What is a miracle?

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Healing are real, I've seen them though more often than not I am called a liar for speaking of them

I never said healings weren't real. I never said anything of the sort nor did I imply such a thing.

I was asking for an example of someone being healed by the casting out of a demon. What I got in return was basically that it wasn't mentioned in the Bible specifically, therefore it must have happened.

Besides, I never called you a liar, and the quote you responded to wasn't even addressed to you in the first place.
 
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If you class healings as miracles, why are gifts of healings and gift of miracles different?
They are seperate gifts.

I did have it explained that miracles are when a body part is supernaturally replaced with a new body part, healing was when the original is fixed.
 
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If you class healings as miracles, why are gifts of healings and gift of miracles different?
They are seperate gifts.

I did have it explained that miracles are when a body part is supernaturally replaced with a new body part, healing was when the original is fixed.
I was never told that there was such a distinction. Didn't the people who observed Jesus healing the sick call them miracles? Why would we change that in this current age?
 
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I never said healings weren't real. I never said anything of the sort nor did I imply such a thing.

I was asking for an example of someone being healed by the casting out of a demon. What I got in return was basically that it wasn't mentioned in the Bible specifically, therefore it must have happened.

Besides, I never called you a liar, and the quote you responded to wasn't even addressed to you in the first place.
I am sorry Faulty, I know that you did not call me a liar and that was not my implication. I suppose I should have worded my response differently. Did I answer the wrong post as well?
 
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I guess they are all miracles, just pointing out there are differences in the gifts, why else would gift of miracles be a separate gift?
They are all miracles and I think some do have a special gift in the area of miracles.
 
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The sun rising isn't a miracle- that's the natural order that's been set in place. When it stands still in its place, that's a miracle.

Is this not written in the Book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day. 14 And there has been no day like that, before it or after it, that the LORD heeded the voice of a man; for the LORD fought for Israel.
I suppose we could say that and we could judge as humans what is a miracle and what isn't. If we are amazed by all that we see and know of God, then it is all miraculus. Or perhaps we see miracles because we are looking for them and God lets us see them. However, when we explain it to anyone else it would not mean so much.

I think its a personal thing for each of us that God lets us see the miracles we need. Therefore is it right for us to judge what others claim as their miracles?
 
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I suppose we could say that and we could judge as humans what is a miracle and what isn't. If we are amazed by all that we see and know of God, then it is all miraculus. Or perhaps we see miracles because we are looking for them and God lets us see them. However, we explain to anyone else it would not mean so much.

I think its a personal thing for each of us that God lets us see the miracles we need. Therefore it right for us to judge what others claim as their miracles?

Of course we can each have whatever manner of speaking we care to have, and use the word in any manner that pleases us. One can get up and call the sunrise a miracle, and I understand what is meant- the wonder of the natural creation. The English word does have more than one usage, and one of those usages is pretty generic.

If we want to find out what the word means in a biblical context, then we would have to let scripture define it. In that context I maintain that the natural sunrise doesn't qualify, but the incident quoted from the book of Joshua does. So I do think it is right to do so, because as you can see even from the posts in this thread, the meaning and usage is quite varied depending on who's doing the talking. That's not much good when trying to understand scripture. Much of what's being called a miracle isn't accurate from a scriptural standpoint, and that's what I wanted to illustrate in my previous post.
 
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Miracles, they are awesome. When Heaven is manifested on earth. God spoke and it was,...His Son came and modeled for us a life of supernatural or should I dare say what our normal should be. Power of life and death is in the tongue. It's our job to speak the life and will of the Father into this world now that we are Sons and Daughters. All by the blood of Jesus. So when our spiritual reality of authority comes crashing into the physical reality (inferior world compared to the truth of God), God's love and will is manifested. If God is love and Jesus was the physical representation of the Father's love in this earth,...then we are called to live like Jesus lived. On the edge, in authority and in love and to stand confident in a world of conflict knowing who we are and who's will is being manifested and give Him the glory! If I pray for someone and they are raised from the dead,...and then a year later I get wrapped up in bondage and need prayer and encouragement and I fall into sin (I say fall into because the mercy seat is up above it and I can only fall into it by climbing out of the Father's lap), does that discredit the miracle in the person's life? Nope! I would need to be loved and encouraged back to where I should be by the body, not judged for the sin. The love would cause repentance and a renewal of the mind. That's a daily miracle in itself if you ask me. LOL that my mind gets renewed!

Hey our redeemer lives! Remember that guys when your wives are on the rag and they're outta chocolate love em through it and watch both of you be redeemed from a potentially "animated" moment. Another taste and see the Lord is good moment/miracle! ;):amen:
 
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I think I know what you are talking about. You do mean the sort of miracles that happened in the New Testament, aren't you?

