The Mark

gracechick · Sep 24, 2009

This has often been discussed much, but who believes the the RFID chip is a mark or the mark? Could the mark be applied to a bracelet or is it an actual type of of number tattoo? In light of governments seeming to want to bracelet or chip I wondered about the various thoughts and opinions of those that frequent this forum.

Brad2009 · Sep 24, 2009

RFID or a bar code tatoo seem extremely likely to me.

Zadok7000 · Sep 24, 2009

gracechick said:
This has often been discussed much, but who believes the the RFID chip is a mark or the mark? Could the mark be applied to a bracelet or is it an actual type of of number tattoo? In light of governments seeming to want to bracelet or chip I wondered about the various thoughts and opinions of those that frequent this forum.

None of those things. The Mark of the Beast is the opposite of the Seal of God. Both are IN YOUR FOREHEAD. IE in your mind, what you believe. Deceived or not. Satan is not stupid enough to physically mark anyone.

zeke37 · Sep 24, 2009

the mark of God is seen in Ex 13, Deut 6 and 11

same imagery....

it has to do with keeping the first commandment basically

the mark of the beast is about breaking that first commandment.

LiturgyInDMinor · Sep 24, 2009

Zadok7000 said:
None of those things. The Mark of the Beast is the opposite of the Seal of God. Both are IN YOUR FOREHEAD. IE in your mind, what you believe. Deceived or not. Satan is not stupid enough to physically mark anyone.

get it right · Sep 24, 2009

Brad2009 said:
RFID or a bar code tatoo seem extremely likely to me.

that's the one, can't buy or sell unless scaned at the checkout.

kotel · Sep 24, 2009

The mark is a literal engraving applied to the surface of your skin. Greek for “mark” is charagma - a mark, stamp or graven object, it will be applied to the right hand or forehead of those who submit to the Antichrist. God’s wrath is threatened to all who bear the mark of the beast.

This mark is taken by people in recognition of the Antichrist and homage to the image that is set up in the Judaic temple by the Pope who is the second beast (Rev 13:11). The mark associates those who take the mark with the Antichrist and directly links them to the image and its electronic system of buying and selling. The mark is not of the Antichrist, a person, it is of the image which is a thing.

The translators of all your Bible versions failed to recognize there is a transition from what the second beast does to what the image does in Rev 13:15. The second beast sets up the image of the first beast and gives it power to breath so that the image could speak and cause everyone to receive its mark.

Rev 13:15 NIV
He (second beast, human) was given power to give breath to the image (thing) of the first beast (Antichrist), so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.

The antecedent of “it could speak” is the image and not the second beast or the Antichrist. Verse 16 should begin with the impersonal pronoun “it” as in the KJB.

The mark is not the name of the Antichrist (17), it is the name of the image. Both the mark and the image have the same name, what ever that is.

The fall of Babylon begins “the hour of his judgment” (Rev 14:7-8), the same period of time as the “hour of trial” that the church is kept out of (3:10). The hour of his judgment or hour of trial is the “great tribulation” of 3.5 years (7:14). The mark will be implemented right after the fall of Babylon (14:9).

Ajax 777 · Sep 24, 2009

"Satan isn't stupid enough to physically mark anyone?"

Coupla things here...one being that the word of God doesn't require Satan's
cooperation to come to pass. God said it will happen, it will happen. Period.

Second of all, and much more compelling: how can whatever beliefs are in one's mind
be scanned at the checkout counter of grocery stores? How do you suggest
they would impose the "no buying or selling" part of the mark of the beast then?
Ask them at the cash register whom they serve? What they believe?

That's staggeringly more stupid than the idea of a physical mark.
Obviously, the people who take any physical mark will be doing so
as an outward reflection of what is already in their hearts.

When the mark of the beast comes, it's not going to be packaged as such.
It will seem harmless and innocuous enough, and far more likely only those
with the wisdom, discernment, and vigilance through having their hearts
renewed by spiritual rebirth in Christ are going to have the will and desire to resist it.

