Wise?

ashout said:

what is wisdom?

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The Holy Spirit of Jesus is wisdom.

Job 6:13
Is not my help in me? and is wisdom driven quite from me?

Psalm 51:6
Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.

Proverbs 8:11
For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.

1 Corinthians 1:24
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Luke 21:15
For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

Proverbs 4:7-13
Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding. Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour, when thou dost embrace her. She shall give to thine head an ornament of grace: a crown of glory shall she deliver to thee.
Hear, O my son, and receive my sayings; and the years of thy life shall be many. I have taught thee in the way of wisdom; I have led thee in right paths. When thou goest, thy steps shall not be straitened; and when thou runnest, thou shalt not stumble. Take fast hold of instruction; let her not go: keep her; for she is thy life.

1 Cor 3:10a
According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation..

1 Cor 3:11
For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

ashout said:

what is wisdom?

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Different than "who" is wisdom .

What ..

James 3

13Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. 14But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. 15Such "wisdom" does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. 16For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.

17But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. 18Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness.



Bless .

Most do not understand that there is the wisdom of man and the wisdom of GOD. If you continually seek HIS wisdom and guidance you will understand that it is only HIS wisdom that matters.

Soloman was a great man with much wisdom read Proverbs chapters 1-4 with your heart.

We are told in James3:13-18 how to discern between wisdom of man and wisdom from GOD.


13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom.

This good life James speaks of is not an abundance of possessions because that does not show us how to do deeds with humility, deeds with humility are deeds done not thinking of yourself as smarter/wiser/better than others.

14-15 But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. Such 'wisdom' does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. For where we have envy and selfish ambition, there you will find disorder and every evil practice.

We see that which is earthly and unspiritual comes from our own hearts which can be deceptive. We learn that such self knowledge is nothing and will come to no good.

17 But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure, then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.

Here we find the qaulities of our GOD, qaulities in which we gain as we come to understand HIm. These are the qaulities in which we must come to know and rely on and that which we can see in others and they can see in us (by behavior) to know whether we/they have the spirit of truth (Jesus) within.

HIS wisdom is what guides us on the right path to LIFE.

Well wisdom of man would be more neutral (though still falling short of God's glory) but what James was contrasting was the wisdom of God and the wisdom of the devil . don't mean to nitpick . but i think it is an important distinction .

Proverbs 1-4 are the beginning disciplines . the love emphasis message i constantly knatter on about comes from a background quite similar to what these scriptures say . there are differing degrees of truth in the bible . and when you graduate . or that word becomes flesh in you . then you move on to what your renewed perspective is satiated by spiritually .

Jesus himself has pointed out the deception of our own hearts.

Mark 7:20-21 He went on: "What comes out of man is what makes him unclean. For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man unclean.

NatalieJan777 said:

Jesus himself has pointed out the deception of our own hearts.

Mark 7:20-21 He went on: "What comes out of man is what makes him unclean. For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man unclean.

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How does this relate to wisdom?

Michael Collum said:

Well wisdom of man would be more neutral (though still falling short of God's glory) but what James was contrasting was the wisdom of God and the wisdom of the devil . don't mean to nitpick . but i think it is an important distinction .

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Wisdom of a man is not neutral, man's wisdom comes from his own heart. The last post I made was in reference to this, therefore that is what it has to do with wisdom.

NatalieJan777 said:

Wisdom of a man is not neutral, man's wisdom comes from his own heart. The last post I made was in reference to this, therefore that is what it has to do with wisdom.

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Yes . exactly .

Man's wisdom comes from the sins that are in his heart

but when it is the devil speaking it gets a bit uglier was what i was saying .

thank you for clarifying .

Good, because I was next going to say when GOD created the garden of Eden and the Tree of Knowledge, HE never said the Tree of Knowledge of Good, Neutral, and Evil. If man's wisdom was neutral he would niether be doing the will of Satan nor the will of the Father and definately wouldn't even be alive right now.

NatalieJan777 said:

Good, because I was next going to say when GOD created the garden of Eden and the Tree of Knowledge, HE never said the Tree of Knowledge of Good, Neutral, and Evil. If man's wisdom was neutral he would niether be doing the will of Satan nor the will of the Father and definately wouldn't even be alive right now.

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yepp neutral on the Good-O-Meter is just so-so and still not good enough .

thank God there is grace .

bless .

Michael Collum said:

yepp neutral on the Good-O-Meter is just so-so and still not good enough .

thank God there is grace .

bless .

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Yes I praise the Lord for HIS grace and perfection:

Matthew 5:48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Having been raised by perfectionists I used to spin my wheels constantly to the perfection of this world, always falling short. I cannot be perfect in worldly things anymore because all I am concerned with is helping HIM help me to attain HIS perfection, which really isn't burdensome at all and is rather restfull compared to what this world requires.

I've come to acknowledge that there are many things within scripture that have to do with the Levitical Preisthood which I was never meant to be a part of (being created female). Therefore I read carefully what is required of me personally based on what my station will be in the age to come.

Right now as I see it I will be making it in based solely on HIS GRACE and where I am placed is totally up to HIM. Honestly, no matter how much more perfect HE makes me, I do not think I will ever think anything different than this.

Thanks for sharing Nat.

