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Hey John, I'm sorry you are going through this. I struggle with Hebrews and constantly think I have done what you have mentioned. Thoughts come and go and feelings do as well. If you had truly meant what you thought you wouldn't be here writing about it. I can't give much advice since this is an area I struggle with as well, hence the hair pulling. I don't believe rejection and unbelief happen in a moment of weakness I think it happens over a period of time and the person who does this doesn't even try to fight it. That's just my opinion though. I pray that God gives you peace about this.

I had this kind of OCD when I was little. I would get to the point that I would make myself throw up because I would get so nervous that I had blasphemized God. I had some really disturbing thoughts sometimes and like you I would reason with myself wondering if these ideas were really mind or if they weren't. This is VERY typical with OCD. In fact, this is one of the main types of it I believe.

I think it was Paul (or maybe Peter) who said "I'm conviced that nothing can seperate us from God's love." The Bible also tells us to "put away reasoning". Remember that God said "I am not the author of confusion but of peace." So if you truly believed something horrible you would have peace about that thought. A true unwavering peace. You would not be confused at all even if the confusion came and went - it would still not be complete peace.

The Bible also tells us that "The devil is a liar."

I hope this helps some.

Don't be consumed by guilt. We do not know all things but that's a part of faith is not seeing the whole picture but still taking steps. You asked Christ to forgive you then He did. Don't be consumed by guilt. Just trust in the Lord and you will be okay. He didn't die in vain, because there are still many who believe and who are being saved. Trust in Him with all you have. I'm praying!

as i have studied more and more, i have finally come to the realization that our God is so much bigger than we realize...
He knows everything, and knows we have doubts and fears and questions galore... HE made us after all
and i dont believe for one second that our Lord will keep us out of heaven on a technicality... or for questioning...
if we are to come to Him as lil children, then we will always be full of questions and doubts...

sometimes when i am questioning something i simply say "Lord i dont understand it all and im sorry for doubting things... i give it to You and am beliveing in YOU... NO MATTER what i am feeling at the moment...

Try to remember alll your feelings of guilt and doubt and questions and periods of unbelief, He already knew was coming and He took care of it all the day He said "IT IS FINISHED"


remember ocd will never let you have assurance... you MUST just learn to live without complete assurance and trust in God to do the right thing with you...He loves you and He isnt going to toss you away ...

pj

AMEN! We serve an amazing God.

Our feelings are faulty but His Word is stable and true!

PJ: such an appropriate post. The desire for CONTROL (even though most of us know that for humankind it is a total illusion) can be a hard habit to break. I still feel the need for assurance and guarantee even though I know if it is given by anyone but God it is worthless because he is the only True Spirit. Pray for all of us on the journey towards true peace.

Keep up the faith!

Also, the Holy Ghost prays the prayers for us that we forget.......God is Great.

sometimes we just simply want to hear God's audible voice and for Him to tell us "you're saved" and "it's not your fault" and "I love you" but He speaks to us within His word. If His word says He is just He is just. If it says He is loving and sees us as precious in His sight then we are precious in His sight. If His word says all that believe on the son shall be saved then all who believe on the son shall be saved. I used to have a misunderstanding about God and think after I recieve a blessing "I dont want God to take it away because I'm having bad thoughts about Him" That's not my God. He wakes me up everyday and shows me He loves me by blessing me with so much and He's not unjust. He knows we struggle with certain things and He wants to help us get over these things. We just have to have patience and not expect things to go away over night. And while we are waiting on Him we continue to praise and pray and believe and keep our mind on the victory and show Him that we're trying despite it all. We have to believe that He is who He says He is in the 16th chapter of Exodus.

Exodus 34: 6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth
7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and the fourth generation And are not the Father and the Son one? Jesus tells us is the 10th chapter of John

John 10: 10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

We can find so much out about our Lord by looking at His actions. He doesn't change. He had compassion on the blind, the sick, and others whose problems was keeping them from living the life that they were called to live. Will He not have compassion on you. We want to do good we dont want these thoughts and He knows this. Read the Word and see how much love is bound within the pages. God is love!

