Man do I love you RKBO as one Christian brother to another. God Bless your heart, you are as convinced of your salvation and the maintenance of it as probably anyone I've ever seen. That is a blessing and refreshing. I pray to God you never lose that because you need that assurance in your Christain walk. I would be very angry with anyone who would do their best to dissuade you of that conviction.
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We are saved by grace (Eph. 2:8,9), but we can fall from grace (Gal. 5:2-4).
We are justified by faith (Rom. 5:1), but our faith can cease to exist (Luke 8:13; Rom. 11:19-23) and become shipwrecked (1 Tim. 1:19,20).
We are not under the law (Rom. 6:14,15), but if you live according to the sinful nature you will die (Rom. 8:13).
Paul taught against legalism (Gal. 5:3,4), but among others things he taught:
But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy personsuch a man is an idolaterhas any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them (Eph. 5:3-6).
We are not saved by works (Eph. 2:8,9), but to reap eternal life and not destruction, you must sow to please the Spirit and not the sinful nature (Gal. 6:8,9).
God is faithful to us (1 John 1:9; 1 Cor. 10:13), but we must be faithful to him to the very end of our lives to escape the lake of fire, or second death (Rev. 2:10,11).
God surely loves us (John 3:16; Mk. 10:21; Rom. 8:35-39), but those who inherit the kingdom of God love God (James 2:5 cf. 1 Cor. 2:9). And to love God means to obey his commandments (Jn. 14:15; 1 John 5:3).
We have freedom in Christ (Gal. 5:1), but this freedom is not to indulge the sinful nature (Gal. 5:13; 1 Pet. 2:16).
RKBO I was of the Baptist denomination before, I am non-denominational now, a change the opposite of what Charles Stanley did. I am, I think just as solid in what I believe about the matter as you are solid about what you believe. It would be dishonest for me to say I haven't enjoyed the debate and you have presented a very stong case. However, I've been where you are and now I'm where I am. As long as you are anyone else is assured of salvation I don't believe and I pray this discussion should be anything to dissuade them of their assurance.
I will agree to disagree, but with Christian brotherly love. God Bless.
Check these out:
We are saved by grace (Eph. 2:8,9), but we can fall from grace (Gal. 5:2-4).
We are justified by faith (Rom. 5:1), but our faith can cease to exist (Luke 8:13; Rom. 11:19-23) and become shipwrecked (1 Tim. 1:19,20).
We are not under the law (Rom. 6:14,15), but if you live according to the sinful nature you will die (Rom. 8:13).
Paul taught against legalism (Gal. 5:3,4), but among others things he taught:
But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy personsuch a man is an idolaterhas any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them (Eph. 5:3-6).
We are not saved by works (Eph. 2:8,9), but to reap eternal life and not destruction, you must sow to please the Spirit and not the sinful nature (Gal. 6:8,9).
God is faithful to us (1 John 1:9; 1 Cor. 10:13), but we must be faithful to him to the very end of our lives to escape the lake of fire, or second death (Rev. 2:10,11).
God surely loves us (John 3:16; Mk. 10:21; Rom. 8:35-39), but those who inherit the kingdom of God love God (James 2:5 cf. 1 Cor. 2:9). And to love God means to obey his commandments (Jn. 14:15; 1 John 5:3).
We have freedom in Christ (Gal. 5:1), but this freedom is not to indulge the sinful nature (Gal. 5:13; 1 Pet. 2:16).
RKBO I was of the Baptist denomination before, I am non-denominational now, a change the opposite of what Charles Stanley did. I am, I think just as solid in what I believe about the matter as you are solid about what you believe. It would be dishonest for me to say I haven't enjoyed the debate and you have presented a very stong case. However, I've been where you are and now I'm where I am. As long as you are anyone else is assured of salvation I don't believe and I pray this discussion should be anything to dissuade them of their assurance.
I will agree to disagree, but with Christian brotherly love. God Bless.
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