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Guilt trip extraordinaire (might spike you, please be careful)

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I came in here to share what I'd guess a lot of you must also suffer from-- extreme chronic guilt trips.

The more I like or am interested in something, the more guilt attacks I have to endure. If I like it, it's wrong. If it's the worst thing I can imagine, then it's what I should have in my life--unless of course I start to like or want it, then it becomes wrong. My conscience sometimes "rolls over." It leads me to something I don't want to do, then when I start liking the thing my conscience attacks and denounces.


For example, I recently moved out of my mother's very rural and isolated home at the age of 23. I was miserable and lonely there. I now rent a room from a Christian family in a busy city and I've never been happier.
Because I love it so much, my conscience has been going nuts.

Here are some of my recent "immoral" behaviors as told me by my conscience:


--I drive 8 minutes to church. There are a few churches that are probably more like 3-5 minutes away. The cumulative extra gas usage adds up over time. I am destroying the environment.
--The church itself is immoral. No reason has been given. I guess it's just because I like it. The family I rent with attends there and they've introduced me around. I've checked it out and have found no real reasons for concern.
--There are "too many churches" in the "overserved" area.
--I have a high-speed Internet connection. I am so selfish and evil. I should be doing a mission in a rural foreign country where there is no electricity.
--Another girl was considered to rent the room, but apparently I got to these people first. Therefore I "cheated" that girl.

I am obsessed with missions and feel I am the scum of the earth for living in privileged America. Missions can be evil too if there's any part of it that you could enjoy. What if I went on a mission where I had Internet access? Yet missions is also my biggest fear and sometimes I feel sick to think of it.

I try to rationalize and say it's okay to live here because I'm in some debt and need to pay that off. But then it's more of, "You're a horrible person. Why aren't you in the Phillippines feeding starving children?"

Two big heartbreakers for me are the paranoid thought that God will snatch away from me 1) my own family (who I'm not living far from--which is also immoral) and 2) I've grown to really like this family I rent with. It'd be really agonizing to leave them.

I know I should live in the now and enjoy any time I have with either family, but I can't even enjoy them because my mind only lives within the realm of "you're going to be dragged away from them all."

Well, that is long. Just wanted to share.
 
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I have had a similar thing as well. Instead of missions, mine was that I had to witness to people. If I seen someone at the gas station I had to stop and go witness to them , or else I wasn’t a Christian. I used to think that if I did anything that I enjoyed then I must not do it cause it was probably worldly and I should be loving God more.

But I have learned something. God told adam and eve they could eat any fruit from the garden except from the tree. God gave them freedom to eat what they want with a moral perimeter. Just the same way, as long as it doesn’t break the moral law, and isn’t sin, you can do it and enjoy it, as long as you don’t worship it.

And its ok to live in America, take the blessing and praise the Lord for it. Use it to your advantage to serve Him freely. I will be praying for you.

Joe G
 
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I can really identify with this ( i know some of you have read my posts before and are likely tired of me). I lost my beloved husband three years ago, and I still cannot get over the obsession that God took him because I did not get rid of my large collection of fashion magazines. I had the thought that he would be healed if I got rid of all my "idols" and I did not so now I must live with the consequences. My therapist keeps hammering that this is not the way God's plan unfolds and, if He does choose to heal someone, it is by means of Grace, not anything we do or do not do. He further told me that I was indulging in magical thinking in an attempt to control the uncontrollable. At times the guilt is so unbearable, i.e. that I put silly fashion magazines above my husband, <staff edit>. I've always enjoyed fashion from the time I was a young teenager, but when I became a Christian, I was told that fashion magazines were wrong for Christians. I'm pretty sure this is legalism but, with OCD, there is always that element of uncertainty and doubt.

Your post did not spike me, but a comment by Joe did when he referred to idols as that has been my fear -- what if I was making an idol out of magazines because I somehow could not get rid of them. My Christian therapist actually told me NOt to throw them out -- sort of an exposure exercise.

Anyway, I better go before I start rambling too much. Take care, and thank you for posting.

fashionista1
 
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I have had a similar thing as well. Instead of missions, mine was that I had to witness to people. If I seen someone at the gas station I had to stop and go witness to them , or else I wasn’t a Christian. I used to think that if I did anything that I enjoyed then I must not do it cause it was probably worldly and I should be loving God more.

But I have learned something. God told adam and eve they could eat any fruit from the garden except from the tree. God gave them freedom to eat what they want with a moral perimeter. Just the same way, as long as it doesn’t break the moral law, and isn’t sin, you can do it and enjoy it, as long as you don’t worship it.

And its ok to live in America, take the blessing and praise the Lord for it. Use it to your advantage to serve Him freely. I will be praying for you.

Joe G

Exactly! Do you think we glorify God by being worried and trying to be 'slaves' for Him? He created us to enjoy the life He provided. He doesn't want us to break His will because it's for our best, so we have to learn to trust Him!
 
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Hi! I haven't posted here in a long time, but thought I'd pop in briefly today!:wave:

Just wanted to reiterate that I have also experienced some of the things, if not MOST of the things you've mentioned in this thread.

I think you guys have some self-understanding and are on the right track. I think, as Christians, we realize that witnessing and missions etc are important, but our OCD does tend to take something that's good and right to an extreme level.

Drury girl, I think from your post that deep down you know that the kinds of things you posted about are indeed likely, OCD, but you just have a little bit of fear that "well, what if it isn't this time?" I know that feeling, been there, done that, got the coffee mug and the t-shirt as they say!:doh: I do understand it's like the OCD does seem to get involved it we enjoy something. It's almost like our OCD-driven minds just start "scanning" for any possible reason if could be wrong no matter how remote or extreme.

