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... the scripture above is used by all the sunday go to meetin denominations.

Christians should be meeting together every day of the week (Hebrews 3:13, 10:25), at least in some fashion (Matthew 18:20), and they should not identify themselves after denominations (1 Corinthians 1:12-13), but should simply be called Christians (Acts 11:26, 1 Peter 4:16).

Jesus nailed the handwriting of the ordinances to the cross.

On the cross, Jesus abolished the letter of the entire Old Covenant law (Ephesians 2:15, 2 Corinthians 3:7-18, Hebrews 7:18-19), so that Christians are delivered from the letter of the entire Old Covenant law and are not to keep the letter of any part of it (Romans 7:6, 2 Corinthians 3:6-18). The "ordinances" or "statutes" (Hebrew: choq) of the Old Covenant law (Malachi 3:7) can also be referred to as "commmandments" (Amos 2:4), for they were commanded by God no less than any other part of the Old Covenant law (Deuteronomy 6:24). One cannot think that in order to be saved one must perform the letter of even one part of the Old Covenant law, for then one becomes a debtor to perform the letter of the entire Old Covenant law (Galatians 5:3), and so one becomes fallen from grace (Galatians 5:4).

What are the odds these 2 scriptures are not speaking about the same thing?

Colossians 2:14-16 cannot be speaking of Ezekiel 45:17, because Ezekiel 45:17, like all the rest of the prophetic vision of Ezekiel chapters 40-48, was never put into effect, but was only a potential, future law (Ezekiel 43:11), which was different in detail than the Old Covenant law.

Theres the meat and drink offerings for the sabbath days that Col.2 [16] was speaking of.

Colossians 2:16 does not refer to meat and drink "offerings", but means that Christians are not to judge each other over not keeping the letter of the Old Covenant law regarding what could not be consumed because it was "unclean" (Leviticus 11:47). Under the New Covenant, Christians do not have to avoid consuming certain things, but can consume anything (Romans 14:13-15).

Colossians 2:16 also shows that Christians are not to judge each other over not keeping the letter of the Old Covenant sabbaths, which included the one-day-a-week resting-from-work sabbath (Exodus 31:13-15). Under the New Covenant, Christians do not need to esteem only one day of the week, but can esteem every day of the week alike (Romans 14:4-5), for they are to rest from their own works every day of the week (Hebrews 4:10, Luke 9:23).

Hebrews 10 says it all. The shadow was the offerings

Hebrews 10:1 doesn't say that "the shadow was the offerings", but means that the letter of the entire Old Covenant law was a shadow, including the letter of its offerings. Because Christians are in Christ himself (Colossians 1:2), they are not under any part of his shadow (Colossians 2:17); they are not under any part of the letter of the Old Covenant law (Romans 7:6, 2 Corinthians 3:6-18), nor should they have any desire to ever place themselves under any part of the letter of the Old Covenant law (Galatians 4:21-31). They should instead desire only Christ himself (Philippians 3:8-9), and only his every-day-of-the-week sabbath rest (Matthew 11:28, Hebrews 4:10), of which the letter of the Old Covenant one-day-of-the-week sabbath rest was only a shadow (Colossians 2:16-17).
 
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Hebrews 10:1 doesn't say that "the shadow was the offerings", but means that the letter of the entire Old Covenant law was a shadow

Read it again Bible2

HEBREWS 10 [1] For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Now what were you saying

Your explanations are only opinions which are not backed up by scripture
 
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Seems weve gone off topic Bible 2. Lets get back to the sheep


JOHN 10 [27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: [28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Who are the sheep that hear His “voice”? Whats this voice saying? Theres really no need to guess. It is written.

DEUT. 27 [8] And thou shalt write upon the stones all the words of this law very plainly. [9] And Moses and the priests the Levites spake unto all Israel, saying, Take heed, and hearken, O Israel; this day thou art become the people of the Lord thy God. [10] Thou shalt therefore obey the voice of the Lord thy God, and do his commandments and his statutes, which I command thee this day.

DEUT. 4 [12] And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice. [13] And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

There always seems to be someone out there that will claim the commandments mentioned are not the ten commandments. Cant do a song and dance around above scripture

ZEPH. 1 [14] The great day of the Lord is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the Lord: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. [15] That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, [16] A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.

