Is it wrong to inquire of the Lord through a prohpet?

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I saw a video on YouTube about a guy who has a ministry where you can write in and people will pray for you and send you a prophetic word.

I've heard some people speak against the idea of looking for a prophetic word. Saul went to Samuel to inquire where lost donkey's were. When people found scrolls in the temple, Josiah went to inquire of Huldah the prophetess to see if the scrolls were legitimate. I know these are OT examples, but I can't see anywhere where the NT forbids inquiring of the Lord through another member of the body of Christ. The Corinthians wrote to Paul about marriage-related issues, and he responded back with a commandment from the Lord and various pieces of advice.

From reading I Corinthians 14, we can see that their church had prophets prophesying in church. If prophecy seems so rare among us, is it wrong to try to get one when someone with the gift is around (or when you are in a setting where the gift is allowed to operate, to some extent)?
 

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I think the bible tells us pretty much what God wants us to know.
I think spending time in prayer and His Word, we hear Jesus leading us in our spirit
and He always agrees with the Word of God or we have a scripture brought
to our remembrance by the Holy Spirit.
Sometimes God gives people a word for His church or a word of encouragement
to a person sometimes.
Just my thoughts.


 
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There are prophets in the New Testament, but their role according to Ephesians 4.11 is to equip the saints to do the works of ministry. True prophets help you hear God for yourself.

You should be filled with the Holy Spirit, led by the Holy Spirit and able to flow with the Holy Spirit for yourself.

If not, a prophet should be helping you get in the flow, not get in the flow for you. The concept of another man hearing God for us died on the cross with Jesus and the Levitical priesthood, now we are a kingdom of priests in the order of a New High Priest.
 
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I saw a video on YouTube about a guy who has a ministry where you can write in and people will pray for you and send you a prophetic word.

I've heard some people speak against the idea of looking for a prophetic word. Saul went to Samuel to inquire where lost donkey's were. When people found scrolls in the temple, Josiah went to inquire of Huldah the prophetess to see if the scrolls were legitimate. I know these are OT examples, but I can't see anywhere where the NT forbids inquiring of the Lord through another member of the body of Christ. The Corinthians wrote to Paul about marriage-related issues, and he responded back with a commandment from the Lord and various pieces of advice.

From reading I Corinthians 14, we can see that their church had prophets prophesying in church. If prophecy seems so rare among us, is it wrong to try to get one when someone with the gift is around (or when you are in a setting where the gift is allowed to operate, to some extent)?

I think it's fine to inquire of those whom you trust and know to be prophetic. However, I would not trust just anyone and I'd be very leery of those advertising their services and doing it via the mail. Do they charge for their service? If they do I would not waste my time or my money. If they don't charge for money you'll more than likely be besieged with requests for money to help support them.

The prophet should not really tell you anything the Lord has not already dropped into your spirit. Their word to you should be more of a confirmation of what you've already heard the Lord say. You should not depend on the prophet to hear the Lord for you consistently. I remember giving a word one time to a man where the Lord said (in paraphrase), "I've already told you what I want you to do now quit asking these people to tell you something else. Do what I've already told you to do then I will give you further instruction". Also, in my own opinion what they say should not be so vague that it can fit any situation. I would call those more a word of encouragement than a prophesy. The prophet is NOT to be viewed as a christian psychic.

Personally, I feel it is best to seek the Lord for yourself. Learn to hear HIS voice for yourself then if HE decides to sent a prophet to confirm HIS word to you, He will do that.
 
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If prophecy seems so rare among us, is it wrong to try to get one when someone with the gift is around (or when you are in a setting where the gift is allowed to operate, to some extent)?

