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Quick question on the gospels. When Jesus makes the numerous promises to the disciples, is he speaking to them only? All of the statements concerning prayer and faith...are these directed at them exclusively? You know, faith of a mustard seed; moving mountains; believe you have received what you pray for, and it will be yours; I will do whatever you ask in my name, you may ask for me anything in my name, and I will do it, and so on. A lot of folks like to recall these verses to prove that we have amazing power in Christ, but can we adopt these promises for ourselves?

I guess I'm asking, how do we know when something said to the disciples applies to us as well?
 

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true, buy you know what i'm saying. for instance, he gave the 12 power to heal. we can not do this.
No, we can't.

But Jesus can!!! :clap:

so how do we know what does/does not apply to us?
If we are walking in faith the promises of God our ours in Christ, because they're His. :)

2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.
 
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You are a disciple of Christ Jesus' if you give up what this world has to offer and recieved the Holy Spirit to follow HIM. These are the words of our Lord and Savior, as your faith becomes greater through disciplin to HIS WORD you will believe all that HE says and be able to do many things.

Mark 15-18 "Go into all the world and preach the good news in all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new toungues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all, they will place their hands on the sick people, and they will get well."
 
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Quick question on the gospels. When Jesus makes the numerous promises to the disciples, is he speaking to them only? All of the statements concerning prayer and faith...are these directed at them exclusively? You know, faith of a mustard seed; moving mountains; believe you have received what you pray for, and it will be yours; I will do whatever you ask in my name, you may ask for me anything in my name, and I will do it, and so on. A lot of folks like to recall these verses to prove that we have amazing power in Christ, but can we adopt these promises for ourselves?

I guess I'm asking, how do we know when something said to the disciples applies to us as well?
The Bible is not a history book. The Holy Spirit had man put the writings that Gods wanted his written Word to convey to man. Every Word is speaking to us. Now only through the Holy Spirit can man know what it is saying to us individually.

With out God explaining and teaching the written Word there is confusion: Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, and all the rest of man’s religions and man’s understanding of God’s Word.
 
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The Bible is not a history book.

What are your opinions on the sections that are almost entirely historical? I'm not trying to be combative. Just a conversational piece.

I would say that the Bible is an everything book. It is History, for both Jews and Christians alike. It is useful in Geography, Sociology, and several other fields. It is also the personal Word of God. But to say that it is not a History book can be misleading, don't you think?
 
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Quick question on the gospels. When Jesus makes the numerous promises to the disciples, is he speaking to them only? All of the statements concerning prayer and faith...are these directed at them exclusively? You know, faith of a mustard seed; moving mountains; believe you have received what you pray for, and it will be yours; I will do whatever you ask in my name, you may ask for me anything in my name, and I will do it, and so on. A lot of folks like to recall these verses to prove that we have amazing power in Christ, but can we adopt these promises for ourselves?

I guess I'm asking, how do we know when something said to the disciples applies to us as well?


Everything given to the disciples is not also meant for the saints. The reason I said that is because the disciples were on another level given to them by Jesus (God).
Healing- can everyone heal? No.


Everyone can preach a passage from a bible but, you will not see the word manifest and benefit unless the person is annointed by God.

What most people don't understand is that - The chosen is guided by the Holy Ghost as to what to say. And that's why that word does not come back void. Because it's not the persons word it's God's word and only God knows what the people really need to hear and be directed on.

I believe all have the Spirit of God who helps and guides you on an individual basis.

Then you must exercise the word and apply it. So that you can see how powerful your Lord is in you. Stay Blessed!

All The Glory BElongs To God Forever!
 
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John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

1 Cor 5:15
But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
 
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Those who take up their cross and follow Jesus ARE his disciples. :)

Mark 8:34
And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.


:thumbsup: They/we are His firstfruits, His saints, His man child, His witnesses, His mount Zion....the 144,000 virgins [Revelation 14:4]
 
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Everything given to the disciples is not also meant for the saints. The reason I said that is because the disciples were on another level given to them by Jesus (God).
Healing- can everyone heal? No.

Where did you ever get a teaching like you just posted? The disciples received the same Holy Spirit everyone else received. The Apostles received the gift of apostles.
(1 Corinthians 12:27-30) “Now you together are Christ’s body; but each of you is a different part of it. In the Church, God has given the first place to apostles, the second to prophets, the third to teachers; after them, miracles, and after them the gift of healing; helpers, good leaders, those with many languages. Are all of them apostles, or all of them prophets, or all of them teachers? Do all speak strange languages, and all interpret them?”
Everyone can preach a passage from a bible but, you will not see the word manifest and benefit unless the person is annointed by God.

What most people don't understand is that - The chosen is guided by the Holy Ghost as to what to say. And that's why that word does not come back void. Because it's not the persons word it's God's word and only God knows what the people really need to hear and be directed on.

I believe all have the Spirit of God who helps and guides you on an individual basis.

Then you must exercise the word and apply it. So that you can see how powerful your Lord is in you. Stay Blessed!

All The Glory BElongs To God Forever!

All Christians are disciples.
 