The “voice” will return on the Day of the Lord according to Zeph.1. That’s when Jesus will return to get rid of the bad guys. Will the voice continue to say the same thing?

REV. 14 [2] And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

YIKES! For sure the “voice” returns. Will anyone be listening to the returning “voice”?

REV. 14 [12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. [13] And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Yup. The saints of God will be observing to keep His 10 commandments
 
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JEREMIAH 50 [4] IN THOSE DAYS, and in that time, saith the Lord, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the Lord their God. [5] They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the Lord in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten. [6] MY PEOPLE HATH BEEN LOST SHEEP: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: THEY HAVE GONE FROM MOUNTAIN TO HILL, THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN THEIR RESTINGPLACE.

ISAIAH 2 [2] And it shall come to pass IN THE LAST DAYS, that the mountain of THE LORD'S HOUSE SHALL BE ESTABLISHED IN THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAINS, AND SHALL BE EXALTED ABOVE THE HILLS; and all nations shall flow unto it. [3] And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for OUT OF ZION SHALL GO FORTH THE LAW, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

In Jer.50 we see how Gods people went from the mountains to the hills and had forgotten their restingplace? The sabbath. But in the above scripture it says “in the last days” the Lords house will be established on the top of the mountains and exalted above the hills. Jer.50 [5] aslo says that Gods people (the lost sheep Jesus said He came for) will return to His sabbath.
 
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MATT.18 [11] For the Son of man is come to SAVE THAT WHICH WAS LOST. [12] How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?[13] And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.

The Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

MATT.15 [22] And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.[23] But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.[24] But he answered and said, I AM NOT SENT BUT UNTO THE LOST SHEEP of the house of Israel.

I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel

JER.50 [4] In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the LORD their God.[5] They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the LORD in A PERPETUAL COVENANT that shall not be forgotten.[6] MY PEOPLE HATH BEEN LOST SHEEP: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, THEY HAVE FORGOTTEN THEIR RESTINGPLACE.

Well, In Jeremiah we can find the lost sheep that Jesus came for. What perpetual covenant was forgotten by these lost sheep? Forgotten their “resting place”..

EXODUS 31[15] Six days may work be done; but in THE SEVENTH IS THE SABBATH of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.[16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for aPERPETUAL COVENANT.[17] It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

This is really great. If you have a KJV bible you will find the words “PERPETUAL COVENANT” only in these 2 scriptures. Jer. 50 and Exodus 31. Exodus 31 speaks of the sabbath as a “perpetual covenant” and Jer.50 speaks of that “perpetual covenant” being forgotten by His people. According to this scripture His “lost sheep” will return and keep His sabbath day. LOST NO MORE! There are many who claim to believe in Jesus and yet the new testament clearly says only a few will be saved to the kingdom. In the book of James you find if you practice to break even one of the commandments, you’ve broken them all. You are a transgressor. In the new testament Jesus told us that he was Lord of the sabbath day. So if Jesus is Lord of the sabbath rest why would anyone wanna keep a different day of rest formed by the docrtines of man?
 
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JEREMIAH 23
[1] Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the Lord.
[20] The anger of the Lord shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: IN THE LATTER DAYS ye shall consider it perfectly.
[26] How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart; [27] Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have FORGOTTEN MY NAME FOR BAAL.
[28] The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What is the CHAFF TO THE WHEAT? saith the Lord. [29] Is not MY WORD LIKE AS A FIRE? saith the Lord; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?
[32] Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the Lord, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by THEIR LIES, and by THEIR LIGHTNESS; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore THEY SHALL NOT PROFIT THIS PEOPLE AT ALL, saith the Lord.
[36] And the burden of the Lord shall ye mention no more: for EVERY MAN'S WORD SHALL BE HIS BURDEN; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the Lord of hosts our God.
[39] Therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will forsake you, and the city that I gave you and your fathers, and cast you out of my presence: [40] And I will bring an EVERLASTING REPROACH upon you, and a PERPETUAL SHAME, which shall NOT BE FORGOTTEN.

Lookin through Jer.23 we find that in the latter days there will be prophets that decieve Gods people and cause them to follow the practices of baal. baal of course is worshipped on the day of the sun.

JER.23[28-29] What is the chaff to the wheat? Is not my word like as a fire?

