Obama awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize

praying said:

Well I did find this thanks to AP:

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The only problem is they mention things he did when he was president, he was nominated before he did any of those things.

RealDealNeverstop said:

That's exactly how many bushies defended iraq and afghanistan. It makes absolutely no sense for obama to get a prize on "Peace" while simultaneously escalating War.

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Come on RDN you know how it is, a democratic is in power now. WAR now means PEACE.

TerranceL said:

Of course.

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As do I, and I would bet dollars to donuts as does Obama. But once again we have to be as careful getting out as careless we were getting in.

Do you honestly think there is going to be peace in that region no matter what we do?

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Not really. We need to stay out the nation building business. It just leaves us broke and left trying to get out of those situation with a saved face. To me like it or not the way Afghanistan ran by the Taliban (which we had no problem with prior to justifying the war) was probably the best it was going to get.

JoyJuice said:

Not really. We need to stay out the nation building business. It just leaves us broke and left trying to get out of those situation with a saved face.

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We need more politicans who believe this.

praying said:

Well said!!

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Thank you. The universal truth is that befouling one's own nest does not make oneself look one bit better in comparison; it just makes everyone look even worse than ever.

praying said:

Except for the United States of Americans It's Americans or United States of America but not a combo.

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Oh noes! Not this one again.

Seriously.

Next, I'm trying to refer to the citizens of the United States of America as United Statesians and US-Americans.

Oh, what the heck: I'm just going to call you people yhdysvaltalaiset and be done with it.

praying said:

It would be nice if the Nobel Comittee published criteria for winning the prize.

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JoyJuice said:

Just taking a broad guess, but since the existance of man there probably has never been such a thing as world peace, therefore it is probably bestowed on those people who make an effort or take action to foster an environment towards peace.

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As per Mr. Nobel's will, the Peace Prize is to be dedicated to, quote, "the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."

Apparently, President Obama was awarded the prize mostly on the first two accounts: fraternity and disarmanent: "...for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples" and "...The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons."

In other words, for his vision of AND work for.

The Nobel Peace Prize is not a lifetime achievement kind of award.

Next up: the 2010 Oscars controversy, coming in March.


Kalevalatar

chaz345 said:

How do you engage in dipilomacy with people for whom the only acceptable outcome is your own non-existance?


And surely you aren't suggesting that diplomacy was not tried with Iraq are you?

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Good grief. No. No Diplomacy. None. Why would the Cheney Admin seek a way to not invade iraq when key members had already stated in a manifesto that invading and occupying Iraq was one of their goals? They even went so far to say they wanted to invade whether or not Saddam was the dictator but pointed out it was great public relations if the US invaded while he was still in office. They said this publicly a full year before 9E. Before the flesh could be seared off all of the bodies of the 9E victims Rumsfeld held a meeting in the Pentagon stating strategy needed to be implememted to invade iraq and afghanistan. That was less than six hours before the first plane hit the first tower.

Fast forward one year to October 02'. Rumsfeld has another meeting where he lays out key points of things that could go wrong during the invasion. Item number 13 was the strong possibility WMD would not be found. So many Generals knew this would happen that they actually fought over who would not get assigned the task of finding WMD. By December of 02' the UN inspection team had visited over 230 sites in Iraq looking for WMD. Nothing was found and they straight up said they knew the lack of finding WMD would not hinder an invasion. The UN team found 2 Violations--both had nothing to do with WMD. Sad as it is, the Neocon/Christian Right blocs actually used the lack of WMD evidence to bolster the invasion saying our military is needed to blanket Iraq to find them.


How in the world can anyone say with a straight face we tried diplomacy?

"Good grief. No. No Diplomacy. None."

This is as wrong as wrong can be.

Sorry I'm late to the party; been out with the flu.

Considering that no political conservative ever wins this prize and the fact that Obama can now include himself in the company of Carter, Algore, Arafat and Kim Jong Il, I'd say it was probably appropo. My only concern is that I believe the Committee was sending a powerful message to Obama and basically trying to manipulate him into doing what they think is right; afterall, Obama hasn't really accomplished anything, yet. Clearly they knew they had a kindred spirit in Obama.

