Leviticus 15

chunkofcoal · Sep 11, 2009

In Leviticus 15 there is a lot about people who have "issues" and I have a question. Are people who have "issues" like these not allowed to enter a Messianic (or Jewish) synagogue?

anisavta · Sep 11, 2009

List for us what you consider "issues" please.

Talmidah · Sep 11, 2009

anisavta said:
List for us what you consider "issues" please.

Since the title of Chunkofcoal's thread is "Leviticus 15" and Lev. 15 is all about bodily discharges (aka 'issues'), I'd guess those are what she's asking about.

Hadassah · Sep 12, 2009

That would fall under family purity laws, if people are observing them..

Personally, I know some who do, and some who don't. It's not my place to ask what someone's status is. That's something very private between them, their spouse and G-d..

Heber · Sep 12, 2009

A little sidetrack but the OP makes me wonder where the African athlete with the dual-gender would sit in a synagogue?

ContraMundum · Sep 12, 2009

Heber said:
A little sidetrack but the OP makes me wonder where the African athlete with the dual-gender would sit in a synagogue?

Depends on how one interprets Dt 23:1

Heber · Sep 12, 2009

But that doesn't apply, apparently, the necessary sexual organs are intact - the male organs being inside the body.

chunkofcoal · Sep 12, 2009

Talmidah said:
Since the title of Chunkofcoal's thread is "Leviticus 15" and Lev. 15 is all about bodily discharges (aka 'issues'), I'd guess those are what she's asking about.

Yes, I was wondering about bodily discharges.

I know some of the things fall in the category of family purity laws, but what about someone with a skin disease?

JudaicChristian · Sep 12, 2009

Heber said:
A little sidetrack but the OP makes me wonder where the African athlete with the dual-gender would sit in a synagogue?

According to scripture a person is a woman if they have an extra rib. He does not have an extra rib, and his testicles are up inside him.

JudaicChristian · Sep 12, 2009

chunkofcoal said:
Yes, I was wondering about bodily discharges.

I know some of the things fall in the category of family purity laws, but what about someone with a skin disease?

Is this a question about skin diseases or a woman monthly cycle?

ContraMundum · Sep 13, 2009

Heber said:
But that doesn't apply, apparently, the necessary sexual organs are intact - the male organs being inside the body.

Actually, it might apply- depending on your interpretation- for example, it could be argued that the organs are damaged (to the point of not functioning properly) and then it would apply.

(It's funny that I always wondered whether this verse was contradictory anyway- a maimed male unmentionable is what makes one part of the nation...and yet....this says it keeps you out of the congregation. Not to worry though- common sense dissolves this problem obviously. I think it's about eunichs and other rarities)

Heber · Sep 13, 2009

Yea, I've often wondered how they checked 'membership', and so the right to be there, in the Temple!

ContraMundum · Sep 13, 2009

Heber said:
Yea, I've often wondered how they checked 'membership', and so the right to be there, in the Temple!

Is that a pun? Heber! LOL

kiwimac · Sep 13, 2009

JudaicChristian said:
According to scripture a person is a woman if they have an extra rib. He does not have an extra rib, and his testicles are up inside him.

You are aware that men and women have exactly the same number of Ribs aren't you? Just asking.

Heber · Sep 14, 2009

ContraMundum said:
Is that a pun? Heber! LOL

Only partly tongue in cheek - the obvious way to check if a man is a Jew is to ................ did they ever do that? How did they know that only Jews were there?

chunkofcoal · Sep 14, 2009

Never mind.

SGM4HIM · Sep 14, 2009

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That would fall under family purity laws, if people are observing them..
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I read Leviticus 15 and verse 32 ended with " ceremonially unclean" This would seem to be a different term and not referring to obvious health considerations.

In Leviticus 12 a women is unclean longer after giving birth to a girl than for a boy.

Also in John 18:28 Then the Jews led Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness the Jews did not enter the palace; they wanted to be able to eat the Passover.

It would seem to me that lack of temple and Levitical priesthood would effect implementation of these ceremonial laws at the present time.

There does not appear much commentary on these subjects on the internet from many Jewish sources, which is surprising.

Does anyone have any info on this topic from the Talmud or other sources?

Tishri1 · Sep 16, 2009

chunkofcoal said:
Never mind.

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visionary · Sep 16, 2009

The man's sternum sticks out further like it is missing a set of ribs...

Hadassah · Sep 16, 2009

SGM4HIM said:
I read Leviticus 15 and verse 32 ended with " ceremonially unclean" This would seem to be a different term and not referring to obvious health considerations.

In Leviticus 12 a women is unclean longer after giving birth to a girl than for a boy.

Also in John 18:28 Then the Jews led Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness the Jews did not enter the palace; they wanted to be able to eat the Passover.

It would seem to me that lack of temple and Levitical priesthood would effect implementation of these ceremonial laws at the present time.

There does not appear much commentary on these subjects on the internet from many Jewish sources, which is surprising.

Does anyone have any info on this topic from the Talmud or other sources?

I find it interesting that your version interjects "Ceremonial/ceremonially" -- where it simply states "Unclean" in the text.

There is *much* commentary on the subject on the internet, in Rabbinical writings... one just needs to know where to look and how.

Tamei/Tame and Tahor are the terms (clean and unclean) one would look for, as well as variant spellings of Vayikra (Leviticus) 15.

Family purity would be another way to research the issue.

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