LUKE 3 [16] John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: [17] Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will GATHER THE WHEAT into his garner; but the CHAFF HE WILL BURN WITH FIRE unquenchable.

JER.23[36] every man's word shall be his burden

MATTHEW 12 [36] But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. [37] FOR BY THY WORDS THOU SHALT BE JUSTIFIED, AND BY THY WORDS THOU SHALT BE CONDEMNED.

JER.23[40] The EVERLASTING reproach?

LEV.24 [8] EVERY SABBATH he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by AN EVERLASTING COVENANT.

JER.23[40] The PERPETUAL shame, which shall NOT BE FORGOTTEN?

JEREMIAH 50 [5] They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and LET US JOIN OURSELVES TO THE LORD IN A PERPETUAL COVENANT THAT SHALL NOT BE FORGOTTEN. [6] My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

Like i said before, the scriptue below is the only other place you will find the words “perpetual covenant” in the KJV. Coincidence, a billion to one shot, or the beauty and greatness of the WORD of God. Jesus said He was comin to get those “lost sheep” and they will keep His “perpetual covenant”

EXODUS 31[16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for aPERPETUAL COVENANT.
 
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MATTHEW 15 [24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the LOST SHEEP of the house of Israel.

That’s what Jesus said.

JOHN 10 [14] I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. [15] As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. [16] And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Jesus also said there were “others” not of the fold of the house of Israel. Everyone seems to agree that these “others” are the gentiles. The gentiles who hear His voice? Where does Jesus bring them? Look in Isaiah.

ISAIAH 56 [1] Thus saith the Lord, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. [2] Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil. [3] Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the Lord, speak, saying, The Lord hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. [4] For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; [5] Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. [6] Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; [7] Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people. [8] The Lord God which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

Jesus brings them to His Holy Mountain. The 1000 yr period of rest. So, have “many” come in the name of Jesus and decieved many as the bible said would happen? No doubt about it. You must be keeping the sabbath in order to be saved to the kingdom. According to scripture that is so. According to the sunday mornin pulpiteers that is not so. Are they the “many” the bible speaks about?

ISAIAH 66 [20] And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the Lord out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to MY HOLY MOUNTAIN Jerusalem, saith the Lord, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the Lord. [21] And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the Lord. [22] For as the NEW HEAVENS AND THE NEW EARTH, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. [23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER, SHALL ALL FLESH COME TO WORSHIP BEFORE ME, saith the Lord. [24] And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Seems that when we reach the kingdom we will be keeping Gods sabbath day. Question is….Is Jesus the same yesterday, today and forever or is your God a wishy washy God. You will keep my sabbath for 4 thousand years, the next 2 thousand years don’t bother, after that you will keep my sabbaths forever.
 
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Seems weve gone off topic Bible 2. Lets get back to the sheep


JOHN 10 [27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: [28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Who are the sheep that hear His “voice”? Whats this voice saying? Theres really no need to guess. It is written.

DEUT. 27 [8] And thou shalt write upon the stones all the words of this law very plainly. [9] And Moses and the priests the Levites spake unto all Israel, saying, Take heed, and hearken, O Israel; this day thou art become the people of the Lord thy God. [10] Thou shalt therefore obey the voice of the Lord thy God, and do his commandments and his statutes, which I command thee this day.

DEUT. 4 [12] And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice. [13] And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

There always seems to be someone out there that will claim the commandments mentioned are not the ten commandments. Cant do a song and dance around above scripture

ZEPH. 1 [14] The great day of the Lord is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the Lord: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. [15] That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, [16] A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.

The “voice” will return on the Day of the Lord according to Zeph.1. That’s when Jesus will return to get rid of the bad guys. Will the voice continue to say the same thing?

REV. 14 [2] And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

YIKES! For sure the “voice” returns. Will anyone be listening to the returning “voice”?

REV. 14 [12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. [13] And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Yup. The saints of God will be observing to keep His 10 commandments

What was written in stone,that was death and condemnation?

2 cor 3;7 Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses' face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end,

What was brought to an end?

3;11 For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory.
 
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HEBREWS 10 [1] For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.[3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Now what were you saying

Your explanations are only opinions which are not backed up by scripture

The shadow is over.




The old priesthood is gone..those of the old cov..
That means that the old cov laws,for the priesthood are gone..and by the way,so is the temple..

Hebrews 7:11-12 Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? 12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.