This is a good passage:

1 Kings 22:5-8

5 But Jehoshaphat also said to the king of Israel, "First seek the counsel of the LORD."
6 So the king of Israel brought together the prophets—about four hundred men—and asked them, "Shall I go to war against Ramoth Gilead, or shall I refrain?"
"Go," they answered, "for the Lord will give it into the king's hand."
7 But Jehoshaphat asked, "Is there not a prophet of the LORD here whom we can inquire of?" 8 The king of Israel answered Jehoshaphat, "There is still one man through whom we can inquire of the LORD, but I hate him because he never prophesies anything good about me, but always bad. He is Micaiah son of Imlah."
"The king should not say that," Jehoshaphat replied.


I dont think prophecies are rare, but just like King Ahab church leaders like the yes men prophets, with their temporarily encouraging but ultimately nonsensical prophecies. A real prophet might tell you what you dont want to hear.

If all churches were hearing directly from God they wouldnt be doing and saying contrary things.

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There are prophets in the New Testament, but their role according to Ephesians 4.11 is to equip the saints to do the works of ministry. True prophets help you hear God for yourself.

You should be filled with the Holy Spirit, led by the Holy Spirit and able to flow with the Holy Spirit for yourself.

If not, a prophet should be helping you get in the flow, not get in the flow for you. The concept of another man hearing God for us died on the cross with Jesus and the Levitical priesthood, now we are a kingdom of priests in the order of a New High Priest.

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"True prophets help you hear God for yourself." :amen:
 
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There are prophets in the New Testament, but their role according to Ephesians 4.11 is to equip the saints to do the works of ministry. True prophets help you hear God for yourself.

You should be filled with the Holy Spirit, led by the Holy Spirit and able to flow with the Holy Spirit for yourself.

If not, a prophet should be helping you get in the flow, not get in the flow for you. The concept of another man hearing God for us died on the cross with Jesus and the Levitical priesthood, now we are a kingdom of priests in the order of a New High Priest.


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There are prophets in the New Testament, but their role according to Ephesians 4.11 is to equip the saints to do the works of ministry. True prophets help you hear God for yourself.

I'm not saying that prophets can't help people hear God. But can you show me where the New Testament teaches that this is how the prophets equip the saints for ministry rather than by revealing to the people the message the Lord has given them?
 
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Certainly, Ephesians 4.11

That would appear to be circular reasoning.

In Paul's letter to Timothy, we see that Timothy received a spiritual gift through prophecy. A prophet also helped prepare Paul to be bound. There are many ways we see prophets equipping saints to do the work of the ministry in the Bible. Can you show me an example of where their role is to teach God's people to hear God for themselves?
 
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Jesus said My sheep hear my voice and the voice of another they will not hear.

Jesus said the Holy Spirit will bring to our remembrance Jesus Words, and testify of Jesus and comfort us.

The bible says those who believe in Jesus are led by the Holy Spirit.

Collossians 3
12Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

13Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
14And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
15And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. 16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

Matthew 7:8
For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

James 1:5
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.


Although God does sometimes give us a word through another of His children ,
Jesus sheep hear His voice.We seek Him and ask Him.

The more we abide in Jesus , seeking Jesus and meditating on His word the more we grow in Him.


Luke 18:1
And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint;





 
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IMO it is a BIG stretch to say that Agabus prepared Paul. Espcially after the Holy Spirit told Annanias that He showed Paul what he must suffer.

Agabus' prophecy was a confirmation of what the Spirit had been witnessing as Paul went from city to city. I believe Agabus prophecy helped prepare Paul.
 
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How is my reasoning circular?

It assumes that the way prophets prepare saints for the work of the ministry is by teaching the saints to hear God for themselves. Then you use Ephesians 4 about prophets preparing saints for the work of the ministry as evidence for your view.

I'm not arguing with the idea that prophets can help people hear God better, but I can't think of any specific examples of it, except for examples related to that Prophet, Christ.
 
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Agabus' prophecy was a confirmation of what the Spirit had been witnessing as Paul went from city to city. I believe Agabus prophecy helped prepare Paul.


Not according to the Word:
Acts 9:15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel. 16 For I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name’s sake
It doesn't say "My prophet will show him".

