What takes the extra 45 days?

Hi vinsight4u, in 11:15, the seventh angel heralds to John what he is going to see next. He sees the twenty four elders praising God, for the time of his kingdom has come. That process begins with Satan being kicked down and God's judgement in the form of the vials of wrath poured out on the earth during that period of time of the second half, consumating with Jesus's return in Chapter 19. Completing the mystery of God, ending the 70th week.

Earlier, in Revelation 9:1, John sees Satan fall from heaven to earth to open the bottomless pit, but John doesn't know why Satan has fallen down from heaven until he is shown in Chapter 12, it is because there is war in heaven (after the two witnesses have ascended) and Satan is cast down (with the time, times, and half times of the second half left).

Doug L.

vinsight4u said:

Hi Douggg,

You mentioned the Son of man sign being seen as set to happen when Jesus returns in the 6th seal. Ok- my question to you is - Is this the same coming as is shown in Rev. 14 where the earth gets reaped?

If you say, yes - then

How many crowns are on His head?

How many in Rev. 19, when He comes with His armies of saints?

So doesn't that mean the world's armies are not gathering against Him at the time He reaps the earth with the sickle?

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Hi vinsight4u, I don't know the exact number of crowns on Jesus's head, but diadem means more than one as far as I know.

The last verse in Revelation 14 (14:20) would ,imo, be at Jesus's return in Revelation 19.

14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Would "without the city" not match up with Zechariah 14 of all the armies of the nations surrounding Jerusalem when Jesus returns to the Mount of Olives to rescue the Jews there?

So to answer your question to me, imo, it would mean that the armies of the world have gathered against him when Revelation 14:20 takes place.

You mentioned the Son of man sign being seen as set to happen when Jesus returns in the 6th seal. Ok- my question to you is - Is this the same coming as is shown in Rev. 14 where the earth gets reaped?

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The sign is that the world views Jesus and the Throne of God in heaven - 45 days before Jesus leaves heaven, us the saints with him, and comes back to this earth. Revelation 14:20 is the destruction of the armies that have gathered together who try to stop him. They are the ones in Revelation 19:19.

Doug L.

vinsight4u said:

Do you see that Rev. 10 shows us this 7th trumpet starting ends the mystery of God?

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What it says in the kjv is 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

The sounding of the seventh angel heralds the beginning of the Great Tribulation. In the days (of the Great Tribulation), beginning with the sounding of the 7th angel, the mystery of God should be finished... which is all the end times prophecies (given through the prophets)will be completed. Ending with Jesus's return to this earth, and the establishment of the Kingdom of God here on earth.

Why don't you link what happpens at the very end of Rev. 11 to what verse action should show up next?

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I am not sure of what you mean.

When the 7th trumpet heralds what John sees next is the 24 elders worshiping God because the time for His Kingdom to be established here on earth has come. The 24 elders say that the time of God's wrath has come as well. And sees the temple of God open with the ark of his covenant.

Then in chapter 12 is a grand spectacle in Heaven that John sees which relates to the voices that John heard in 11:15 and the 24 elders worshiping God.

Read 11:15 and then 12:10.

Before 11:15 is the two witnesses 1260 days. Before 12:10 is the same 1260 days as the first half of the 7 years. Followed by, in 12:12, the third woe that John was told would come quickly (in other words, he would see it very shortly, which he did in Revelation 12.)

Trumpets 1,2,3,4,5,6 follow one another chronologically. Trumpet 7 does not. It introduces the 2nd half of the 7 years.

Doug L.

vinsight4u said:

Why does Daniel rise at the 1290th day - but there are still people that can get blessed at the 1335th day?

Ever thought about this?


What if Daniel rises at the end of the trumpet time?
Then - 45 days bring the vials of God's wrath?

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reason for What Happens in Rev... 1290 days after the mid TRIB Christ returns

not knowing the time and day ... Matt 25:13 no Sun or moon

45 days wait is for eternal life... when the Jewish people are glorified
connects to Dan 12:2

Ezekiel 39:11-16 is connected to this I believe but do not know how yet

vinsight4u said:

I know you don't believe the vile person is the ac, you see that as was about Antiochus of Epiphanes. I tell you, that he will not fit. Can you name the king that had to not be found ahead of him that had just ended a war out west?

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Hi vinsight4u,

I am not a historian. So it would take some research on my part, which to me would be a waste of effort because the profile of the Antichrist is that he would not be intimidated by the warships from Chittim. The Antichrist, if he were to be opposed by warships, the Antichrist would not run the other way. He would smash them.

Daniel 11:30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

Verse 11:35 is the transition verse from the time of the Maccabees to the end times. Verse 11:36 begins the portion of Daniel 11 concerning the Antichrist. imo.


Doug L.

vinsight4u said:

Take a close look, because the 24 elders are noted as the ones that sat.

Do you see that the two witnesses gained eternal life when they rose?

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I don't understand the point you are making, but the 24 elders in Revelation 5:14 worship Jesus because he is the only one worthy to unseal the scroll that the mystery of God be completed. In addition to John, the 24 elders did not know the events of what was in the scroll either until after it was opened. So in Revelation 12:10-12, the 24 elders are among those in heaven rejoicing when they see Satan kicked down.

Concerning the issue of the two witnesses - as they are raised, do their bodies transform into the glorified eternal bodies? Since it doesn't say either way in the text, imo, probably so.


Doug L.