Hebrews 7:18-19 For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness 19 (for the law made nothing perfect); but on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.

Greek for setting aside.. athetesis 115
Definition:
1) abolition, disannulling, put away, rejection


Hebrews 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.

Hebrews 8:8 NASB For finding fault with them, He says, "BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL EFFECT A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH;

Effect in the greek…sunteleo 4931
Definition:
1) to end together or at the same time
2) to end completely
2a) bring to an end, finish, complete
3) to accomplish, bring to fulfilment
3a) to come to pass
4) to effect, make, (conclude)
5) to finish
5a) to make an end of
5b) to bring to an end
5c) destroy


New,in the greek. kainos 2537

Definition:
1) new
1a) as respects form
1a1) recently made, fresh, recent, unused, unworn
1b) as respects substance
1b1) of a new kind, unprecedented, novel, uncommon, unheard of


Hebrews 8:13In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Greek for obsolete.., palaioo 3822

Definition:
1) to make ancient or old
1a) to become old, to be worn out
1b) of things worn out by time and use
2) to declare a thing to be old and so about to be abrogated


Here we see,that that the first was done away with..

Hebrews 10:8-9 When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), 9 then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second.

Here is the Greek,for “do away”

anaireo 337

Definition: 1) to take up, to lift up (from the ground)
1a) to take up for myself as mine
1b) to own (an exposed infant)
2) to take away, abolish
2a) to do away with or abrogate customs or ordinances
2b) to put out of the way, kill slay a man


Strongs.. 337. anaireo an-ahee-reh'-o from 303 and (the active of) 138; to take up, i.e. adopt; by implication, to take away (violently), i.e. abolish, murder:--put to death, kill, slay, take away, take up.
 
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HEBREWS 10 [:1-4]

Hebrews 10:1-4 doesn't say that only the animal sacrifices of the Old Covenant law were a shadow, because other aspects of the Old Covenant law were also a shadow, such as the letter of the only-one-day-a-week Old Covenant sabbath (Colossians 2:16-17), the spirit of which is continued perpetually in the every-day-of-the-week New Covenant sabbath rest that Christians enter into by their faith in Jesus (Hebrews 4:10, Luke 9:23, Matthew 11:28).

Your explanations are only opinions which are not backed up by scripture

What statement has not been backed up by scripture?

Who are the sheep that hear His “voice”?

Jesus' sheep who hear his voice and believe in him and follow him and become saved (John 10:26-28) are the elect (Acts 13:48). Those who are not Jesus' sheep are the unelect who cannot possibly hear and believe in Jesus (John 8:42-47).

There always seems to be someone out there that will claim the commandments mentioned are not the ten commandments.

The letter of the ten commandments engraven in stones was part of the abolished Old Covenant ministration of death (2 Corinthians 3:7) which has been replaced by the New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34) ministration of the spirit (2 Corinthians 3:6-18), in which Christians are delivered from the letter of the Old Covenant law, and keep the spirit (Romans 7:6) of all commandments in loving others (Romans 13:8-10).
 
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What was written in stone,that was death and condemnation?

2 cor 3;7 Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses' face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end,

What was brought to an end?

3;11 For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory.

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Before you wrote the above stuff you quoted my post that was all about the "voice". Ive seen and discussed all the 1 liners that you posted. Lets discuss the scriptures concerning the "voice"
 
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How about discussing this set of scriptures

MATTHEW 15 [24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the LOST SHEEP of the house of Israel.

That’s what Jesus said.

JOHN 10 [14] I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. [15] As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. [16] And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Jesus also said there were “others” not of the fold of the house of Israel. Everyone seems to agree that these “others” are the gentiles. The gentiles who hear His voice? Where does Jesus bring them? Look in Isaiah.

ISAIAH 56 [1] Thus saith the Lord, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. [2] Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil. [3] Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the Lord, speak, saying, The Lord hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. [4] For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; [5] Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. [6] Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; [7] Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people. [8] The Lord God which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

Jesus brings them to His Holy Mountain. The 1000 yr period of rest. So, have “many” come in the name of Jesus and decieved many as the bible said would happen? No doubt about it. You must be keeping the sabbath in order to be saved to the kingdom. According to scripture that is so. According to the sunday mornin pulpiteers that is not so. Are they the “many” the bible speaks about?