Veritas said:

Considering that no political conservative ever wins this prize

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Kissinger

Do I win a prize now?

Obama can now include himself in the company of Carter, Algore, Arafat and Kim Jong Il

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Kim Jong Il has never won the NPP. Kim Dae Jung, of South Korea, however, has.

Gawron said:

"Good grief. No. No Diplomacy. None."

This is as wrong as wrong can be.

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Isn't it funny how bushies defend their views by cherry picking? I'm not surprised because just as 98% of my post was cut out the same exact pattern happens with any other information they don't like.

Kalevalatar said:

Thank you. The universal truth is that befouling one's own nest does not make oneself look one bit better in comparison; it just makes everyone look even worse than ever.



Oh noes! Not this one again.

Seriously.

Next, I'm trying to refer to the citizens of the United States of America as United Statesians and US-Americans.

Oh, what the heck: I'm just going to call you people yhdysvaltalaiset and be done with it.





As per Mr. Nobel's will, the Peace Prize is to be dedicated to, quote, "the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."

Apparently, President Obama was awarded the prize mostly on the first two accounts: fraternity and disarmanent: "...for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples" and "...The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons."

In other words, for his vision of AND work for.

The Nobel Peace Prize is not a lifetime achievement kind of award.

Next up: the 2010 Oscars controversy, coming in March.


Kalevalatar

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"Hours after winning a Nobel Peace Prize, President Barack Obama assembled his war council.

The president and his top national security advisers huddled for three hours in the Situation Room at the White House to talk about how many troops might be needed to right the Afghanistan conflict that military commanders are pressing him to escalate."
Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize, then huddles with war cabinet to send more troops to Afghanistan




"Initiated under the George W. Bush administration, Complex Modernization — referred to by anti-nuclear activists as "the Bomb-plex" — would "transform the plutonium and uranium manufacturing aspects of the complex into smaller and more efficient operations while maintaining the capabilities NNSA needs to perform its national security missions," according to a report by the NNSA in the Federal Register."
Obama asks world to reduce nuclear weapons while U.S. agency pushes new bomb production | Nation | NewJerseyNewsroom.com -- Your State. Your News.

Obushama set aside $55 million for that program.


If Bush had public speaking skills he would be Obama.

Obama has great public speaking skills for sure. I think he won the prize for his campaign that he waged. That was an amazing campaign.

TerranceL said:

Come on RDN you know how it is, a democratic is in power now. WAR now means PEACE.

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Isn't it neat that after one day in January tea parties suddenly started and war protests suddenly stopped? It is like a revolving door of who is complaining about the government. What ever happened to everyone complaining about the government?

Positively Orwellian!

Veritas said:

Sorry I'm late to the party; been out with the flu.

Considering that no political conservative ever wins this prize and the fact that Obama can now include himself in the company of Carter, Algore, Arafat and Kim Jong Il, I'd say it was probably appropo. My only concern is that I believe the Committee was sending a powerful message to Obama and basically trying to manipulate him into doing what they think is right; afterall, Obama hasn't really accomplished anything, yet. Clearly they knew they had a kindred spirit in Obama.

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Impressively high error rate for such a short paragraph, you have outdone yourself Veritas.

But just to add to the list of people who would have been suprised that they weren't Conservatives:

F W de Klerk
Menachim Begin
David Trimble
&
Mother Theresa

Perhaps these people just aren't Conservative compared to you, but then people who weren't Conservative comapred to you would probably include Ghengis Khan and Vlad the Impaler

phenry said:

Positively Orwellian!

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Really? In what way is this Orwellian?

RealDealNeverstop said:

"Hours after winning a Nobel Peace Prize, President Barack Obama assembled his war council.