.."but I'm terrified I crossed the line into rejection and unbelief in the value of the Son of God's sacrifice for me"

Blessings and much peace to you !

Take heart John and remember that He has authority to really forgive sins, and chooses to forget as only God can. He is God Almighty. Forgiveness and healing comes from Him..as ALL good gift there is comes from the Father of Light, our God.

Practicing human forgiveness is very complicated, not simple, many struggle with it. We must ask the Lord to help us to do it, and keep doing it, everytime the unforgiveness arises, we keep forgiving.

The great thing is that what He say is what matters, and He is a loving Father, He does know our struggles and He gave us many assurances knowning our many insecurities would arise in aflictions and tribulations of life..commom to all living around the globe. Than when I feel insecure as a little lost child in this huge world..I remember the picture of the hand of God and I am there safe, because no one can take me from there..there is no one who will grab us from Him. His eyes are on us all the time...we are never away of His presence. He is very compassionate and know we are sick, our minds and thought process messed up ...He is not going to ask us to reason with Him, give us low grades and keep our bad scores etc..

When He saved us He knew us fully and trully, past, present and future sins and accepted us in Him anyways. It is all paid in full and covered by His blood. We are trully His, yes we are.

Blessings

Mark 2:9-12
“Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven’; or to say, ‘Get up, and pick up your pallet and walk’? “But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—He said to the paralytic, “I say to you, get up, pick up your pallet and go home.” And he got up and immediately picked up the pallet and went out in the sight of everyone, so that they were all amazed and were glorifying God, saying, “We have never seen anything like this.” And He went out again by the seashore; and all the people were coming to Him, and He was teaching them.

Amen lighthouse,

You truly spoke some encouraging words. Our God is merciful and accepts us even though we are not perfect. =] I will praise Him forever. He is so loving and understanding and even though we dont have all answers, He wants us to find peace in knowing that He created us and He knows what lies ahead to calm our way. If it's in His hands then it will be alright. For there is nothing to hard for Him.

hey can you explain the scripture. I kind of get it but a part of me doesnt. I was thinking like it's easier to say you are forgiven and to since that part is easier, then Christ wanted to show the harder part which is telling a cripped man to get up and walk so that they might believe that if He can do that, then He has the power to forgive sins? Thanks.

Hi ShelovesChrist,
Hope it's OK that I jump in here and talk about the scripture you mentioned.
When Christ spoke of "forgiving sins" in this passage He was making it plain to everyone that He was/is God. This is because no one but God can truly forgive sins in the sense of wiping them away and making us fit for heaven. I may be able to forgive someone for hurting me but I have no power to forgive their sins in order to save them from hell. This type of healing is supernatural and can only be accomplished by the atonement of God The Son therefore it is impossible for men and only possible with God.

I also wanted to say that I just love that you said "I will praise Him forever"... even in the midst of your OCD. That's faith with shoes on.
Job said..."Though He slay me - yet will I trust Him". That's the place where we often stand with our OCD. Yet we will praise Him because He is so worthy of all praise."
Thank you for your continued love, compassion,empathy and encouragement on this forum... I'm thankful to God for your presence here.
Mitzi


hey can you explain the scripture. I kind of get it but a part of me doesnt. I was thinking like it's easier to say you are forgiven and to since that part is easier, then Christ wanted to show the harder part which is telling a cripped man to get up and walk so that they might believe that if He can do that, then He has the power to forgive sins? Thanks.[/quote]

Mitzi,

thanks so much for explaining. So He was showing the crowd that no man can forgive sins--but only this is possible through God. And through the healing of the man they were able to witness this forgiveness right? I don't mind at all. I'm always thirsting for knowledge. The more I find out about the Lord and His compassion the more I fall in love with Him and trust Him because if He can have all that compassion on the sick and crippled and tormented, He can and will have the same for me.