ISAIAH 66 [20] And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the Lord out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to MY HOLY MOUNTAIN Jerusalem, saith the Lord, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the Lord. [21] And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the Lord. [22] For as the NEW HEAVENS AND THE NEW EARTH, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. [23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER, SHALL ALL FLESH COME TO WORSHIP BEFORE ME, saith the Lord. [24] And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Seems that when we reach the kingdom we will be keeping Gods sabbath day. Question is….Is Jesus the same yesterday, today and forever or is your God a wishy washy God. You will keep my sabbath for 4 thousand years, the next 2 thousand years don’t bother, after that you will keep my sabbaths forever.
 
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How about discussing this set of scriptures

MATTHEW 15 [24] But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the LOST SHEEP of the house of Israel.
Just for Israel?


Matt 21:42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

“‘The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone; [4]
this was the Lord's doing,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’?

43 Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits


That’s what Jesus said.

JOHN 10 [14] I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. [15] As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. [16] And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Jesus also said there were “others” not of the fold of the house of Israel. Everyone seems to agree that these “others” are the gentiles. The gentiles who hear His voice? Where does Jesus bring them? Look in Isaiah.

ISAIAH 56 [1] Thus saith the Lord, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. [2] Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil. [3] Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the Lord, speak, saying, The Lord hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. [4] For thus saith the Lord unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; [5] Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. [6] Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; [7] Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people. [8] The Lord God which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

Jesus brings them to His Holy Mountain. The 1000 yr period of rest. So, have “many” come in the name of Jesus and decieved many as the bible said would happen? No doubt about it. You must be keeping the sabbath in order to be saved to the kingdom. According to scripture that is so. According to the sunday mornin pulpiteers that is not so. Are they the “many” the bible speaks about?

ISAIAH 66 [20] And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the Lord out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to MY HOLY MOUNTAIN Jerusalem, saith the Lord, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the Lord. [21] And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the Lord. [22] For as the NEW HEAVENS AND THE NEW EARTH, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. [23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER, SHALL ALL FLESH COME TO WORSHIP BEFORE ME, saith the Lord. [24] And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Seems that when we reach the kingdom we will be keeping Gods sabbath day. Question is….Is Jesus the same yesterday, today and forever or is your God a wishy washy God. You will keep my sabbath for 4 thousand years, the next 2 thousand years don’t bother, after that you will keep my sabbaths forever.

I did not read the rest..maybe later.:)
 
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ISAIAH 56 [:1-8]

Isaiah 56:1-8 foretold Gentiles coming to the temple in Jerusalem back when the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law was still in effect (Mark 11:17, cf. Acts 8:27). But now the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law has been abolished (Ephesians 2:15, Hebrews 7:18-19) and replaced by the New Covenant of Christ (2 Corinthians 3:6-18).

You must be keeping the sabbath in order to be saved

Christians do not need to keep the letter of the Old Covenant sabbath in order to be saved, because they have been delivered from the letter of the entire Old Covenant law (Romans 7:6). Saying that Christians need to keep the letter of the Old Covenant sabbath in order to be saved is just as wrong as saying that Christians need to keep the letter of the Old Covenant circumcision in order to be saved (Acts 15:1). Any Christian who thinks that he has to keep the letter of any part of the Old Covenant law in order to be saved has fallen from grace (Galatians 5:4).

ISAIAH 66 [:20-24]

Isaiah 66:19-24 is not yet in effect; it will not begin to be put into effect until the coming millennium, after Jesus' return (Isaiah 66:15-24, Revelation 19:21-20:6). Also, the future new moon and sabbath observances of Isaiah 66:23 will not be the new moon and sabbath observance of the abolished letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-19, Ephesians 2:15), but observances according to some new, millennial rules which Jesus will institute under the auspices of the New Covenant after his return: Just as Christians do not yet need to keep the future, millennial form of a New Covenant feast of tabernacles and animal sacrifices at a temple in Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:16-21), so Christians do not yet need to keep the future, millennial form of a New Covenant new moon observance and sabbath observance (Isaiah 66:23).

Is Jesus the same yesterday, today and forever or is your God a wishy washy God.

While Jesus/God himself is the same yesterday, today, and forever (Hebrews 13:8), his covenants by which he deals with mankind do not remain the same yesterday, today, and forever. And thank God that they don't, for otherwise Christians would still have to be performing every last detail of every last ritual of the letter of the entire Old Covenant Mosaic law.

