and copy and paste them in this thread for us to read? :)

~Jim

He who strikes the first blow admits that he has run out of ideas.

There's actually 30 references to 'conscience' My point is that I don't think God removed the law, more that He replaced the tutuorship of the law with the rule of the conscience. The reasoning behind no condemnation is that the blood of Jesus removes condemnation when it's taken to the thrown of grace in an act of repentance. Revelation of sin first shows itself in the conscience to bring it to light, but knowledge of God is as much needed for discernment as knowledge of Jesus is needed for the Holy Spirit to bring Him to rememberence.


John 8:9
Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
John 8:8-10 (in Context)


Acts 23:1
Then Paul, looking earnestly at the council, said, “Men and brethren, I have lived in all good conscience before God until this day.”
Acts 23:1-3 (in Context)


Acts 24:16
This being so, I myself always strive to have a conscience without offense toward God and men.
Acts 24:15-17 (in Context)


Romans 2:15
who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)
Romans 2:14-16 (in Context)


Romans 9:1
[ Israel’s Rejection of Christ ] I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit,
Romans 9:1-3 (in Context)


Romans 13:5
Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake.
Romans 13:4-6 (in Context)


1 Corinthians 8:1
[ Be Sensitive to Conscience ] Now concerning things offered to idols: We know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies.
1 Corinthians 8:1-3 (in Context)


1 Corinthians 8:7
However, there is not in everyone that knowledge; for some, with consciousness of the idol, until now eat it as a thing offered to an idol; and their conscience, being weak, is defiled.
1 Corinthians 8:6-8 (in Context)


1 Corinthians 8:10
For if anyone sees you who have knowledge eating in an idol’s temple, will not the conscience of him who is weak be emboldened to eat those things offered to idols?
1 Corinthians 8:9-11 (in Context)


1 Corinthians 8:12
But when you thus sin against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ.
1 Corinthians 8:11-13 (in Context)


1 Corinthians 10:25
Eat whatever is sold in the meat market, asking no questions for conscience’ sake;
1 Corinthians 10:24-26 (in Context)


1 Corinthians 10:27
If any of those who do not believe invites you to dinner, and you desire to go, eat whatever is set before you, asking no question for conscience’ sake.
1 Corinthians 10:26-28 (in Context)


1 Corinthians 10:28
But if anyone says to you, “This was offered to idols,” do not eat it for the sake of the one who told you, and for conscience’ sake; for “the earth is the LORD’s, and all its fullness.”
1 Corinthians 10:27-29 (in Context)


1 Corinthians 10:29
“Conscience,” I say, not your own, but that of the other. For why is my liberty judged by another man’s conscience?
1 Corinthians 10:28-30 (in Context)


2 Corinthians 1:12
[ Paul’s Sincerity ] For our boasting is this: the testimony of our conscience that we conducted ourselves in the world in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom but by the grace of God, and more abundantly toward you.
2 Corinthians 1:11-13 (in Context)


2 Corinthians 4:2
But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.
2 Corinthians 4:1-3 (in Context)


2 Corinthians 5:11
Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.
2 Corinthians 5:10-12 (in Context)


1 Timothy 1:5
Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith,
1 Timothy 1:4-6 (in Context)


1 Timothy 1:19
having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck,
1 Timothy 1:18-20 (in Context)


1 Timothy 3:9
holding the mystery of the faith with a pure conscience.
1 Timothy 3:8-10 (in Context)


1 Timothy 4:2
speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,
1 Timothy 4:1-3 (in Context)


2 Timothy 1:3
[ Timothy’s Faith and Heritage ] I thank God, whom I serve with a pure conscience, as my forefathers did, as without ceasing I remember you in my prayers night and day,
2 Timothy 1:2-4 (in Context)


Titus 1:15
To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled.
Titus 1:14-16 (in Context)


Hebrews 9:9
It was symbolic for the present time in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience—
Hebrews 9:8-10 (in Context)


Hebrews 9:14
how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Hebrews 9:13-15 (in Context)


Hebrews 10:22
let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.
Hebrews 10:21-23 (in Context)


Hebrews 13:18
[ Prayer Requested ] Pray for us; for we are confident that we have a good conscience, in all things desiring to live honorably.
Hebrews 13:17-19 (in Context)


1 Peter 2:19
For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
1 Peter 2:18-20 (in Context)


1 Peter 3:16
having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed.
1 Peter 3:15-17 (in Context)


1 Peter 3:21
There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
1 Peter 3:20-22 (in Context)
 
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There's actually 30 references to 'conscience' My point is that I don't think God removed the law, more that He replaced the tutuorship of the law with the rule of the conscience. The reasoning behind no condemnation is that the blood of Jesus removes condemnation when it's taken to the thrown of grace in an act of repentance. Revelation of sin first shows itself in the conscience to bring it to light, but knowledge of God is as much needed for discernment as knowledge of Jesus is needed for the Holy Spirit to bring Him to rememberence.