Yes, it will happen just like God has said it would, and yes, it will catch those
who are not prepared for it off-guard.

And yes, the penalty will be the same. If you take that mark, you will be damned. Period.

Ephesian · Sep 24, 2009

Zadok7000 said:
None of those things. The Mark of the Beast is the opposite of the Seal of God. Both are IN YOUR FOREHEAD. IE in your mind, what you believe. Deceived or not. Satan is not stupid enough to physically mark anyone.

How does "what you believe" keep you from buying or selling? Electronic money, on the other hand, could easily cut off a person making it difficult to exist.

B1inHim · Sep 24, 2009

Zadok7000 said:
None of those things. The Mark of the Beast is the opposite of the Seal of God. Both are IN YOUR FOREHEAD. IE in your mind, what you believe. Deceived or not. Satan is not stupid enough to physically mark anyone.

So once I begin to believe in Satan I can buy and sell things in the market... not...

The mark will be used once the dust clears from the consequences of the 6th seal has done what it is designed for...
This is how everyone who is left behind will be accounted for...they will do so because the banks will not be offering cash for any exchange, this will eliminate forgery and theft in all areas where the use of finances are utilized.

IT will be the first NWO demand for International Peace and Economical Security... and all the kings men and all the kings horses could not put Humpty Dumpty back together again...

It will be a chip as already seen

Chip Implants for Humans Already Here and in Use

... the ones that are criminals will have it in their foreheads so that the comcams (computer cameras that are already out and about as well as the new ones) can monitor the where a bouts of criminals without the police having to patrol the streets all the time like they are now, the ones who are not criminals will have the luxury of having it in their right hand...Rev. 13:16 (KJV)
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Under the skin

LiturgyInDMinor · Sep 24, 2009

I love christian conspiracy theory...it makes me smile.

hiscosmicgoldfish · Sep 24, 2009

gracechick said:
This has often been discussed much, but who believes the the RFID chip is a mark or the mark? Could the mark be applied to a bracelet or is it an actual type of of number tattoo? In light of governments seeming to want to bracelet or chip I wondered about the various thoughts and opinions of those that frequent this forum.

the mark of the beast is a microchip implant. it is linked very closely to finance, so there is no need to worry, until they destroy cash, and establish a global money system that is electronic.
I wouldn't take a microchip implant, i would die first, seriously, if it is not the mark of the beast itself, it is way to close for comfort.

LiturgyInDMinor · Sep 24, 2009

Where in scripture does it say the Mark=microchip implant? (to those who believe this literally)

B1inHim · Sep 24, 2009

NRB said:
Where in scripture does it say the Mark=microchip implant? (to those who believe this literally)

Mark = charagma, khar'-ag-mah; from the same as Greek 5482 (charax); a scratch or etching, i.e. stamp (as a badge of servitude), or sculptured figure (statue) :- graven, mark.
charax, khar'-ax; from charasso (to sharpen to a point; akin to Greek 1125 (grapho) through the idea of scratching); a stake
grapho, graf'-o; a primary verb; to grave, especially to write; figurative to describe :- describe, write (-ing, -ten).

Obviously the technology was not available to generate a mark that could be used to monitor the planets financial transactions until recently so all of your seemingly antagonistic comments are completely out of order and are simply a chiding towards those who accept the realities of the technology of today verses those who will not accept the realities of the world that we live in today

[FONT=&quot]This type of behavior has its pitfalls and in view of the fact that most all who are here are attempting to decipher a subject that has only significance to those who will have to stand against the problem when it comes, your remarks can cause dissention instead of exhortation, admonishment or comfort[/FONT]

zeke37 · Sep 25, 2009

Ajax 777 said:
"Satan isn't stupid enough to physically mark anyone?"