Christians can thank God that the letter of the entire Old Covenant Mosaic law was just a temporary "schoomaster" covenant (Galatians 3:24-25), a temporary "shadow" covenant (Colossians 2:16-17), which God set up because of sins long after he had set up the original promise of the Abrahamic Covenant and long before he brought that promise to fulfillment in the New Covenant of Christ (Galatians 3:16-29). No Christian should in any way desire to go back into bondage under the letter of any part of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Galatians 4:21-25). All Christians should desire to keep themselves wholly in the liberty and freedom of the spirit of the New Covenant of Christ (Galatians 5:1, 2 Corinthians 3:6-18).
 
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Christians can thank God that the letter of the entire Old Covenant Mosaic law was just a temporary "schoomaster" covenant (Galatians 3:24-25), a temporary "shadow" covenant (Colossians 2:16-17),

The "shadow" and the "schoolmaster" are not as you claim. The schoolmaster is being discussed as i write and the shadow can be found in the Col.2{16} thread. The scriptures do not back up what youve been taught by the sunday mornin pulpiteers.
 
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The "shadow" and the "schoolmaster" are not as you claim. The schoolmaster is being discussed as i write and the shadow can be found in the Col.2{16} thread. The scriptures do not back up what youve been taught by the sunday mornin pulpiteers.
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http://www.christianforums.com/t7426625-2/#post54131852

Hebrew 5:12 For also ones-owing to be teachers because of the-time, again need ye are having of the to be teaching ye any the elements of the beginning of the words of the GOD.
And ye have become need having of milk and not of solid food/meat
 
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The "shadow" and the "schoolmaster" are not as you claim.

It is the scriptures themselves which tell Christians that they are no longer under the schoolmaster of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Galatians 3:24-25), the letter of which was just a shadow of Christ himself (Colossians 2:16-17).

Christians do not need to keep the letter of the Old Covenant sabbath in order to be saved, because they have been delivered from the letter of the entire Old Covenant law (Romans 7:6). Saying that Christians need to keep the letter of the Old Covenant sabbath in order to be saved is just as wrong as saying that Christians need to keep the letter of the Old Covenant circumcision in order to be saved (Acts 15:1). Any Christian who thinks that he has to keep the letter of any part of the Old Covenant law in order to be saved has fallen from grace (Galatians 5:4).

The letter of the ten commandments engraven in stones was part of the abolished Old Covenant ministration of death (2 Corinthians 3:7) which has been replaced by the New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34) ministration of the spirit (2 Corinthians 3:6-18), in which Christians are delivered from the letter of the Old Covenant law, and keep the spirit (Romans 7:6) of all commandments in loving others (Romans 13:8-10).

No Christian should in any way desire to go back into bondage under the letter of any part of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Galatians 4:21-25). All Christians should desire to keep themselves wholly in the liberty and freedom of the spirit of the New Covenant of Christ (Galatians 5:1, 2 Corinthians 3:6-18).
 
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change in the law[/COLOR] as well.

Hebrews 7:26-27
For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; [27] Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

Yes there is a change in the law. The high priest had to offer animal sacrifices (the shadow of Christ) daily for sins. That was in the law. It is no more. Jesus is now our high priest. Jesus needed only once to sacrifice himself for the forgivness of our sins. Shadow filled.

At this time of year its good to sit still for a bit and give thought to what Jesus actually did for us. How much pain He went through for all of us. Its hard to get your head around all He has done. He must love us very much. Praise be the Lord Jesus.
 
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The message was preached first to the Jews (the sheep inside the fold) and then to the gentiles (the sheep outside the fold).
Nice post! :thumbsup:

John 2:14 and He found in the temple those selling oxen and sheep and doves, and the money-changers sitting,
15 and having made a whip of small cords, He put all forth out of the temple, also the sheep, and the oxen; and of the money-changers he poured out the coins, and the tables he overthrew,
[Nahum 3:2/Reve 18:11-13]

Reve 18:11 And the merchants of the land are lamenting and are mourning over Her, that the cargo of them no-one is buying not-still
13 and cinnamon and incenses and attars and frankincense and wine and oil and flour and grain and beasts and sheep and of horses and of chariots and of bodies and souls of men.
[Nahum 3:2/John 2:14]

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