I have been in the Charismatic Catholic Renewal for over 40 years. I have seen tons of this sort of miracle. Tons. We expect it. I have seen healings, multiplications, and others.

I will give you just brief explanations of some of these. I would be happy to go into detail of any you choose to ask about.
First will be the miracle of multiplication.
Several years ago, I was serving Communion at Mass. I was serving the Precious Blood of our Lord and the Church was way over filled. There were three other ministers serving the cup. Each of them had a small cup and I had the large Pewter one. Each of them ran out of wine and came over to see what was left in mine. There was about one inch left. I looked into the cup and said, Jesus, there is not enough of your precious Blood to serve everyone here. Immediately the cup was filled to the brim. I served about 200 more people and when I was finished the cup was still full and had to be consumed by the Priest and ministers. This was witnessed by many.
Last year, a lady came to our Prayer Group who was visiting from New Jersey. She was with a friend. She came up and asked for prayer for the gift of tongues. We prayed over her and she received her prayer language. About 6 weeks later, she called me at my home in California and asked if I would pray for her over the phone. The doctor had discovered lumps in her tummy. I did, I prayed for a complete healing for her. A week later she called me back and told me the lumps were gone. Then she said, that although he hadn't mentioned it, she had been stone deaf in one ear from birth. After I prayed for a healing for her, her hearing was instantly restored. She waited to call me until both healings were verified by her doctor.
I had lung cancer. I had tons of prayer including the Annointing of the sick by my parish Priest. He told me after praying over me not to expect any "real" healing. I went on to talk to him about the Church's teaching on this Sacrament and how the Church teaches us we will be healed. This was 6 years ago and I am certainly healed of lung cancer. My Oncologist asked me the day he "fired me" if I knew the reason above medicine that I survived this nearly always fatal desease? He said it was my faith. I love it when healings are documented like this.
 
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Thank the Lord. :clap:

Thank you God! Bless him Lord for being a testimony and may it be repeated in the lives of all who read it! Let your word continue to become flesh in him Lord you're faithful to complete what you started!:clap:
 
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Peaceful Dove, Beautiful testimony!!

I got made real sick a few years ago.. by a dentist.. i am completely healed by now except for minor swollen glands still now and then. I think they are clogged.. with Jesus help.. and lots of prayer everything else is better (and some chelation!) and I feel great.. but if it's not asking too much, could you pray for my swollen glands in the neck.. just very slightly swollen you cannot tell by looking at me but they hurt now and then.. not cancer, just clogged I am pretty sure.. clogged with poisons. It's the one last thing that I cannot get to heal. I need help here maybe.
 
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Peaceful Dove, Beautiful testimony!!

I got made real sick a few years ago.. by a dentist.. i am completely healed by now except for minor swollen glands still now and then. I think they are clogged.. with Jesus help.. and lots of prayer everything else is better (and some chelation!) and I feel great.. but if it's not asking too much, could you pray for my swollen glands in the neck.. just very slightly swollen you cannot tell by looking at me but they hurt now and then.. not cancer, just clogged I am pretty sure.. clogged with poisons. It's the one last thing that I cannot get to heal. I need help here maybe.

Of course.
Heavenly Father, I lift up this child of yours to you. Swollen glands and infection is not of you, Father. Nor does it belong to your children. It is alien to us. We do not claim it nor accept it. In fact, we reject it in the name of your only Son and our Salvation, Jesus. We come to you in the Power of the Holy Spirit and ask for total healing.
We thank you now, Father, before we even see the results because we totally trust in the promises of your Son.
Thank you Father.
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, World without end. Amen
 
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Of course we can each have whatever manner of speaking we care to have, and use the word in any manner that pleases us. One can get up and call the sunrise a miracle, and I understand what is meant- the wonder of the natural creation. The English word does have more than one usage, and one of those usages is pretty generic.

If we want to find out what the word means in a biblical context, then we would have to let scripture define it. In that context I maintain that the natural sunrise doesn't qualify, but the incident quoted from the book of Joshua does. So I do think it is right to do so, because as you can see even from the posts in this thread, the meaning and usage is quite varied depending on who's doing the talking. That's not much good when trying to understand scripture. Much of what's being called a miracle isn't accurate from a scriptural standpoint, and that's what I wanted to illustrate in my previous post.
I suppose so in the Scriptural sense one could become legalistic about what is called a miracle. On the individual level though and remember that is the way God looks at each of us, I don't think we can put miracles in a box so-to-speak.

For each person who perceives a miracle that miracle was from God to him/her and no one can take that miracle away from them. They will remember it for their entire lives regardless of whether it fits the strict definition interpreted from Scripture.
 
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