This tends to comes to mind whenever the word perfect is brought up in the bible .

48 Be ye therefore perfect <5046>, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect <5046>.

5046 teleiov teleios tel’-i-os

from 5056; TDNT-8:67,1161; adj

AV-perfect 17, man 1, of full age 1; 19

1) brought to its end, finished
2) wanting nothing necessary to completeness
3) perfect
4) that which is perfect
4a) consummate human integrity and virtue
4b) of men
4b1) full grown, adult, of full age, mature

Michael Collum said:

Thanks for sharing Nat.

This tends to comes to mind whenever the word perfect is brought up in the bible .

48 Be ye therefore perfect <5046>, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect <5046>.

5046 teleiov teleios tel’-i-os

from 5056; TDNT-8:67,1161; adj

AV-perfect 17, man 1, of full age 1; 19

1) brought to its end, finished
2) wanting nothing necessary to completeness
3) perfect
4) that which is perfect
4a) consummate human integrity and virtue
4b) of men
4b1) full grown, adult, of full age, mature

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Since it is HIS perfection and HIS works being done in all of us, I would say full grown spiritually is exactly what Jesus had in mind.

Sure, i can agree with that .

i'd add that He wants to develop through the maturity process His heart in us .

bless .

Oh, this is a good topic! I wrote about the topic of wisdom in my blog. I'll just copy and paste it over here...


Attributes of Wisdom

There are differing opinions on what wisdom is, so you may or may not agree with the following points on wisdom. I&#8217;m sharing some things I learned from one of our speakers in my addictive behavior class (Mark Brouwer) so this is mostly based on his teaching, but I&#8217;m also adding my own thoughts on this topic.


Wisdom is not primarily moral or ethical. Of course wisdom can help one to determine what the right or moral thing to do is, but that isn&#8217;t its main or only function. A couple definitions I&#8217;ve found (that i&#8217;m putting together in one sentence) that I think are pretty accurate are: wisdom is observations about how life generally works, and having the ability to judge correctly and to follow the best course of action, based on knowledge and understanding.


Wisdom comes from the streets. Before you take that literally, I think what that means is &#8211; life experience, making mistakes and learning from them &#8211; those things help to give us wisdom. Proverbs 8:1 and 1:20 state, &#8220;Doesn&#8217;t Wisdom call out? Doesn&#8217;t Understanding make her voice heard?&#8221; &#8220;Wisdom calls out in the street; she raises her voice in the public squares.&#8221;


We get wisdom from being with wise people. That is another way to gain wisdom. So, it&#8217;s something that can be acquired, not something that we&#8217;re born with a certain amount of and that can never be increased&#8230; which should be good news for all people.


Wisdom alone is not enough. Take Solomon, for example. In the bible he was described as the wisest man in the world, but he became a sex addict, with tons of wives and concubines, and that was his downfall.

So, from a biblical perspective, if he had followed God and been obedient, he wouldn&#8217;t have gone off track and gotten himself into trouble. His wisdom was not enough. Which is very ironic, but that goes back to the first point I made.

One last point. And this one is from a Christian perspective, so non-christians will probably dismiss this&#8230; Wisdom is one way of knowing things, not the only way of course, but according to Mark (the speaker who talked about this subject) it is just as important a way of knowing and just as much a gift as revelation. And don&#8217;t forget, we can ask God for wisdom, and the bible says He will give it to us. (James 1:5)


The book of Proverbs talks a lot about wisdom, here is just one passage that I&#8217;ll end with:


How blessed is the man who finds wisdom
And the man who gains understanding.
For her profit is better than the profit of silver
And her gain better than fine gold.
She is more precious than jewels;
And nothing you desire compares with her.
Long life is in her right hand;
In her left hand are riches and honor.
Her ways are pleasant ways
And all her paths are peace.
She is a tree of life to those who take hold of her,
And happy are all who hold her fast.


Proverbs 3:13-18

lilymc said:

Wisdom alone is not enough. Take Solomon, for example. In the bible he was described as the wisest man in the world, but he became a sex addict, with tons of wives and concubines, and that was his downfall.

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Well done!

I got to this part and stumbled a bit, only because I do not think it is truth. No where in the Bible does it say multiple wives is not permissable except in reference to the Levitical Preisthood (OT) and or Priests (NT). I say this because I have studied the life of Solomon's father intensely. He also had multiple wives and this is what God Said to Solomon and what is said of David:

1 Kings 4:8 And if you walk in my ways and obey my statutes and commands as David your father did, I will give you a long life.

1 Kings 15:34 For David had done what was right in the eyes of the Lord and had not failed to keep any of the Lord's commands all the days of his life - except in the case of Uriah the Hittite.

Adultery back then was different then what we consider it to be today. Today it is having multiple wives/concubines etc... . Back then it was unfaithfulness in the commitment, and or your commitment never to not be a husband to your wife/wives, it was a letting go of and not providing for. We look at it this way now because we have laws against Polygamy.

I can prove this point by Levitical law:

Leviticus 18 If they were to have only one wife then alot of what is written in that Chapter could have been omited and substituted with just, you must have only one wife.

Don't get me wrong, I think it is a good thing to have only one wife. What I am pointing out is that by the law what they did was not unlawfull. Therefore they were not sinning and accusing them of doing so is wrong.