The president and his top national security advisers huddled for three hours in the Situation Room at the White House to talk about how many troops might be needed to right the Afghanistan conflict that military commanders are pressing him to escalate."
Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize, then huddles with war cabinet to send more troops to Afghanistan

"Initiated under the George W. Bush administration, Complex Modernization — referred to by anti-nuclear activists as "the Bomb-plex" — would "transform the plutonium and uranium manufacturing aspects of the complex into smaller and more efficient operations while maintaining the capabilities NNSA needs to perform its national security missions," according to a report by the NNSA in the Federal Register."
Obama asks world to reduce nuclear weapons while U.S. agency pushes new bomb production | Nation | NewJerseyNewsroom.com -- Your State. Your News.

Obushama set aside $55 million for that program.


If Bush had public speaking skills he would be Obama.

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I think it's tragic if President Obama chooses the more ammos & bombs route. Don't expect me to defend him. You know me. As far as I am concerned, there is no difference between the US Democrats and US Republicans when it comes to foreign policy. And I dislike the nepotism shown to the killing machine business buddies that runs foreign policies.

I just think the guessing game as to why did President Obama win is an empty exercise, when Thorbjörn Jagland of the Committee said it clear enough: Obama gave the world back one vital commodity: hope. And now's the time to recognize what Obama brought to the table, because in 2013 it may already be too late.

Last year when career peacemaker & conflict resolver Martti Ahtisaari won the Nobel Peace Prize, the reaction was the same old same old: why did this guy win? What did he ever do for peace? And Mr. Ahtisaari is a man who has not started one single war but instead has devoted thirty years of his life finding solutions to wars and conflicts started by those who worship gun power!

I guess you could say that I have not lost my confidence in the prize itself and the Committee that hands it out; it's all these armchair commentator know-nothings that make my eyes roll.

Then again, the yearly waves it causes, the Nobel Peace Prize obviously still means something to a lot of people, or they wouldn't bother, which I guess is a positive thing.

Although the committee has fairly strong reasoning, I think this was a political statement. Essentially, if anybody BUT Bush had been the last president, I doubt Obama would have gotten this. Compared to Bush, even Castro or Stalin might seem worthy

TwWhittaker said:

Although the committee has fairly strong reasoning, I think this was a political statement. Essentially, if anybody BUT Bush had been the last president, I doubt Obama would have gotten this. Compared to Bush, even Castro or Stalin might seem worthy

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Sorry, but where I stand, Stalin is guilty of the exact same thing than Bush Jr. He bombed and invaded a sovereign country, and wrecked the lives of people who had done nothing to him or his country, all in the name of the "national security" nonsense, "pre-emptively", mind you. Stalin's casus belli, too, was just as much bogus as Bush's "WMDs."

Stalin was nominated twice for the Nobel Peace Prize. The good Swedes/Norwegians obviously did not see him worthy of the prize, however.

Kalevalatar said:

I think it's tragic if President Obama chooses the more ammos & bombs route. Don't expect me to defend him. You know me. As far as I am concerned, there is no difference between the US Democrats and US Republicans when it comes to foreign policy. And I dislike the nepotism shown to the killing machine business buddies that runs foreign policies.

I just think the guessing game as to why did President Obama win is an empty exercise, when Thorbjörn Jagland of the Committee said it clear enough: Obama gave the world back one vital commodity: hope. And now's the time to recognize what Obama brought to the table, because in 2013 it may already be too late.

Last year when career peacemaker & conflict resolver Martti Ahtisaari won the Nobel Peace Prize, the reaction was the same old same old: why did this guy win? What did he ever do for peace? And Mr. Ahtisaari is a man who has not started one single war but instead has devoted thirty years of his life finding solutions to wars and conflicts started by those who worship gun power!

I guess you could say that I have not lost my confidence in the prize itself and the Committee that hands it out; it's all these armchair commentator know-nothings that make my eyes roll.

Then again, the yearly waves it causes, the Nobel Peace Prize obviously still means something to a lot of people, or they wouldn't bother, which I guess is a positive thing.

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It's not an "if." He's already sent over 20,000 more troops since he took office. The latest brief is to see how many more will be deployed. Imao, it is simply and absolutely insane to give the NPP to someone who has escalated War.

The Committee said Obushama brought back "Hope." For whom? Halliburton? KBR? Blackwater?