The armies which follow Christ out of heaven

Hismessenger · Dec 19, 2009

The saints of God, Christ's army;

Hbr 11:36 Still others had trial of mockings and scourgings, yes, and of chains and imprisonment.
Hbr 11:37 They were stoned, they were sawn in two, were tempted, were slain with the sword. They wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, tormented--
Hbr 11:38 of whom the world was not worthy. They wandered in deserts and mountains, [in] dens and caves of the earth.

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This is only a brief view of some of the saints who went through. Who knows but God how many more there are who have suffered for His cause.

hismessenger

rdcast · Dec 19, 2009

Hismessenger said:
It has been before and can happen again for in the camp of Israel, he called for the deaths of all those who had worshipped the golden calf

Old Testament wrath of God was abated by our Lord's Resurrection.

John 1:17
[1]For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

The Law carried harsh judgment, but now we are in the Resurrection Era. We enjoy protection through His Grace. So put away your sward of this world but keep sharp your spiritual sword, Divine Scripture.

Hismessenger · Dec 19, 2009

AND THEY WERE BEFORE THE CHURCH AGE;

Hbr 11:39 And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise,
Hbr 11:40 God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us.

hismessenger

Hismessenger · Dec 19, 2009

Agreed, but the time we or should I say I am speaking of is the time of Wrath. God has in ages past used men to carry out His will and as I said before, can again. Who am I to question what it is that God will do. Did he not use Babylon to chastise Israel in which some were slain and then turned around and used the Assyrians to deal with Babylon.

hismessenger

Hismessenger · Dec 19, 2009

I stand corrected for I did say all those who worshipped the golden calf and you are correct. It was not my intent to give the wrong information, only to show that it was at Gods behest that the event did occur.

hismessenger

rdcast · Dec 19, 2009

God still uses evil men to affect His will at times. I can't say that we would be commanded to turn from grace to perform acts of violence, spilling the blood of others. At the same time, is Christ's Death and Resurrection at all similar to God's bow in the sky, to be considered an everlasting covenant? It might be confusing for God to do a turnabout from this current era of Love and Grace through Jesus Christ. I do cherish a spirit of gentle meekness, even to death, if required.

Hismessenger · Dec 19, 2009

No Christ glory is forever, the bow in the sky has a time limit on it.
see Gen. 12.

hismessenger

rdcast · Dec 19, 2009

The covenant of the bow is everlasting in that it will never be broke even tho the age comes to an end.

Just The Facts · Dec 20, 2009

Hi Messenger

No God used babylon to destroy Judah not Israel................and then he used Mede/Persia to take down babylon...............

He used Asyria to destroy Israel but Judah repented and a plague struck the army attacking Judah.

You were missing my point earlier...........yes God told Moses that but you are missing some important points here same with Joshua being told to kill every man woman and child and even the animals in caanan.....WHY >>>>>>>>>>>WHY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>WHY is what you need to understand. And After that God never once condoned or ordered the hebrews to war in fact ordered them to submit to the Pagan invaders. When it came time to defend Judah God did not tell them to go out and battle the Assyrians he said he would do it.

rdcast · Dec 20, 2009

Brother Jerry said:
"guess who’s comes back with Lord Jesus... and it doesn’t mean ALL of us...It could mean all… who knows…
"
Jude 1:14-15 (KJV)
[14]And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, [15]To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

"It happens to be in the Word again also.
"
Rev. 17:14 (KJV)
[14]These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with Him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

"There is little doubt that angels will also accompany Jesus and His people, but the main idea is that the Son of God leads the people of God from heaven against earth.
Now, let's not confuse these people of GOD with the ones who rule on this planet after this happens... They are destined by a specific qualification... But, some of us, after singing in heaven as it is written in the very first part of Rev 19, will then put on some really cool vesture, most likely mount up on some heavenly horses (if they have horses in heaven then they probably will have other animals too, most likely very well potty trained)
Mount up on horses and fly through the air out of the sky, among the clouds and... Most likely those who do this most excellent Second Coming will have the same weapon that Lord Jesus has

Many of the saints who got there, in heaven, just simply passed on into Glory.
A lot were martyred, and others will be alive when they are transformed…
"
The above are excerpts from Brother Jerry's most excellent exposé. As usual, he presents crucial additions to the discussion.