John 8:9
Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
John 8:8-10 (in Context)


Acts 23:1
Then Paul, looking earnestly at the council, said, “Men and brethren, I have lived in all good conscience before God until this day.”
Acts 23:1-3 (in Context)


Acts 24:16
This being so, I myself always strive to have a conscience without offense toward God and men.
Acts 24:15-17 (in Context)


Romans 2:15
who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)
Romans 2:14-16 (in Context)


Romans 9:1
[ Israel’s Rejection of Christ ] I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit,
Romans 9:1-3 (in Context)


Romans 13:5
Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake.
Romans 13:4-6 (in Context)


1 Corinthians 8:1
[ Be Sensitive to Conscience ] Now concerning things offered to idols: We know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies.
1 Corinthians 8:1-3 (in Context)


1 Corinthians 8:7
However, there is not in everyone that knowledge; for some, with consciousness of the idol, until now eat it as a thing offered to an idol; and their conscience, being weak, is defiled.
1 Corinthians 8:6-8 (in Context)


1 Corinthians 8:10
For if anyone sees you who have knowledge eating in an idol’s temple, will not the conscience of him who is weak be emboldened to eat those things offered to idols?
1 Corinthians 8:9-11 (in Context)


1 Corinthians 8:12
But when you thus sin against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ.
1 Corinthians 8:11-13 (in Context)


1 Corinthians 10:25
Eat whatever is sold in the meat market, asking no questions for conscience’ sake;
1 Corinthians 10:24-26 (in Context)


1 Corinthians 10:27
If any of those who do not believe invites you to dinner, and you desire to go, eat whatever is set before you, asking no question for conscience’ sake.
1 Corinthians 10:26-28 (in Context)


1 Corinthians 10:28
But if anyone says to you, “This was offered to idols,” do not eat it for the sake of the one who told you, and for conscience’ sake; for “the earth is the LORD’s, and all its fullness.”
1 Corinthians 10:27-29 (in Context)


1 Corinthians 10:29
“Conscience,” I say, not your own, but that of the other. For why is my liberty judged by another man’s conscience?
1 Corinthians 10:28-30 (in Context)


2 Corinthians 1:12
[ Paul’s Sincerity ] For our boasting is this: the testimony of our conscience that we conducted ourselves in the world in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom but by the grace of God, and more abundantly toward you.
2 Corinthians 1:11-13 (in Context)


2 Corinthians 4:2
But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.
2 Corinthians 4:1-3 (in Context)


2 Corinthians 5:11
Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.
2 Corinthians 5:10-12 (in Context)


1 Timothy 1:5
Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith,
1 Timothy 1:4-6 (in Context)


1 Timothy 1:19
having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck,
1 Timothy 1:18-20 (in Context)


1 Timothy 3:9
holding the mystery of the faith with a pure conscience.
1 Timothy 3:8-10 (in Context)


1 Timothy 4:2
speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,
1 Timothy 4:1-3 (in Context)


2 Timothy 1:3
[ Timothy’s Faith and Heritage ] I thank God, whom I serve with a pure conscience, as my forefathers did, as without ceasing I remember you in my prayers night and day,
2 Timothy 1:2-4 (in Context)


Titus 1:15
To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled.
Titus 1:14-16 (in Context)


Hebrews 9:9
It was symbolic for the present time in which both gifts and sacrifices are offered which cannot make him who performed the service perfect in regard to the conscience—
Hebrews 9:8-10 (in Context)


Hebrews 9:14
how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Hebrews 9:13-15 (in Context)


Hebrews 10:22
let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.
Hebrews 10:21-23 (in Context)


Hebrews 13:18
[ Prayer Requested ] Pray for us; for we are confident that we have a good conscience, in all things desiring to live honorably.
Hebrews 13:17-19 (in Context)


1 Peter 2:19
For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
1 Peter 2:18-20 (in Context)


1 Peter 3:16
having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed.
1 Peter 3:15-17 (in Context)


1 Peter 3:21
There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
1 Peter 3:20-22 (in Context)

Wow! Thanx. That is helpful and I will reflect on each passage.

~Jim

He who strikes the first blow admits that he has run out of ideas.
 
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I see it like this, we are saved by grace but not by the law. However are we to do things that are going to make our lives more difficult? How would that profit us? Just because something's unlawful doesn't mean that they are without consequences IN THIS LIFE.
the more I read of you the more interesting you become in your understanding. dido's!
 
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