I also appreciate the love and encouragement from you, and others, as well. It just feels good that we are able to uplift each other in spite of all that's going on. There are days where I'm strong and day where I feel weak but I still have to encourage others to keep going because God has something waiting for us when this is all over and He is so merciful for keeping us in the midst of this. You guys truly keep me lifted up because we're not alone and we can do all things through Christ, which strengthens us!

I pray for this forum and suffers daily =] Thanks also for all of you guys prayers. We all need it.

John B i have had similar thoughts to. and i often feel the same way its scary and i feel like how could i have thought that thought i feel so worried and i dont want to be rejected by God either by thinking thoise thoughts sometimes i wonder why i feel unbelief and why i doubt all the time and why i think those thoughtss! i just want to get out of this hard time and i dont want to be bitter at all. im wondering if this is OCD thoughts or an attack? not sure but i still keep praying and reading the BIBLE and i try to yell at thoughts when they come

Hi John - you doing better, friend? Glad you're here and talking about what's going on. As others have said, the fact that you're here talking about it reflects your desire for resolution and your love for God is alive. In my early 20's, I went through that - I was having, like, cursing thoughts at God and just feeling so distant from Him. I thought, whoa, maybe God has left me? Did he abandon me? But He has you inscribed in His Hand! You are in His grasp, and He will never let go of you. This OCD has definitely been a ringer for me, and for you and countless others. I wonder sometimes why God allows it to happen to us.
Today in Sunday school we were studying Acts 16. Paul and Silas were arrested and jailed. Well, why didn't Paul speak up and say, I'm a Roman citizen and you cannot do this to me! Maybe God had other plans to use this event for His glory - and sure enough, the Roman jailer and his family became believers! During the time in jail, Paul and Silas sang to God and were praising Him, after being beaten and scourged, chained up in a dark cell in unbelievable pain. I asked myself - can I praise God in the midst of my OCD? In my own private darkness, can I cry out to Him and know He is still in control?
Hey, remember that song by Casting Crowns, "Praise You in This Storm"? That song was a theme throughout my divorce five years ago. Maybe we can all apply that to our lives as we deal with this, too. As I look back and see that OCD has been part of my life for many years, it brings tears to my eyes, that the pain from OCD was also surfacing at the same time I was in a deep depression due to other family issues. But God never left me during those moments. I have done some stupid stuff in my life, and it hasn't turned out the way I would like. But He can use any bad circumstance and turn it around. Keep trusting that He is going to turn this around, John. He hasn't given up on you. He has His arms open wide to receive you. (((())))

John B Jr. said:

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for some reason I fell into some weird unbelief about the cross being necessary....and in that moment I was thinking to myself that His sacrifice was truly worthless....the unbelief lasted for about 15 minutes and that horrible thought, which was not your typical compulsive OCD thought, lasted only for a moment but it felt life my heart was truly in it and I'm scared I've trampled the blood of Christ underfoot like in the book of Hebrews. for an hour afterward I felt really apologetic and had slight comfort in that I still wanted Him and hated that thought, but then I felt cold and apathetic followed by feeling hateful and vindictive toward Christ and that scared me. I've simmered down from the anger and still feel a tiny mustard seed toward Jesus, but I'm terrified I crossed the line into rejection and unbelief in the value of the Son of God's sacrifice for me

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Hi John,

The bible says the natural mind is at enmity with God.

However it cannot seperate us from the love of God.

Your heart does not believe those thoughts, that is why you are scared about them, because they do not express the real you.


Jesus says he that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.


No thoughts or fears or feelings will ever cause the scripture to be broken.


Jesus Word will not pass away.


Whoever comes to Jesus will never be cast out.

We can freely come to Jesus and trust in Him.


We are in His hands.

That is great that you are getting treatment John, I hope you feel better soon.
There is no shame in taking medication, and I hope the counsellor is able to help and encourage you much as well.

blessings

jpcedotal said:

Also, the Holy Ghost prays the prayers for us that we forget.......God is Great.

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That's why I love having the HS in me. Always taking care of the technicalities.