Look at the Word my friend
Acts 21:8 On the next day we who were Paul’s companions departed and came to Caesarea, and entered the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, and stayed with him. 9 Now this man had four virgin daughters who prophesied. 10 And as we stayed many days, a certain prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. 11 When he had come to us, he took Paul’s belt, bound his own hands and feet, and said, “Thus says the Holy Spirit, ‘So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man who owns this belt, and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.’”
12 Now when we heard these things, both we and those from that place pleaded with him not to go up to Jerusalem. 13 Then Paul answered, “What do you mean by weeping and breaking my heart? For I am ready not only to be bound, but also to die at Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus.”


Paul already knew he was going to not only be bound, but he was going to die at Jerusalem. The 'prophetic' word wasn't preparing Paul, if it was preparing anyone, it was Paul's followers.


You also erred IMO on Timothy when you said:


In Paul's letter to Timothy, we see that Timothy received a spiritual gift through prophecy.


The Word is contradicting your assumption here:
2 Tim 1:6 Therefore I remind you to stir up the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands.

this verse:
1 Tim1:18 This charge I commit to you, son Timothy, according to the prophecies previously made concerning you, that by them you may wage the good warfare

Has nothing to do with him receiving gifts, and that is plain.
 
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I'm not saying that prophets can't help people hear God. But can you show me where the New Testament teaches that this is how the prophets equip the saints for ministry rather than by revealing to the people the message the Lord has given them?

Prophets have always been a ministry of power. Jesus was recognized as a prophet because GOD was His credentials, they were not going to believe Him otherwise.

There are very few prophets in the body of Christ, most are prophesiers who want to be called a prophet.

GOD used prophets in the OT to reveal HIS glory, and I don't see it being anything different in the NT, other than they are not independent bodies floating around without a head anymore.

GOD has not demoted the ministry of prophet/prophetess to just being a physic to the body of Christ, nor are we suppose to be prophecy hunters.
 
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Not according to the Word:
Acts 9:15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel. 16 For I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name’s sake
It doesn't say "My prophet will show him".

Look at the Word my friend
Acts 21:8 On the next day we who were Paul’s companions departed and came to Caesarea, and entered the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, and stayed with him. 9 Now this man had four virgin daughters who prophesied. 10 And as we stayed many days, a certain prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. 11 When he had come to us, he took Paul’s belt, bound his own hands and feet, and said, “Thus says the Holy Spirit, ‘So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man who owns this belt, and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.’”
12 Now when we heard these things, both we and those from that place pleaded with him not to go up to Jerusalem. 13 Then Paul answered, “What do you mean by weeping and breaking my heart? For I am ready not only to be bound, but also to die at Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus.”

Paul already knew he was going to not only be bound, but he was going to die at Jerusalem. The 'prophetic' word wasn't preparing Paul, if it was preparing anyone, it was Paul's followers.

Have you ever had the Lord tell you something that was going to happen, then someone else confirmed it? Confirmation type prophecies can help prepare you (emotionally at least) for what is to come. Paul probably had some changing of travelling partners a bit during this time, but yet the Spirit witnessed what awaited him from city to city.

And the Lord can show a his followers something by many means. He can speak through scripture, dreams, visions, and even through other believers. The church is the body of Christ after all. If you hear God through someone else, you are still hearing God. If we don't believe in hearing God through someone else, we'd have to get rid of the Bible, too, since God revealed it through men.

You also erred IMO on Timothy when you said:

The Word is contradicting your assumption here:
2 Tim 1:6 Therefore I remind you to stir up the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands.

this verse:
1 Tim1:18 This charge I commit to you, son Timothy, according to the prophecies previously made concerning you, that by them you may wage the good warfare

Has nothing to do with him receiving gifts, and that is plain.

Brother, you need to do a bit more thorough search of the topic. Paul also wrote, as we read in I Timothy 4:14

Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.

Timothy probably had a number of gifts. One of them was given through the gift of prophecy.
 
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