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Can christians serve in the military. I mean, I understand that you, maybe, can kill a person that is trying to kill you, but what about when your dropping bombs and you kill innocent civilians? Will God hold you accountable for killing innocent people?

This isn't the old testament anymore, Jesus wants us to love right?
 

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I believe the military is absolutely needed and yes you can serve in it.

John 15:13

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

1 John 3:16

Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for our brethren.

Ephesians 5:2

And walk in love, and as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet smelling savor.

2 Corinthians 2:15,16

For we are unto God a sweet savor of Christ, in them that are saved and in them that perish: To one we are the sweet savor of death unto death unto death; and to the other the savor of life unto death; and to the other the savor of life unto life. And who is sufficent fro these things?

Romans 12:18

If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

there's one more scripture that says peace at all cost ... I'll have to find it and bring it back ...

We can see that laying down one's life is associated with love and we're to walk in love. Obvioulsy we can't do that by going and being crucified. Not only would that be offensive to what Jesus did but it won't save anyone. Yet, it tells us to do as Christ in laying down our life.

We can see in Romans that it says if possible ... IF ... it is not possible to live peaceably with countries who want to kill you and others and want christianity stomped out. Christians are persecuted and killed every day across the globe but here in the US ... because we fight to maintain Truth and honor and mercy and justice ... for that we are a nation blessed abundantly. You say you understand self-defense ... well, it is self-defense to fight the wars fought for human dignity and right to live among others.

Common sense alone tells us we've got our heads screwed on upside down if we think we can passively sit by until the enemy comes to our country to do the same ... there will be so many by that time God, Himself would have to intervene ... which is another chapter. We would render ourselves useless to the cause of christ's gospel to let that happen. We must never exclude common sense. We're expected to use it.

We know not to sit in judgement of others or ourself ... when these fine young men and women are out there doing the Lord's work in serving you and I the Lord knows the intent of each of their hearts. That is what He will be looking at ... not the outcome so much. The intent is where He truly sees our heart. He knows they didn't go in there to kill anyone innocent. Just as He knows those who did.

Yes, Jesus wants us to love ... but not all will follow Jesus ... that's what it's all about ... seperating good from evil ... that won't come without the loss of innocent life. It never has. Jesus, Himself, was as innocent as it gets. They still killed Him. And He knew they would. All through history Christians have been killed and all through the bible we see war and God's hand in it. We must each do what we believe is right and just and leave the judging to God.

War is not always bad, either ... I once heard a veteran say 'you rarely, if ever, meet an atheist on the battlefield ... they seem to find God amongst the flying of bullets'. There is so much truth in this ... including in our daily lives ... when in dire need and broken ... more come to God than ever do in times of peace and luxury.

I think it's important to remember these flesh bodies won't do us any good in the next round ... looking at this as a spiritual concept you could say many who might have lost their spiritual body in the end may be saved through the war ... we are told to count the cost of following Christ. Of all the innocent lives killed in war there may well be many more who turned away from God because they couldn't see His hand when no one came to the aide. Or many who never knew God simply because God wasn't allowed.

Hope these help ... God bless
 
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Im not sure were are suppose to use self-defence though, because Jesus said, 'turn the other check'.
As a former veteran, I know that Christians serve in the military.
Our country often choose to send young men from 17-24 to the heat of the battle. These young men and women have pledged and are trained to follow instructions of designated authority without wavering. The soldier is not responsible for what they should do in battle.
A soldier can be required to fight when the trumpet sounds.

1Cr 14:8 — For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
 
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Luke 3:14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.

Here's some commentaries that put this verse into context.

Geneva Study Bible


And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your {c} wages.
(c) Which was paid to them partly in money and partly in food.

People's New Testament
3:14 And the soldiers. Whether these were Jews or Romans cannot be ascertained. It is not improbable that, as Judea was a Roman province, they were Jews or Jewish proselytes in the service of Herod Antipas or Philip, and so were really in the Roman service.