I don't have any great piece of wisdom to offer except just to say that for me, at least, when I became aware that a lot of the things I struggled with were in fact, OCD-driven, it helped me a lot just realizing that. (Kind of a case of knowing the truth and the truth setting you free.)
 
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Hi DruryGirl...like KayKay I haven't posted here in a while but just popped by tonight and saw your thread...OH HOW I WISH I COULD NOT RELATE! I understand all too well the guilt and how it makes you go round and round and round in your head and the hideous things it does to your emotions. Only yesterday I was really pleased cos I'd offered to do some volunteer telephone work and it was taken up on. It'll be great experience for the training I'm doing and I can fit it in around my son. I was actaully feeling a little excited and then "Wham!" I realised I hadn't prayed about it. There entered the anxiety. I then went on to worry that I was compromising the wellfare of my husband and son, that I was wrong to do it and the excitement kinda got squished by the horrible feelings. I guess what I'm trying to say is that yes I do understand and I truly feel for you. I'm afraid I don't have an answer but kinda like KayKay has said it does help when we can learn to recognise OCD's fingerprints...I've yet to learn this well enough for it to really help. I also find that when other's have similar experiences it helps me feel less alone - though I'd rather for their sakes they didn't!

Hope you get some peace and relief soon...take care, Rachel

PS It's lovely to see you here KayKay!!
 
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I came in here to share what I'd guess a lot of you must also suffer from-- extreme chronic guilt trips.

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
God does not want you suffering unrelenting guilt.
He died for our sins.
The blood of Jesus cleanses us from all unrighteousness.

The more I like or am interested in something, the more guilt attacks I have to endure. If I like it, it's wrong. If it's the worst thing I can imagine, then it's what I should have in my life--unless of course I start to like or want it, then it becomes wrong. My conscience sometimes "rolls over." It leads me to something I don't want to do, then when I start liking the thing my conscience attacks and denounces.

Galations 3

2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?




For example, I recently moved out of my mother's very rural and isolated home at the age of 23. I was miserable and lonely there. I now rent a room from a Christian family in a busy city and I've never been happier.
Because I love it so much, my conscience has been going nuts.

Jesus came to give us peace and rest and joy and love,and to heal the broken hearted and set at liberty those who are bruised.Jesus leads us beside still waters and restores our souls.
Based on this we see that Jesus wants us to have restored souls,peace and rest and joy.So being happy,joyful,peaceful and at rest ,and healed is Jesus desire for us.He does not want us at troubled waters but still waters,he does not want us to be sad but rather wants our joy to be full.He does not want us full of guilt,He laid down His life so we could be washed clean and be free from guilt.Jesus is the wonderful Counsellor.
Jesus is annointed to heal broken hearts and set at liberty those who are bruised.
So peace,joy ,love,rest,healing,still waters and restored souls is Jesus desire for us.

Here are some of my recent "immoral" behaviors as told me by my conscience:


--I drive 8 minutes to church. There are a few churches that are probably more like 3-5 minutes away. The cumulative extra gas usage adds up over time. I am destroying the environment.

Driving further to church is not destroying the enviroment.Especially one person and we cannot stop anyone else from doing it.If you enjoy going to that church go ahead and enjoy it.

--The church itself is immoral. No reason has been given. I guess it's just because I like it. The family I rent with attends there and they've introduced me around. I've checked it out and have found no real reasons for concern.
--There are "too many churches" in the "overserved" area.

Even if there are,nothing we can do .But I cannot really agree.
Actually there are too many clubs and bars.
We can only pray God heal our land.


--I have a high-speed Internet connection. I am so selfish and evil. I should be doing a mission in a rural foreign country where there is no electricity.

The developed nations have many many people who are sick and wounded and broken hearted and poor and need ministering to.So I do not think we have to go to an undeveloped country.Electricity is a great blessing to enjoy.

--Another girl was considered to rent the room, but apparently I got to these people first. Therefore I "cheated" that girl.

No one cheated anyone.
If she got there first and got the room would she have been cheating you?

I am obsessed with missions and feel I am the scum of the earth for living in privileged America. Missions can be evil too if there's any part of it that you could enjoy. What if I went on a mission where I had Internet access? Yet missions is also my biggest fear and sometimes I feel sick to think of it.

Jesus wants us to have joy and peace .The internet and electricity and phones etc are good things.Only if people use them for evil is it wrong.Anything even our hands can be used for good or evil,so we make a choice to use things for good.A person does not have to travel to a different country to minister to the sick wounded or poor.

I try to rationalize and say it's okay to live here because I'm in some debt and need to pay that off. But then it's more of, "You're a horrible person. Why aren't you in the Phillippines feeding starving children?"

Two big heartbreakers for me are the paranoid thought that God will snatch away from me 1) my own family (who I'm not living far from--which is also immoral) and 2) I've grown to really like this family I rent with. It'd be really agonizing to leave them.

Jesus wants to give us a hope and a future.God says His thoughts are to do us good and not to harm us.Plans to give us an expected end.He wants us to taste and see that He is good.Jesus is merciful and compassionate and gracious and forgiving and healing and our Rock and our Refuge and our Fortress.

Hebrews 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

1 Peter 5:7
Casting ALL your care upon him; for he careth for you.

I know I should live in the now and enjoy any time I have with either family, but I can't even enjoy them because my mind only lives within the realm of "you're going to be dragged away from them all."

Well, that is long. Just wanted to share.

OCD had me thinking I was the most evil person,that God had left me etc.
But it is just ocd,not truth.Ocd can be very hard to live with and cause much suffering.I am sorry you are going through this and I hope this can help you a little bit.You have been given lots of excellent and caring support and love here.CF has so many loving people who understand.
Also not sure if you have a counsellor or are seeing a doctor for help with this.But it may be something to consider getting treatment.
blessings
 
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