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What are your opinions on the sections that are almost entirely historical? I'm not trying to be combative. Just a conversational piece.

I would say that the Bible is an everything book. It is History, for both Jews and Christians alike. It is useful in Geography, Sociology, and several other fields. It is also the personal Word of God. But to say that it is not a History book can be misleading, don't you think?

The Bible is the Written Word of God. We are given the Written Word by the Holy Spirit. God can and does use the Written Word to teach.

The Bible is not a history book! There may or may not be some accurate history recorded, but, in my opinion, it is just a by-product.

Also the bible can’t teach anyone about God. Only God can teach us about God. The Written Word is best used to confirm what one is being taught.
 
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JEsus spoke to everyone when he told everything except the instructions to go forth and cast out demons and heal people. that he speaks to people to this day, but only some people, those ready willing and able for such things.

...and who say's we can't heal people? anyone on this forum could heal somebody with enough faith and having been granted the gift to them by God, but he typically grants it to those who ask for it or those who assume they can do it and are pure hearted.
 
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:thumbsup: His mount Zion....the 144,000 virgins [Revelation 14:4]


We are not HIS mount Zion, we may exist on HIS mount Zion in the future but we are not HIS mount Zion.

As far as the 144,000. Compared to the amount of people who put their trust in Christ Jesus, this number is very few.

Revelations 14:3-5 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. The were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. No lie was found in their mouths, they are blameless.

In order to be of these you would have to never have been married or had sexual relations nor would you have never lied. Also you would have to be Jew. See Revelations 7 where it breaks down that the 144,000 pertain to 12,000 each from the 12 tribes of Isreal.
 
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We are not HIS mount Zion, we may exist on HIS mount Zion in the future but we are not HIS mount Zion.

As far as the 144,000. Compared to the amount of people who put their trust in Christ Jesus, this number is very few.

Revelations 14:3-5 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. The were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. No lie was found in their mouths, they are blameless.

In order to be of these you would have to never have been married or had sexual relations nor would you have never lied. Also you would have to be Jew. See Revelations 7 where it breaks down that the 144,000 pertain to 12,000 each from the 12 tribes of Isreal.
IF you take a literal interpretation of a Spiritual passage. :wave:
 
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IF you take a literal interpretation of a Spiritual passage. :wave:

Show me scripturally where GOD is not literal. When it was prophesied by Joseph that the Lord would free HIS people in Egypt, did not GOD make it literally happen? When it was prophesied about that the Isrealites would stumble and turn from GOD, did it not literally happen? When it was prophesied that GOD would send Jesus, did it not literally happen? GOD is Spirit, but we are human/spirit and the prophecies fortold all came about by literal events, why should I assume that this will not be the case with the end events as well?
 
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We are not HIS mount Zion, we may exist on HIS mount Zion in the future but we are not HIS mount Zion.

As far as the 144,000. Compared to the amount of people who put their trust in Christ Jesus, this number is very few.

Revelations 14:3-5 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. The were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. No lie was found in their mouths, they are blameless.

In order to be of these you would have to never have been married or had sexual relations nor would you have never lied. Also you would have to be Jew. See Revelations 7 where it breaks down that the 144,000 pertain to 12,000 each from the 12 tribes of Isreal.

It is spiritual. The virgins are spiritual virgins....male and female, married and unmarried, young and old. There are two groups of the 144,000. One of the groups are the tribes but only two of those are considered Jews. The others are Christians.

Mt. Zion is also spiritual. The literal served as an example of the spiritual.
 
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Show me scripturally where GOD is not literal. When it was prophesied by Joseph that the Lord would free HIS people in Egypt, did not GOD make it literally happen? When it was prophesied about that the Isrealites would stumble and turn from GOD, did it not literally happen? When it was prophesied that GOD would send Jesus, did it not literally happen? GOD is Spirit, but we are human/spirit and the prophecies fortold all came about by literal events, why should I assume that this will not be the case with the end events as well?


1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.




 
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It is spiritual. The virgins are spiritual virgins....male and female, married and unmarried, young and old. There are two groups of the 144,000. One of the groups are the tribes but only two of those are considered Jews. The others are Christians.

Mt. Zion is also spiritual. The literal served as an example of the spiritual.

Revelations 7:4-8 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel. From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000, from the tribe of Asher 12,000, from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000, from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, from the tribe of Issachar 12,000, from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000, from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

This is us Christians:

Revelations 7:9 After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

If Zion is spiritual tell me what of this?:

Ezekiel 40:2 In visions of God he took me to the land of Israel and set me on a very high mountain, on whose south side were some buildings that looked like a city.

Ezekiel 43:6 While the man was standing beside me. I heard someone speaking to me from inside the temple. He said: 'Son of man, this is the place of my throne and the place for the soles of my feet. This is where I will live among the Isrealites forever ...

The Holy Spirit has not brought me to understand anything other than the literal meaning of scripture. I suppose to those of you with more insight, I am without the Spirit?
 
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1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.





hmm well all this means to me is that we should not test the Lord, and should be carefull that we do not fall. Because, if we do not heed what happened to others by doing so we will fall.

1 Corinthians 10:6 Now these things occured as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did.
 
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