Coupla things here...one being that the word of God doesn't require Satan's
cooperation to come to pass. God said it will happen, it will happen. Period.

correct, but Satan is still smart enough not to physically mark anyone with a tech chip...
wiser than Daniel, and that's saying a lot...

Second of all, and much more compelling: how can whatever beliefs are in one's mind
be scanned at the checkout counter of grocery stores? How do you suggest
they would impose the "no buying or selling" part of the mark of the beast then?
Ask them at the cash register whom they serve? What they believe?

the way I understand it is that there will be a world union...
a NWO that will incorporate most all nations, if not all...

Satan will eventually lead this NWO,
when he is cast to earth for a short season......
pretending to be Christ returned...
to fool/beguile/seduce the Christians

this NWO which will eventually be lead by Satan defacto,
will be the only monetary system in the world...

if you were to use the currency of this soon coming NWO,
then you would be living in Satan's system.

and the only way a Christian would do that,
is if he/she was deceived by Satan's lies.

so, while a chip could be incorporated as part of that monetary system,
it in itself is not the mark...

buying and selling in Satan's system, with the NWO currency
is actually showing that you are in his system..

thinking he is Jesus and worshiping him as such...
is having Satan as God in your mind instead of YHVH/Jesus.

That's staggeringly more stupid than the idea of a physical mark.
Obviously, the people who take any physical mark will be doing so
as an outward reflection of what is already in their hearts.

so, why the need for a physical chip then? God's mark is not a chip of technology...niether is Satan's

Tho shalt not have any god before Me

Ex13, Deut6/11

Satan comes to earth,
pretending to be Jesus,

and to Christians, Jesus is God right?

so when the Christians are deceived/beguiled/turned from virgins in waiting-to harlots for Satan, they will take the mark.

When the mark of the beast comes, it's not going to be packaged as such.

any one who has the mark will not even know it till the cusp of Christ's return

It will seem harmless and innocuous enough, and far more likely only those
with the wisdom, discernment, and vigilance through having their hearts
renewed by spiritual rebirth in Christ are going to have the will and desire to resist it.

well, Christ teaches in Rev7 that the elect, who are sealed of God,
with the SEALS of information,
are sealed before the 4 winds blow the tribulation.

Yes, it will happen just like God has said it would, and yes, it will catch those
who are not prepared for it off-guard.

sure will, but Zadok never said anything to the contrary.

And yes, the penalty will be the same. If you take that mark, you will be damned. Period.

Click to expand...

not damned to the Lake of Fire, but students int he Millennium, under the elect..

Ez40-48 is Millennial, and chapter44 seems to indicate just that, as does Rev20

Ephesian said:
How does "what you believe" keep you from buying or selling? Electronic money, on the other hand, could easily cut off a person making it difficult to exist.

again, if there is only one currency in the world, and the ruler of that currency is Satan,
then you'd have to be in his system to buy or sell...

it just does not require a tech chip.

that's the mark in the hand...power/strength/work....

and

if you THINK (between your eyes / in your forhead),
that Satan is Jesus returned, and you are a good Christian
then you'd worship him (thinking he is Jesus) as a good Christian should,
which would mean that you'd be taking the mark in the forehead...

B1inHim said:
So once I begin to believe in Satan I can buy and sell things in the market... not...

lol, your funny

The mark will be used once the dust clears from the consequences of the 6th seal has done what it is designed for...

you said yourself, that you do not study those parts of Revelation,
PAST CHAPTER 6...
'cause you'll be gone (according to you)

This is how everyone who is left behind will be accounted for...they will do so because the banks will not be offering cash for any exchange, this will eliminate forgery and theft in all areas where the use of finances are utilized.

na, there will be a world economic collaps and a new world currency issued.

IT will be the first NWO demand for International Peace and Economical Security... and all the kings men and all the kings horses could not put Humpty Dumpty back together again...

