Shouldn't The Bible Be Sufficient Enough For Knowledge Of God?

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Scripture...

...cannot hear your confession.
...cannot baptise you.
...cannot offer you communion.

...cannot stand alone.

It leaves the christian starved.


Forgive me...
 
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Scripture...

...cannot hear your confession.
But it points you to the one who can

...cannot baptise you.
But it teaches you how

...cannot offer you communion.
But it teaches you what it is and it's significance

...cannot stand alone.
Because it is the word of God, it's never alone, but accompanied by the power of God.

It leaves the christian starved.
when it is robbed of it's essence by men who try to mingle tradition with it like it needs subsidizing
 
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God cannot hear your confession?

Nehemiah 9:2
And the seed of Israel separated themselves from all strangers, and stood and confessed their sins, and the iniquities of their fathers.

God cannot baptise?

Matthew 3:11
I indeedbaptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Acts 11:15
And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.


God cannot Commune with us?

Rev. 3:
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

God cannot stand alone?

Deuteronomy 32:12
So the LORD alone did lead him, and there was no strange god with him.

Dividing WORDS of God from God is simply not GOOD advice or methodology.

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From another thread.

Scripture...

...cannot hear your confession.
...cannot baptise you.
...cannot offer you communion.

...cannot stand alone.

It leaves the christian starved.

Forgive me...
Not if one is in a church where the Scriptures are read and preached and thus "heard"......

Amos 8:11 Behold! days are coming declaration of my Lord YHWH and I send a famine in land, not a famine for bread, and not a thirst for waters, but rather for to hear of the words of YHWH

Reve 18:8 by this, in one day shall be arriving the blows of Her, death and sorrow and famine.
And in fire She shall be being burned, that strong Lord, the God, the one judging Her
[Luke 19:41,44/Reve 19:3]
 
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Dear JamesAH,

Why reject any part of what God has revealed to us about Himself?

Hold it hold it back the truck up where in my post did I say I reject anything from God?

I started this topic because I see people ask questions like "what was God doing before the Creation" and stuff like that.

I'm not saying asking questions is wrong but people are asking the wrong person. To ask a man about God that isn't revealed in Scripture is asking the wrong person. Is it wrong to ask questions that aren't revealed in the Word? and is it wrong to speculate?

I thought this would be a good discussion and so far it's been good. It's gotten to 5 pages with a lot of good opinions
 
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2 Chronicles 20:6
And said, O LORD God of our fathers, art not thou God in heaven? and rulest not thou over all the kingdoms of the heathen? and in thine hand is there not power and might, so that none is able to withstand thee?

2 Chronicles 25:9
And Amaziah said to the man of God, But what shall we do for the hundred talents which I have given to the army of Israel? And the man of God answered, The LORD is able to give thee much more than this.

Daniel 3:17
If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.


John 10:29
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.


Acts 20:32
And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.


Romans 14:4
Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

2 Corinthians 9:8
And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work

Ephesians 3:20
Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,

Philippians 3:21
Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

2 Timothy 1:12
For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

Hebrews 2:18
For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Hebrews 7:25
Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

James 1:21
Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

James 4:12
There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Jude 1:24
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

ENJOY!

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From another thread.

Scripture...

...cannot hear your confession.
...cannot baptise you.
...cannot offer you communion.

...cannot stand alone.

It leaves the christian starved.


Forgive me...
We need a community - that's not in serious question and scripture itself makes it quite clear.

The question is whether that community has to bring extra divinely revealed information above and beyond scripture that it has supposedly preserved by some other means.
 
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From another thread.

Scripture...

...cannot hear your confession.
...cannot baptise you.
...cannot offer you communion.

...cannot stand alone.

It leaves the christian starved.

Truly spoken like the institutionalized Church - the 'we know what's good for you and don't forget it' theology of those who feel they bereft of anything unless they can lord it over someone. A poor excuse for Christianity.

For give me
 
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I'm sorry Michael. I am not entirely clear about your question here concerning this particular passage.
He says to study to show ourselves approved unto GOD, not to men. So seeking praise from people isn't our motive or even desire is it?
As far as being considered an heretic to men, once one "knows" God's ways,
heh, who cares what other's think of your beliefs?
Naturally we care how we 'conduct' ourselves and display fruit etc.
But we cannot always please both God AND men... gotta just choose God
(I hope I understood your post, if not, sorry bout that)

But that makes no sense . I have no need to prove anything to God .

He already knows my heart .
 
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Shouldn't the Bible be enough for us to know God? Why do humans continue to seek more answers? I realize that knowledge is a forbearer of human desire but if God wanted us to know more than the Word says about him wouldn't he have written more?

Do you think there are some answers that need not to be known either because we don't need to know or God wants us to know later after all of this is said and done?

Opinions!!!!!
We have a tongue in cheek kinda turn of phrase... "Fat bloke down the pub told me so it must be true"
Can you se where this is going....
 
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quote=JamesAH; Shouldn't the Bible be enough for us to know God?
It says it (& The Holy Spirit, of course) are enough.
Why do humans continue to seek more answers?
Curious lot.
I realize that knowledge is a forbearer of human desire but if God wanted us to know more than the Word says about him wouldn't he have written more?
Yes, and He did. No, I'm not talking about tradition or even the literal meaning of "written". I'm talkin' 'bout Psalm 19, that's all.


Do you think there are some answers that need not to be known either because we don't need to know or God wants us to know later after all of this is said and done?
I tend to sort these things & prioritize them according to plausibly expected practical results.

Opinions!!!!!
There ya have it.:cool:
 
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"O taste and see that the Lord is good."

Forgive me...

I have to admit, as much as I'm adamant in the support for RP, the first time I heard this little ditty in an Orthodox church I had to stifle back a giggle. I kept getting mental images of Jesus as a slice of cherry pie or something.

That said, I'm going to steal your well known sig line....

Forgive me...
 
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I want to know Him - not simply know *about* Him .

*He* is enough - the "bible" alone is nothing .

I'd think twice before calling divine revelation "nothing." More to the point, however, you would not know Jesus, who he is, or what he expects of us if there were no Bible. To speak as though you can have the one without the other doesn't hold up.
 
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Attributing the miraculously transformative importance to the miraculous transformative meaning instead of the artifacts resolves all contradictions literalization of the eucharist presents.
That is exactly right.
 
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Originally Posted by Rick Otto Attributing the miraculously transformative importance to the miraculous transformative meaning instead of the artifacts resolves all contradictions literalization of the eucharist presents.
That is exactly right.

Is that in the Catechism? :D :p
 
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