Here we have the explanation that Jesus has a single legion of His Saints prepared to bring judgment to old earth, to convince the ungodly. This is amazing. And what is this mentioning of the hard speeches made against Jesus? WOW, if that's not further insight of the end times! I'd like to know more about the unique qualifications this legion of specially prepared Saints possess. What an elite group this is!!! I wish I were prepared in such a way.

I would think the "same weapon" would be the Living Word of God, in effect, being one. The miracle where 10,000 + 1 = 1 as in the Father and the Son are one.

Brother Jerry, know that I do appreciate your devotion. With your post, it proves to me that this discussion held far more value than I had imagined. Thank you.

A Brother In Christ · Dec 20, 2009

A Brother In Christ said:
These are the elder in rev 4 .... that earned crowns while on earth during the dispensation of grace that where raptured in 2 thes 2:3-6 est

this army does not participate in the battle because God does all the work and we get to watch and say... " wow! "

2 peter 2:9-11 priests in the heavens and pilgrams of this world

Hismessenger said:
The question is what have you suffered for His sake. I'm not talking about loosing your job or car or house. those things are common to all the world. The things which are considered tribulation for His sake are standing for truth and have the multitude decry you as a heretic because you don't fall in line with the rest of the dead. Confronting false teachings and perversions of the word for selfish gain to which you are persecuted for the truth you bring. It happened to Christ, as one of His, so will it happen to you.

hismessenger

all mature ones suffer while on this world ... this is scriptural

but as heb 11:39-40 and 2 peter 1:4 states we have the best promises and they are not offered to them

garry2 · Dec 21, 2009

Hismessenger said:
I didn't say that He ordered them to kill every man in the camp, only showing that he does order the deaths of some which was in correction to the statement that God never asks us to kill anyone. Did He not tell Saul to destroy everything in the camp of the Amalekites. Far be it from me to say what He can and can't do. Granted they were the enemies of Israel but the first example I gave was done in the Israelite camp because of their willful sin.Is not the church of today guilty of that same willful sin as we celebrate this holiday which is also part of a pagan holiday. Are we any better than those who worshipped the golden calf. A sin is a sin. They sought to offer a feast to the Lord along with their worship of the golden calf. Do we not see ourselves on this holiday as they were? Thank God for His grace and mercy.

hismessenger

No the so called church of today (christianity) is not the church of Christ at all, you must be confused, what is the church? it is all those who truly believe that Christ died so they may be saved.
The majority of churches who claim to be christian have homosexual and lesbian priests.
No, christianity is not the church.

Because they carry on in this manner, they are not the church, even if they say they believe in Jesus sacrifice, they are decived by satan's lies and deception.

The church is a small number in christianity who God has chosen, they don't lie - which is the main thing, they don't falsely accuse, they don't hate people.
They like Christ hate false accusers, He got plenty of that and was still able to ask the Father that they be forgiven.

vinsight4u · Dec 21, 2009

Hismessenger · Dec 21, 2009

Garry2,

For once we agree on something. They are not the church for just as they did with the golden calf, so is todays religions doing also. Anyone who is guilty of this sin today is no different than they were,

Exd 32:4 And he received [them] at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These [be] thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
Exd 32:5 And when Aaron saw [it], he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow [is] a feast to the LORD.

Verse 4 is the same lie which Satan is still using today but many don't understand it and are therefore chaff for the fire.

But now as to this quote

The church is a small number in christianity who God has chosen, they don't lie - which is the main thing, they don't falsely accuse, they don't hate people.
They like Christ hate false accusers, He got plenty of that and was still able to ask the Father that they be forgiven.

You seem to be the only one lodging accusations about what you claim others have lied about and spouting hate doctrine. We are trying to get to the truth. This is not a battle of flesh and blood but spiritual warfare. If you can't take what is being said without it being personal, then maybe you need to look at self because conscience that is of the right understanding cannot be made to doubt. That is why many will be martyred for Christ. Because Satan can't break their love for the Father. But they go through because they know that in the spirit;

Luk 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.

It matters not to them that they are separated from this flesh tomb.

Luk 12:4 ¶ And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
Luk 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

So I say to all reading this post, you'd better be hell fired sure of your belief for once you leave this plane it is too late. The word says that we must suffer for him in order to be included in the heavenly host of eternity. If you are not willing to suffer for His cause, better check yourself for judgment begins in the house/temple/body of the Lord. I would not want to fall into the hands of an angry God.

hismessenger

Zadok7000 · Dec 21, 2009

They are the "dead in Christ".

1Thes. 4
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep; For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first

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