It will be a chip as already seen

Chip Implants for Humans Already Here and in Use

no kidding, and that is not the mark of the beast...it is not now, nor will it be in the future...

the New currency might involve a chip, but it doesn't have to...
and God's mark/sign is not a chip,
and Satan's mark is explained in the same terms as God's mark is
same imagery

between the eyes/forhead and on the hand..

... the ones that are criminals will have it in their foreheads so that the comcams (computer cameras that are already out and about as well as the new ones) can monitor the where a bouts of criminals without the police having to patrol the streets all the time like they are now, the ones who are not criminals will have the luxury of having it in their right hand...Rev. 13:16 (KJV)

lol

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Under the skin

read Ez13, Deut6/11..see what you think...
Keep the Commandments and you have the mark/sign of God...

break those (5) Commandments (dealing with God) and you have the mark of the ebast.

Satan is coming to earth, play acting Christ returned..

anyone that falls for this desception, is marked.

hiscosmicgoldfish said:
the mark of the beast is a microchip implant. it is linked very closely to finance, so there is no need to worry, until they destroy cash, and establish a global money system that is electronic.
I wouldn't take a microchip implant, i would die first, seriously, if it is not the mark of the beast itself, it is way to close for comfort.

I agree that the implant could be used as part of the NWO currency,
but it in itself is not the mark of the beast...
again Ex13, Deut 6/11 uses the same imagery for God's sign/mark...

I would not take the chip either just so you know.

NRB said:
Where in scripture does it say the Mark=microchip implant? (to those who believe this literally)

It does not,
but It does say the exact same imagery in Deut6 and 11 and Ex13.
We really should learn from that same imagery.

hiscosmicgoldfish · Sep 25, 2009

B1inHim said:
Mark = charagma,khar'-ag-mah; from the same as Greek 5482 (charax); a scratch or etching, i.e. stamp (as a badge of servitude), or sculptured figure (statue) :- graven, mark.
charax,khar'-ax; from charasso (to sharpen to a point; akin to Greek 1125 (grapho) through the idea of scratching); a stake
grapho,graf'-o; a primary verb; to grave, especially to write; figurative to describe :- describe, write (-ing, -ten).

Obviously the technology was not available to generate a mark that could be used to monitor the planets financial transactions until recently so all of your seemingly antagonistic comments are completely out of order and are simply a chiding towards those who accept the realities of the technology of today verses those who will not accept the realities of the world that we live in today

[FONT=&quot]This type of behavior has its pitfalls and in view of the fact that most all who are here are attempting to decipher a subject that has only significance to those who will have to stand against the problem when it comes, your remarks can cause dissention instead of exhortation, admonishment or comfort[/FONT]

you said it for me.. i cant be bothered any more, it's just a case of fiddling when Rome burns..

play that fiddle Nero boy, play that fiddle!

EnemyPartyII · Sep 25, 2009

gracechick said:
This has often been discussed much, but who believes the the RFID chip is a mark or the mark? Could the mark be applied to a bracelet or is it an actual type of of number tattoo? In light of governments seeming to want to bracelet or chip I wondered about the various thoughts and opinions of those that frequent this forum.

What governments seem to want to bracelet or chip anyone? Actual government information please, not "I overheard a guy who totally has a friend who knew someone who said the government is secretly gunna make everyone get micro chipped"

Ajax 777 · Sep 25, 2009

EnemyPartyII said:
What governments seem to want to bracelet or chip anyone? Actual government information please, not "I overheard a guy who totally has a friend who knew someone who said the government is secretly gunna make everyone get micro chipped"

Right...

Peace and safety, huh Enemy Party?

EnemyPartyII · Sep 25, 2009

Ajax 777 said:
Right...

Peace and safety, huh Enemy Party?

Huh? Snide remarks aside... anyone got ACTUAL examples of anyone wanting to make people take RFID chips?

Zadok7000 · Sep 25, 2009

NRB said:
I love christian conspiracy theory...it makes me smile.

It would make me smile too, if it weren't so sad. God wants us to keep our credibility.

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