King James Translators' Notes

Do violence...: or, Put no man in fear
wages: or, allowance

Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary

14. soldiers . Do violence to none-The word signifies to "shake thoroughly," and so to "intimidate," probably in order to extort money or other property. (Also see on [1554]Mt 3:10.)
accuse . falsely-acting as informers vexatiously, on frivolous or false grounds.
content with your wages-"rations." We may take this as a warning against mutiny, which the officers attempted to suppress by largesses and donations [Webster and Wilkinson]. And thus the "fruits" which would evidence their repentance were just resistance to the reigning sins, particularly of the class to which the penitent belonged, and the manifestation of an opposite spirit.

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
3:1-14 The scope and design of John's ministry were, to bring the people from their sins, and to their Saviour. He came preaching, not a sect, or party, but a profession; the sign or ceremony was washing with water. By the words here used John preached the necessity of repentance, in order to the remission of sins, and that the baptism of water was an outward sign of that inward cleansing and renewal of heart, which attend, or are the effects of true repentance, as well as a profession of it. Here is the fulfilling of the Scriptures, Isa 40:3, in the ministry of John. When way is made for the gospel into the heart, by taking down high thoughts, and bringing them into obedience to Christ, by levelling the soul, and removing all that hinders us in the way of Christ and his grace, then preparation is made to welcome the salvation of God. Here are general warnings and exhortations which John gave. The guilty, corrupted race of mankind is become a generation of vipers; hateful to God, and hating one another. There is no way of fleeing from the wrath to come, but by repentance; and by the change of our way the change of our mind must be shown. If we are not really holy, both in heart and life, our profession of religion and relation to God and his church, will stand us in no stead at all; the sorer will our destruction be, if we do not bring forth fruits meet for repentance. John the Baptist gave instructions to several sorts of persons. Those that profess and promise repentance, must show it by reformation, according to their places and conditions. The gospel requires mercy, not sacrifice; and its design is, to engage us to do all the good we can, and to be just to all men. And the same principle which leads men to forego unjust gain, leads to restore that which is gained by wrong. John tells the soldiers their duty. Men should be cautioned against the temptations of their employments. These answers declared the present duty of the inquirers, and at once formed a test of their sincerity. As none can or will accept Christ's salvation without true repentance, so the evidence and effects of this repentance are here marked out.
 
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As a former veteran, I know that Christians serve in the military.
Our country often choose to send young men from 17-24 to the heat of the battle. These young men and women have pledged and are trained to follow instructions of designated authority without wavering. The soldier is not responsible for what they should do in battle.
A soldier can be required to fight when the trumpet sounds.

1Cr 14:8 — For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

cool! never thought of that verse! :thumbsup:
 
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David as a young boy was first of all, a man after God's own heart. As a boy he was also a soldier "a man of war." 1Sa 13:14



Exd 15:1Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the LORD, and spake, saying, I will sing unto the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.
Exd 15:2The LORD [is] my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he [is] my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.
Exd 15:3The LORD [is] a man of war: the LORD [is] his name.
Exd 15:4Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea: his chosen captains also are drowned in the Red sea.
Exd 15:5The depths have covered them: they sank into the bottom as a stone.
Exd 15:6Thy right hand, O LORD, is become glorious in power: thy right hand, O LORD, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.
Exd 15:7And in the greatness of thine excellency thou hast overthrown them that rose up against thee: thou sentest forth thy wrath, [which] consumed them as stubble.
Exd 15:8And with the blast of thy nostrils the waters were gathered together, the floods stood upright as an heap, [and] the depths were congealed in the heart of the sea.
Exd 15:9The enemy said, I will pursue, I will overtake, I will divide the spoil; my lust shall be satisfied upon them; I will draw my sword, my hand shall destroy them.
Exd 15:10Thou didst blow with thy wind, the sea covered them: they sank as lead in the mighty waters.
 
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This is not old testament times indeed but as Solomon says, there is nothing new under the sun, Ecclesiastes 1:9. Ecclesiastes 3:3 gives some insight to some of those things. There were orders back in old testament times where the ppl of GOD were told to kill women, children, cattle, would you not say they were innocent as well?
(p.s. I am not advocating that innocent ppl should be killed in no wise)
 
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